Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

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bingo

H3 #22 is the 40+ go to rubber.

Taiwan was very heavy Butterfly prior to 40+
since the change, many male juniors have adapted to H3 #22

Obviously the few with Butterfly central contracts (directly with Butterfly HQ) cannot use it.

DHS took away a lot of market share from Butterfly in Asia.
And now taking blades market share away too.

I also saw the top Korean players (Jang Woo Jin, Lee Sang Su) have adapted to W968/H3 in the past 2-3 years. Almost the other pros switched to hybrids like K3 and D09c. But none of them can have the performance of a boosted H3 NT

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

But fine, according to you, how much time would you need to discern which rubber is which H3?

Obviously I started with #20 commercial vs #22 national
if you willing to stay by the original comparison.

one of each is fine.
i will tape up the sponge on all sides so it isn't visible.

player needs to tell me which is #22 national and that is the winner.

its really going to be so easy.

 

[TensorBackhand]

They may be similar to some extent. But to tell someone who can tell the difference that they can't....well, that is a bit odd. And to tell someone you will bet him, and then to say, "but you only get 15 seconds to tell the difference" (perhaps 3-5 hits) when you are confident they can't tell the difference....if you are confident that someone who says he can tell the difference and his students also can, then, WHY A TIME CONSTRAINT?

For you the difference is not that much. For someone under the level of 1500-1600 most of the rubbers those people buy are a waste of their money because they are not good enough to get the actual benefits of the rubber.

But, YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA IF, to someone like Tony, who has been playing at a high level and coaching juniors to a high level, IF THE DIFFERENCE FOR HIM AND HIS JUNIORS IS NIGHT AND DAY or not. Because you are NOT THEM you have NO IDEA. SO BY BELABORING THE POINT, YOU JUST COME OFF AS OBNOXIOUS AND I DOUBT YOU MEAN TO BUT YOU DO.

I didn't say there is no difference. I said many times, there can be some differences and marginal benefits. I just don't think its worth 4 times the price.

To me, insisting that there is a huge difference is obnoxious. Those TT11 players are better than 95% of members on this forum. They would beat most guys on this forum with regular commercial. Even at their high level, they can't tell the difference. That's enough information for me.

Can Ma Long tell the difference? sure. But are any buyers on this forum at that level? no

But if you want to up the time and do the test, then fine. I don't think the time will help.

 

[longle]

Well like I said, I used H3 provincial and H3 national before. I won some of my best matches with it. I like it. I feel some difference.

I just don't think the difference is very big.

If that experience is helpful for some people, then good. If they still want to pay up for the extra marginal quality, then that's fine as well.

To me, the misinformation is stating that there is a huge difference between these rubbers. Within the spectrum of rubbers, the difference is small to me.

I think you made sense this time. For lower ranking amateurs, I doubt they will see the difference between the H3 versions, so paying a much higher price for not so clear advantages is a no go

Only until they adapt the proper Chinese techniques - to hit a powerful spinny kill shot, they will see the difference.

 

[Attitude]

oh my gosh,
is this your thread?

Now I can see why you said what you said to me earlier haha

The price was surfaced earlier (hint)
I think supply would be a problem at first.

It's way better than LAC (i actually parked the LAC when I tried R9 the first time)
The sponge and top sheet quality is equally good and is designed for boosting (just like #22)

I'm a bit down with flu, otherwise, I should actually be reboosting my R9 to compare the feel after 1 month of proper play/boosting.

Not sure if you guys can purchase R9 so early though, especially maybe your local sellers won't be getting them soon.
Maybe Loki's Aliexpress store will be the best bet.
I'm actually going to have a call with them again tomorrow, and I will see what I can do help the fanatics get it

Maybe just make a list of who wants and I will try and get Loki to reserve for you, and we can worry about the logistics/ordering later

That would be awesome but it would actually be enough if they would try to stock it on Aliexpress asap. I mean i wont need it NOW but would love to try it in the offseason by the end of the year.

I wonder though, why they would make a H3 alternative under the Rxton series. Maybe it fits because it is a weird serious of so many different rubbers, but still weird overall.
I mean if they would make the 9 their flagship rubber, they should make new series or put it into their Arthur series, which is supposed to be their flagship series.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Obviously I started with #20 commercial vs #22 national
if you willing to stay by the original comparison.

one of each is fine.
i will tape up the sponge on all sides so it isn't visible.

player needs to tell me which is #22 national and that is the winner.

its really going to be so easy.

