Dimitrij Ovtcharov Uses Pre-Made Bat vs TableTennisDaily's Dan!

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Well that premade IS Butterfly...

very likely not made by butterfly

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I don't think Dima struggled, but he was testing the limits of this racket on purpose when he didn't have to.

all due respect to Dan.
Dima was just having fun and fooling around.

 

[thomas.pong]

all due respect to Dan.
Dima was just having fun and fooling around.

Exactly, like Dan could with me!

 

[bobpuls]

It was cheating....or advert? 🤣

 

[TensorBackhand]

What would Dan's USATT score be? like 2500?

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

What would Dan's USATT score be? like 2500?

At a glance, 2300-2400

 

[thomas.pong]

At a glance, 2300-2400

I think so too.

 

[OldUser]

Now when I'll read people wanting to switch from their pre-made bat to an ALC outer blade with fast rubbers, I'll told them "ask Dima first"...

 

[Dream2K]

Best to buy 10 sheets of Lagnus 2mm rubber while it is still in stock

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Best to buy 10 sheets of Lagnus 2mm rubber while it is still in stock

SOLD OUT already

rumor has it, Butterfly's new HIGH end rubber will be called Lagnus 05

 

[andzejgolot]

Who won the giveaway?

 

[OldUser]

At a glance, 2300-2400

Na it's 2500 at least, Tom and Dan have the minimum skills required to play in Nationale 2, maybe even nationale 1 in France for Tom. 2300-2400 is equivalent to guys playing 1800 to 1900 FFTT, it's only regionale 1, and my club has a team in regionale 1, the guys are far from having Dan and Tom's skills.

(Now having that said, the Maine et Loire district is one of the toughest in France with 2 clubs in the Pro A and ETTU competitions: La Romagne and Angers Wolves 'Les Loups d'Angers' that is a multiple Pro A champion)

 

[dingyibvs]

Na it's 2500 at least, Tom and Dan have the minimum skills required to play in Nationale 2, maybe even nationale 1 in France for Tom. 2300-2400 is equivalent to guys playing 1800 to 1900 FFTT, it's only regionale 1, and my club has a team in regionale 1, the guys are far from having Dan and Tom's skills.

(Now having that said, the Maine et Loire district is one of the toughest in France with 2 clubs in the Pro A and ETTU competitions: La Romagne and Angers Wolves 'Les Loups d'Angers' that is a multiple Pro A champion)

Do you think Dan's better than Craig Bryant?

 

[Tinykin]

Do you think Dan's better than Craig Bryant?

Not even close.
There's a big difference between a strong amateur and a true professional even when their individual strokes are comparable.

 

[dingyibvs]

Not even close.
There's a big difference between a strong amateur and a true professional even when their individual strokes are comparable.

I ask because Bryant recently played in the US Open. He beat a 2400 player, and lost to a 2400 and a 2300 player, so his rating would be ~2400. If Dan is 2500 - 2600 then that would mean he's clearly a level above Bryant.

2500-2600 is typically what Chinese ex-provincial players are rated. Bryant could've been at that level during his peak years, but not now. No offense to Dan but I don't think he's quite that good.

 

[Dominikk85]

I ask because Bryant recently played in the US Open. He beat a 2400 player, and lost to a 2400 and a 2300 player, so his rating would be ~2400. If Dan is 2500 - 2600 then that would mean he's clearly a level above Bryant.

2500-2600 is typically what Chinese ex-provincial players are rated. Bryant could've been at that level during his peak years, but not now. No offense to Dan but I don't think he's quite that good.

I think US points are slightly different. I read that US points is like 300 points higher than for example German points, I.e a 2500 US player would be more like 2200 in Europe.

 

[dingyibvs]

I think US points are slightly different. I read that US points is like 300 points higher than for example German points, I.e a 2500 US player would be more like 2200 in Europe.

The original question was what would Dan's USATT rating be, so that's what I referenced. I think guys like the Beast may be 2500, but Dan is probably more in the 2300-2400 range as others guessed.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I ask because Bryant recently played in the US Open. He beat a 2400 player, and lost to a 2400 and a 2300 player, so his rating would be ~2400. If Dan is 2500 - 2600 then that would mean he's clearly a level above Bryant.

2500-2600 is typically what Chinese ex-provincial players are rated. Bryant could've been at that level during his peak years, but not now. No offense to Dan but I don't think he's quite that good.

I thought ex-provincial players would be like 2700-2800. Kou Lei, Ma Jinbao, Li Jian or whatever. I'm still not really familiar with the scene, but it seems all the top USATT players are actually ex-provincial players.

 

[dingyibvs]

I thought ex-provincial players would be like 2700-2800. Kou Lei, Ma Jinbao, Li Jian or whatever. I'm still not really familiar with the scene, but it seems all the top USATT players are actually ex-provincial players.

More talented ones who continue to train very hard can get there, but even Liang Jishan is rated in the 2600's and he recently went back to China to train before coming back. The vast majority of them are in the 2500's or 2600's.

 

[OldUser]

I ask because Bryant recently played in the US Open. He beat a 2400 player, and lost to a 2400 and a 2300 player, so his rating would be ~2400. If Dan is 2500 - 2600 then that would mean he's clearly a level above Bryant.

2500-2600 is typically what Chinese ex-provincial players are rated. Bryant could've been at that level during his peak years, but not now. No offense to Dan but I don't think he's quite that good.

Craig Bryant would play the same level as Tom and maybe Pro B, for sure, but the USATT ranking means nothing at the 2500 point: it's an ELO based system, Kanak Jha is "only" 2794 for example, and in the top 20/25 in the world rankings. That's why inflationist systems like the french one do for a better representation of players' levels.

For example most of the people at the Westchester '22 August tournament were thinking Andrew Baggaley would easily win over Enzo Angles, because the rankings were close. fact is: Baggaley had no chance, Angles is a seasoned pro A player in the world top 100, younger and he was ranked only 2657, only 57 points over Baggaley. seems nothing, but it's actually huge, hence the 4-0 result at the end. At the 2500 mark in the USATT ELO system, tens of points are actually equivalent to hundreds of points under the 2500 mark.

Actually, I don't know if it's the same guy, but the last ranking I've found for Dan is TTE 212 in 2020, probably equivalent to N600/700 in France, and Thomas will correct me if I'm wrong but this allows you to be hired in a nationale 2 team here, tier 4 league, so I'm perfectly fine with my affirmation.


On the same note, Enzo Angles would have no chance vs Kanak Jah, 140 pts is even more huge at that point.

But that's also the problem with USATT: few pros and too much gap between pros and strong amateurs, there's a kind of no man's land at 2500 pts.