Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[Attitude]

Has anyone tested LAC for chopping?
I don't only play defense but I have a mid-range game and I vary between chop and topspin.

I thought I read that we often compare H3 neo and LAC, so why not?

Actually one of the best chopping rubbers aside from pipsout rubbers, for me.

Btw i got new green one batch for my bh and im actually gonna put those 2 sheets on my yasaka atletico power and yinhe pro 01 and see if i still feel as good with it as i used to.

 

[Saiph]

Actually one of the best chopping rubbers aside from pipsout rubbers, for me.

Btw i got new green one batch for my bh and im actually gonna put those 2 sheets on my yasaka atletico power and yinhe pro 01 and see if i still feel as good with it as i used to.

Please do tell how does the green LAC feel on BH after you use it. Probably better if you could compare it with orange LAC on BH (if you used it and remember how it felt).

 

[Attitude]

Please do tell how does the green LAC feel on BH after you use it. Probably better if you could compare it with orange LAC on BH (if you used it and remember how it felt).

Pretty much the same in my early tests but it is hard to tell for certain at this point.
But i the rubber does seem to bond better with its sponge. I tested to seperate them with the rests after gluing and couldnt do it as i could with my other sheets.

We will see how it feels and behaves in the upcoming trainings.

Btw i hate to break it, but Telson 100 was a dissappointing experience for the bh. Low spin, felt really dead compared to lac, didnt grip propperly with several different techniques, ark was kinda low most of the times.
Overall not a good rubber for me at all. Lac/h3 feels way better for my bh in every apsect.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Pretty much the same in my early tests but it is hard to tell for certain at this point.
But i the rubber does seem to bond better with its sponge. I tested to seperate them with the rests after gluing and couldnt do it as i could with my other sheets.

We will see how it feels and behaves in the upcoming trainings.

Btw i hate to break it, but Telson 100 was a dissappointing experience for the bh. Low spin, felt really dead compared to lac, didnt grip propperly with several different techniques, ark was kinda low most of the times.
Overall not a good rubber for me at all. Lac/h3 feels way better for my bh in every apsect.

This is more consistent with what I found. The topsheet isn't as grippy as Kirin 1. And the rebound was somewhat dead.

After boosting though, the rebound was massive.

 

[Attitude]

This is more consistent with what I found. The topsheet isn't as grippy as Kirin 1. And the rebound was somewhat dead.

After boosting though, the rebound was massive.

Yeah even if that is the case, there is literally no advantage compared to lac. No boosting needed, more spin, more consistent, better arc, more control...
Maybe it has its perks for fh, for other players, i dunno. But not for me.

 

[gensay]

Can anyone share the weight of the Rxton 7 rubber? I'd like to try its 37d on my BH of Pro 05.
Thanks.

 

[50hz]

Can anyone share the weight of the Rxton 7 rubber? I'd like to try its 37d on my BH of Pro 05.
Thanks.

Hi, 42-43g cut (157x150mm,159x150mm).

 

[50hz]

Hi, (going a little bit offtopic)
I just want to give a short feedback what happened during the midseason break with my setup. My coaches came to the conclusion, that I changed my game with the Loki setup (W81 inner, Rxton9, Telson100) in a worse way. I moved my game from close to table to more far away from table over the time. This ended up in taking top spin more under the table and the required effort/power in high quality shots went up high. Besides the need putting more energy in the game, the out of position situations concerned my coaches the most.

Our decison during a 1,5 week training camp was to change the setup in a way, that I need to put less effort in my game, keep the current feeling close to existing setup and start working on moving my game back closer to the table.

Testing some club sponsored rubbers on my favorite blades (W81 inner & Sanwei 75 inner) ended up in the following setup: 75 inner, FH Nexy Etika 51, BH Fastcarc C1.

Why am I tellig you this, because the transition to this setup was very easy for me and it also kept all positive aspects of my Loki setup. The Etika is a tacky rubber, but it grips the ball very well, low throw, the support of the sponge is easier to activate and almost the same weight. The C1 has a little bit more dwell time than the Telson 100, this gives me more time close to table and helps me focus on not going back. The catapult is in my feeling almost the same.

The Sanwei 75 inner adds a more direct/harder feeling (Koto vs Limba) to the setup, which works very well with the more lifely sponge of the Etika.

We will finish the season with this setup and then reevalute, because there were also positive aspects in my gameplay with Loki setup (seen by the coaches), but we had to stop this trend which was making my game worse. Btw. training/drills and matchplay/stress situations were totally different.