Well, even I have #22 blue sponge, and like I said multiple times, it felt slightly different to me compared to my regular commercial. Even I at my level can tell the difference, so you're not saying too much.

The original TT11 video was comparing OS to OS.

 

[mattlamperouge]

Rxton 9 currently have very little stock in its first batch. Still no news of Rxton 7 release, or even 1st batch production.
9 will hit the market way before 7 for sure and very soon. Mostly in China only.
I have already received communication on pricing

To say it is aiming for the H3 #22 National target market is a fair statement.
I don't see it happening though, as those users will continue to use DHS (just like customers continue to use Tenergy or Dignics).

But for Loki, having the ability to bring out such a rubber - has shown they ability in producing top end goods and I think that is worth more than the actual sales figures of the rubber.

My samples was received in May and was Pro testing samples (no packaging, and stinks like hell)
The ones that are out on these videos are all part of the first batch production

Thats the info i got too, pricing a few dolars more than LAC, i can get a sample in about 8 days. They push it to me as their top product performance and quality wise. Rxton 7 still testing and not on mass production.

hmmmm so how many months we need to wait to see it on Aliexpress?
I mean they do have at least more than one or non distributor on that marketplace, so it should arrive faster than stuff from sword for example.

My agent told me "The official store purchase time should be in October" im guessing little stock like tony said.

 

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Im pretty sure i took part in that thread and even tried to explain the reason behind this to him... Not sure though if that put any sense in him.

Well whatever, this is too OT for actually my thread about Loki rubbers

the content in this thread only is suffice to make a new forum

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I also saw the top Korean players (Jang Woo Jin, Lee Sang Su) have adapted to W968/H3 in the past 2-3 years. Almost the other pros switched to hybrids like K3 and D09c. But none of them can have the performance of a boosted H3 NT

you are right
Japan adapted too, since they had an influx of Chinese provincial players coming through with the Tokyo OG budget.

Korea side it was the Chinese born Korea's that started it first but a lot of them took on DHS fully (including the womens')

But after "tests" they all settled for #22 national

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Im pretty sure i took part in that thread and even tried to explain the reason behind this to him... Not sure though if that put any sense in him.

Well whatever, this is too OT for actually my thread about Loki rubbers

Let me know if you want me to delete all the THREAD HIJACKING that has happened as a result of MZ (TensorBH).

BTW: I notice in more than dozens of threads how, regardless of the topic of the thread, MZ will come in with a comment that is totally off topic about equipment that just does not have anything to do with the subject of the thread.....like, someone posts some footage, someone else makes a comment, MZ reads the rubbers listed in that person's profile and MZ starts asking him, in a thread that has nothing to do with equipment, how that person likes the rubber listed in his profile.

Circuits are definitely crossed and not functioning properly.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Obviously I started with #20 commercial vs #22 national
if you willing to stay by the original comparison.

one of each is fine.
i will tape up the sponge on all sides so it isn't visible.

player needs to tell me which is #22 national and that is the winner.

its really going to be so easy.

If you want to compare #22 provincial to #22 national, then fine

 

[TensorBackhand]

Let me know if you want me to delete all the THREAD HIJACKING that has happened as a result of MZ (TensorBH).

BTW: I notice in more than dozens of threads how, regardless of the topic of the thread, MZ will come in with a comment that is totally off topic about equipment that just does not have anything to do with the subject of the thread.....like, someone posts some footage, someone else makes a comment, MZ reads the rubbers listed in that person's profile and MZ starts asking him, in a thread that has nothing to do with equipment, how that person likes the rubber listed in his profile.

Circuits are definitely crossed and not functioning properly.

Carl, please go back and read the thread. I was not the one to change the thread topic.

I even tried to bring the discussion back to original Loki topic.

My original point is that I'm more excited about Loki Rxton 7 than Rxton 9, because there are already cheap options for H3-type rubber: namely H3 commercial.

 

[Attitude]

I think you made sense this time. For lower ranking amateurs, I doubt they will see the difference between the H3 versions, so paying a much higher price for not so clear advantages is a no go

Only until they adapt the proper Chinese techniques - to hit a powerful spinny kill shot, they will see the difference.

