Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[TensorBackhand]

I need to ask the audience now.
is the goal post moving??

I guess the #20 commercial to #22 national gap is too big to risk money, so to have a safer bet, is to change the odds (but I thought the odds were low between #20C and #22N since TT11 said so)

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I'm not moving the goal post. I'll do the bet if you use the same 4 rubbers that TT11 used in their test.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I'm not moving the goal post. I'll do the bet if you use the same 4 rubbers that TT11 used in their test.

This is my original question to you.
and here is your reply
Game on, or chicken out?

and didn't you say TT11 didn't test #22
so where did you get your 4 rubbers from now? lol

 

[Attitude]

Let me know if you want me to delete all the THREAD HIJACKING that has happened as a result of MZ (TensorBH).

BTW: I notice in more than dozens of threads how, regardless of the topic of the thread, MZ will come in with a comment that is totally off topic about equipment that just does not have anything to do with the subject of the thread.....like, someone posts some footage, someone else makes a comment, MZ reads the rubbers listed in that person's profile and MZ starts asking him, in a thread that has nothing to do with equipment, how that person likes the rubber listed in his profile.

Circuits are definitely crossed and not functioning properly.

Thanks but i suppose there is no need. I guess we will just add another thread the moment we discuss and review R9 or other Loki rubbers. This one got way too full either way.

Beside maybe we need this thread as evidence for a bet

 

[TensorBackhand]

This is you continuing to be blind and obnoxious.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ANYONE ELSE FEELS, SO TO TELL TONY THE DIFFERENCE HE FEELS IS NOT WHAT HE SAYS BECAUSE YOU DON'T FEEL MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IS YOU BEING BLIND TO THE FACT THAT SOMEONE ELSE MAY FEEL THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU.

Most people on this forum don't need Tenergy, Dignics, H3 National. But that does not mean that ALL people on the forum feel the same things as you do.

The idea that you hijack people's threads with idiotic debates like this where you continue to make yourself come off as obnoxious and rude....well, think about it. How many people are trying to argue with you and how stubborn are you to keep saying the same things as though you did not even understand what you just read from what they wrote.

That's not what I said. I told Tony multiple times that he is entitled to his opinion. If he feels there is a huge difference or some difference, please specify what exactly you feel to be different. The reader can then judge if that difference is worth it.

My personal opinion, is that the difference in performance is small, and not worth 4 times the price.

I said multiple times that different opinions can be expressed and the reader can decide what makes sense to them.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

If you want to compare #22 provincial to #22 national, then fine

You are amazing. So, first you want a time limit of 15 seconds and now the comparison is the one you choose not the one originally stated.

You know you are never going to make the bet in the first place. You know you are just wasting people's time since you really are trying to fix things so you can't lose.

Tony, what he is really betting is that, if you put H3 N with #22 sponge on both sides, you and your kids would not be able to tell which one was the commercial rubber with the #20 sponge because neither were the commercial sponge with the #20 rubber.

Just ignore him.

 

[Emin]

Until one of my LACs has a major break or something I will keep them on.
I really like them on my blade, feels really comfortable and was able to play quite well in last match.
Rxton 9 will be my next EJ, but until then.
LAC shall prevail!
The only complaint is the Topsheet issue with it getting loose on the edges.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Thanks but i suppose there is no need. I guess we will just add another thread the moment we discuss and review R9 or other Loki rubbers. This one got way too full either way.

Beside maybe we need this thread as evidence for a bet

I was about to ask Carl to get the cash from TB first, before I make phone calls

with the money I make, I might as well buy everyone who is having a good laugh of this silly bet a R9 (not car)

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

You are amazing. So, first you want a time limit of 15 seconds and now the comparison is the one you choose not the one originally stated.

You know you are never going to make the bet in the first place. You know you are just wasting people's time since you really are trying to fix things so you can't lose.

Tony, what he is really betting is that, if you put H3 N with #22 sponge on both sides, you and your kids would not be able to tell which one was the commercial rubber with the #20 sponge because neither were the commercial sponge with the #20 rubber.

Just ignore him.

haha
I was hoping you can try help and make this bet happen.
It will be the best thing that ever happened on TTD

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Until one of my LACs has a major break or something I will keep them on.
I really like them on my blade, feels really comfortable and was able to play quite well in last match.
Rxton 9 will be my next EJ, but until then.
LAC shall prevail!
The only complaint is the Topsheet issue with it getting loose on the edges.

R9 so far they fix a lot of issue LAC had on its sponge and topsheet
LAC to me, the sponge is a bit too brittle - hence your edge issue, just like ESN

 

[TensorBackhand]

haha
I was hoping you can try help and make this bet happen.
It will be the best thing that ever happened on TTD

Do the bet then. the 4 same rubbers used in TT11 video.