 

[gensay]

Hi, 42-43g cut (157x150mm,159x150mm

Wow, that’s lightweight.
I should try it. Even 40d for FH as well.
Thanks

 

[igorponger]

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[gensay]

I placed an order for 37d & 40d of Rxton 7. The price is lower than I expected in AliExpress. I paid only $30 (USD) including shipping to Canada (similar to the Big Dipper).
I am playing Jupiter 3 Asia and Big Dipper and can't wait for my new Pro 05 and Rxton 7 setup.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I placed an order for 37d & 40d of Rxton 7. The price is lower than I expected in AliExpress. I paid only $30 (USD) including shipping to Canada (similar to the Big Dipper).
I am playing Jupiter 3 Asia and Big Dipper and can't wait for my new Pro 05 and Rxton 7 setup.

I didn't like Pro 05 at all, and Rxton 7 was underwhelming for me too

 

[gensay]

BTW, the exchange rate in bundle deals is strange. I normally browse items in CAD and pay it in USD. I ordered this with another cheap rubbers, for sure, paid in CAD.
I think this can be a good BH rubber.

 

[TensorBackhand]

BTW, the exchange rate in bundle deals is strange. I normally browse items in CAD and pay it in USD. I ordered this with another cheap rubbers, for sure, paid in CAD.
I think this can be a good BH rubber.
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I think the batches of this rubber are a bit inconsistent. I had 1 sheet of Rxton 3 Pro and it was quite good, and the 2nd sheet wasn't as good

 

[RomanAngerer]

Finally tested the LAC on two viscaroids: DHS PG6X (harder) and FZD ALC (softer):

1) Short game - good. The rubber is more 'linear' than H3 Neo, it's a bit less dead on touches, but it's fine because any extra effort logically transfers into speed increasement (which isn't high), so it's easy to control the ball.
2) Slow (spinny) topspins - bad. When I executed such topspins using my wrist, the spin was mediocre, but when I engaged the torso, the spin was good. So yeah, opening with slow wrist-loops is bad--the person either counters easily or blocks to an uncomfortable position.
3) Powerful topspins - good. The arc is below average, so the ball dives pretty well. However, the ball doesn't accelerate off the table like it does with H3 Neo (pretty much no other rubber has this effect, IMO), so it was easier for opponents to return.
4) Serve - good. Once again, it's much worse than H3 Neo (reverse pendulum with H3 Neo is sometimes half of my points won) but still pretty good when compared with other hybrids or ESN rubbers.
5) Flat hit - good. Better than Jupiter 3, Battle 2 Gold, and way better than H3 Neo which is the worst in that department.
6) Blocks - very good. I was surprised how well LAC soaks the spin, blocking was very effortless like with European hybrids.
7) Countertopspin - excellent. In fact, I didn't expect the rubber to perform this well when countering. It soaks the enemy spin and creates its own spin when you engage the torso (which is inevitable during countering). And you don't have to go through the ball as much as you have to do with H3 Neo.

Conclusion: I have yet again tried to find an H3 Neo replacement, because H3 Neo requires regular boosting. So I tried LAC without a booster, and it was a worse rubber, all things considered. I am sure LAC would play better after a couple of layers of boosting, but the whole point of trying this rubber was getting rid of boosting forever.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Finally tested the LAC on two viscaroids: DHS PG6X (harder) and FZD ALC (softer):

1) Short game - good. The rubber is more 'linear' than H3 Neo, it's a bit less dead on touches, but it's fine because any extra effort logically transfers into speed increasement (which isn't high), so it's easy to control the ball.
2) Slow (spinny) topspins - bad. When I executed such topspins using my wrist, the spin was mediocre, but when I engaged the torso, the spin was good. So yeah, opening with slow wrist-loops is bad--the person either counters easily or blocks to an uncomfortable position.
3) Powerful topspins - good. The arc is below average, so the ball dives pretty well. However, the ball doesn't accelerate off the table like it does with H3 Neo (pretty much no other rubber has this effect, IMO), so it was easier for opponents to return.
4) Serve - good. Once again, it's much worse than H3 Neo (reverse pendulum with H3 Neo is sometimes half of my points won) but still pretty good when compared with other hybrids or ESN rubbers.
5) Flat hit - good. Better than Jupiter 3, Battle 2 Gold, and way better than H3 Neo which is the worst in that department.
6) Blocks - very good. I was surprised how well LAC soaks the spin, blocking was very effortless like with European hybrids.
7) Countertopspin - excellent. In fact, I didn't expect the rubber to perform this well when countering. It soaks the enemy spin and creates its own spin when you engage the torso (which is inevitable during countering). And you don't have to go through the ball as much as you have to do with H3 Neo.