Depends again. Especially you would be able to tell if you play H3 37 degree on your bh or 41. And this difference CAN occur with commercial versions. It is a risk/chance buying commercial versions and DHS is completely open about it.

On FH the difference might not be that noticable, especially if it is a sheet around/above 39 degree.

And again the differences between OS and BS are way more significant. Even for me. If i wouldnt mind the time and money i would go for the bet too, that i can tell the difference here. But i actually dont have the time, because i have to train and level my game in my current (higher) division.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

If you want to compare #22 provincial to #22 national, then fine

I need to ask the audience now.
is the goal post moving??

I guess the #20 commercial to #22 national gap is too big to risk money, so to have a safer bet, is to change the odds (but I thought the odds were low between #20C and #22N since TT11 said so)

 

[longle]

That would be awesome but it would actually be enough if they would try to stock it on Aliexpress asap. I mean i wont need it NOW but would love to try it in the offseason by the end of the year.

I wonder though, why they would make a H3 alternative under the Rxton series. Maybe it fits because it is a weird serious of so many different rubbers, but still weird overall.
I mean if they would make the 9 their flagship rubber, they should make new series or put it into their Arthur series, which is supposed to be their flagship series.

Agree, if Rxton9 is really that good, where will LAC go ? Maybe renaming Rxton9 to Arthur China Golden something like that sounds more logical to me

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I didn't say there is no difference. I said many times, there can be some differences and marginal benefits. I just don't think its worth 4 times the price.

To me, insisting that there is a huge difference is obnoxious. Those TT11 players are better than 95% of members on this forum. They would beat most guys on this forum with regular commercial. Even at their high level, they can't tell the difference. That's enough information for me.

Can Ma Long tell the difference? sure. But are any buyers on this forum at that level? no

But if you want to up the time and do the test, then fine. I don't think the time will help.

This is you continuing to be blind and obnoxious.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ANYONE ELSE FEELS, SO TO TELL TONY THE DIFFERENCE HE FEELS IS NOT WHAT HE SAYS BECAUSE YOU DON'T FEEL MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IS YOU BEING BLIND TO THE FACT THAT SOMEONE ELSE MAY FEEL THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU.

Most people on this forum don't need Tenergy, Dignics, H3 National. But that does not mean that ALL people on the forum feel the same things as you do.

The idea that you hijack people's threads with idiotic debates like this where you continue to make yourself come off as obnoxious and rude....well, think about it. How many people are trying to argue with you and how stubborn are you to keep saying the same things as though you did not even understand what you just read from what they wrote.

 

[Attitude]

the content in this thread only is suffice to make a new forum

Yeah it actually escalated quite quickly xD

 

[Emin]

But its entertaining to watch!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Depends again. Especially you would be able to tell if you play H3 37 degree on your bh or 41. And this difference CAN occur with commercial versions. It is a risk/chance buying commercial versions and DHS is completely open about it.

On FH the difference might not be that noticable, especially if it is a sheet around/above 39 degree.

And again the differences between OS and BS are way more significant. Even for me. If i wouldnt mind the time and money i would go for the bet too, that i can tell the difference here. But i actually dont have the time, because i have to train and level my game in my current (higher) division.

I think we can all forget about h3 versions in TTD

For forehand, go for H3 #22 provincial

for backhand, don't go DHS
But if you want DHS H3-37 commercial is good enough to start with. I would settle with provincial though.

if your level is not high enough, you can't feel the advantage of national versions

 

[mattlamperouge]

That would be awesome but it would actually be enough if they would try to stock it on Aliexpress asap. I mean i wont need it NOW but would love to try it in the offseason by the end of the year.

I wonder though, why they would make a H3 alternative under the Rxton series. Maybe it fits because it is a weird serious of so many different rubbers, but still weird overall.
I mean if they would make the 9 their flagship rubber, they should make new series or put it into their Arthur series, which is supposed to be their flagship series.

Im guessing Rxton series branding and sales give them better numbers, so they try to push it as flagship. Models with Numbers on a series are also logical & easier to sell (if they could keep it tidy lol) It would cost a lot more for branding department if you try to create a new series out of every rubber.