Conclusion: I have yet again tried to find an H3 Neo replacement, because H3 Neo requires regular boosting. So I tried LAC without a booster, and it was a worse rubber, all things considered. I am sure LAC would play better after a couple of layers of boosting, but the whole point of trying this rubber was getting rid of boosting forever.

What's wrong with Jupiter 3?

 

[RomanAngerer]

What's wrong with Jupiter 3?

It needs to be boosted as well, unfortunately. From my experience, it's probably the rubber that benefits from boosting the most.

In general, J3A is similar to LAC in many ways. J3A is surely spinnier but it also reacts to incoming spin more than LAC. J3A produces excellent slow (spinny) topspins and serves but is worse at countering (and anything involving flat hitting) than LAC. In everything else--more or less the same as LAC.

 

[Grumms]

Finally tested the LAC on two viscaroids: DHS PG6X (harder) and FZD ALC (softer):

1) Short game - good. The rubber is more 'linear' than H3 Neo, it's a bit less dead on touches, but it's fine because any extra effort logically transfers into speed increasement (which isn't high), so it's easy to control the ball.
2) Slow (spinny) topspins - bad. When I executed such topspins using my wrist, the spin was mediocre, but when I engaged the torso, the spin was good. So yeah, opening with slow wrist-loops is bad--the person either counters easily or blocks to an uncomfortable position.
3) Powerful topspins - good. The arc is below average, so the ball dives pretty well. However, the ball doesn't accelerate off the table like it does with H3 Neo (pretty much no other rubber has this effect, IMO), so it was easier for opponents to return.
4) Serve - good. Once again, it's much worse than H3 Neo (reverse pendulum with H3 Neo is sometimes half of my points won) but still pretty good when compared with other hybrids or ESN rubbers.
5) Flat hit - good. Better than Jupiter 3, Battle 2 Gold, and way better than H3 Neo which is the worst in that department.
6) Blocks - very good. I was surprised how well LAC soaks the spin, blocking was very effortless like with European hybrids.
7) Countertopspin - excellent. In fact, I didn't expect the rubber to perform this well when countering. It soaks the enemy spin and creates its own spin when you engage the torso (which is inevitable during countering). And you don't have to go through the ball as much as you have to do with H3 Neo.

Conclusion: I have yet again tried to find an H3 Neo replacement, because H3 Neo requires regular boosting. So I tried LAC without a booster, and it was a worse rubber, all things considered. I am sure LAC would play better after a couple of layers of boosting, but the whole point of trying this rubber was getting rid of boosting forever.

How long did you play with it. Many players find it better avec a few hours of "burn-in" (personally, I don't believe in the "burn-in", I can play immediately with all my rubbers).

 

[Attitude]

How long did you play with it. Many players find it better avec a few hours of "burn-in" (personally, I don't believe in the "burn-in", I can play immediately with all my rubbers).

It does get a little bit better on my bh after 1-2 weeks but not by much.

While i am back on lac on bh i have to agree that the rubber does almost nothing well when you arw trying to hit a topspin or loop with low force/effort. Slow movements will be punished and let the ball drop short.

That said i had my second training with it and could hit the crap out of almost every serve with it and way harder than i was capable of with H3.
Im still not sure why i cant pull of the same shots with H3 but i have several advantages with lac.
All openers go wider, faster and still land on the table.
I can chopblock with way higher consistency.
Looping from the middistance is easier as well.

 

[RomanAngerer]

How long did you play with it. Many players find it better avec a few hours of "burn-in" (personally, I don't believe in the "burn-in", I can play immediately with all my rubbers).

I played a full training (3.5 hours) and a tournament (3.5 hours) during the weekend.
Indeed, for the first couple of hours, the rubber felt almost as dead as H3N Commercial 40-degree unboosted (I can't forget that dead feeling). But after the initial couple of hours, it became much livelier and bouncier, more hybrid-like.

And it wasn't due to loss of tackiness--the tackiness remained, it just felt like I needed to hit with the rubber for some time to "wake up".