H3 commercial OS, H3 provincial OS, H3 national OS, and H3 BS I believe are the 4 rubbers they tested.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

okay, its midnight by me
i'm hungry, i'm going to go cook some dumplings and sleep

 

[Attitude]

Until one of my LACs has a major break or something I will keep them on.
I really like them on my blade, feels really comfortable and was able to play quite well in last match.
Rxton 9 will be my next EJ, but until then.
LAC shall prevail!
The only complaint is the Topsheet issue with it getting loose on the edges.

True, i have almost the same issue. My record is 2 weeks+hitting occasionally an edge and i have a bubble around the edge of the rubber^^.
I use it as mark of my incompetence to loop propperly and my lack of speed

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

That's not what I said. I told Tony multiple times that he is entitled to his opinion. If he feels there is a huge difference or some difference, please specify what exactly you feel to be different. The reader can then judge if that difference is worth it.

My personal opinion, is that the difference in performance is small, and not worth 4 times the price.

I said multiple times that different opinions can be expressed and the reader can decide what makes sense to them.

This is how Wang Chen explained it to me years ago: "At your level, it won't make much difference if you used H3N, H3P or H3C. But to _______, IT WILL MAKE A BIG ENOUGH DIFFERENCE THAT IT IS WORTH IT, for him." She was referring to a specific player who was maybe 1800-1900 but had very good FH looping technique.

So, again, you telling Tony he does not feel a difference, or trying to bet him on the subject is just you being rude.

However, if Tony felt like explaining the difference, it would be fine. But I would understand why he might now want to. I decided years and years ago, that, to try and review equipment when everyone feels things so differently, it just didn't make sense to me. Every time I read different people's opinions on equipment I am usually reminded of this: how everyone feels things differently. So, him trying to put what he feels the differences are may or may not be worth it to him.

Would it be useful to the forum? It may be and it may not be. I am not so sure. But the way you hijack people's threads with stuff like this is really offputting.

 

[TensorBackhand]

This is how Wang Chen explained it to me years ago: "At your level, it won't make much difference if you used H3N, H3P or H3C. But to _______, IT WILL MAKE A BIG ENOUGH DIFFERENCE THAT IT IS WORTH IT, for him." She was referring to a specific player who was maybe 1800-1900 but had very good FH looping technique.

So, again, you telling Tony he does not feel a difference, or trying to bet him on the subject is just you being rude.

However, if Tony felt like explaining the difference, it would be fine. But I would understand why he might now want to. I decided years and years ago, that, to try and review equipment when everyone feels things so differently, it just didn't make sense to me. Every time I read different people's opinions on equipment I am usually reminded of this: how everyone feels things differently. So, him trying to put what he feels the differences are may or may not be worth it to him.

Would it be useful to the forum? It may be and it may not be. I am not so sure. But the way you hijack people's threads with stuff like this is really offputting.

no carl, go back and read who the one is that started talking about H3 national. All I said is that I'm less excited about Rxton 9 because it's already similar enough to available rubbers.

I didn't say Tony doesn't feel a difference. I said I personally don't feel a difference, but his differing view is also a point of reference. People should read both views and come to their conclusion.

The TT11 guys came to their conclusion as well, a 3rd point of reference.

 

[longle]

R9 so far they fix a lot of issue LAC had on its sponge and topsheet
LAC to me, the sponge is a bit too brittle - hence your edge issue, just like ESN

Good news, makes me want to break it even more

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

no carl, go back and read who the one is that started talking about H3 national. All I said is that I'm less excited about Rxton 9 because it's already similar enough to available rubbers.

I didn't say Tony doesn't feel a difference. I said I personally don't feel a difference, but his differing view is also a point of reference. People should read both views and come to their conclusion.

The TT11 guys came to their conclusion as well, a 3rd point of reference.

And so you have continued to drag out the point over and over for pages because.....what? Is there a reason you can't let something drop and not get the last word?

I see this:

Is that not where it started: a $17.75 H3 vs a #22 sponge National H3?

Is there even a reason to get to the point where you are going back and forth in a thread about rubbers that ARE NOT H3.

Why is any of this in here. If Tony started it, how is he asking you whether you think there is a difference between H3 commercial and H3N with #22 sponge? Did he just ask you that out of nowhere?

 

[TensorBackhand]

And so you have continued to drag out the point over and over for pages because.....what? Is there a reason you can't let something drop and not get the last word?

I see this:

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Is that not where it started: a $17.75 H3 vs a #22 sponge National H3?

Is there even a reason to get to the point where you are going back and forth in a thread about rubbers that ARE NOT H3.

Why is any of this in here. If Tony started it, how is he asking you whether you think there is a difference between H3 commercial and H3N with #22 sponge? Did he just ask you that out of nowhere?

He asked me that because I said Rxton 9 is similar enough to H3.

 

[BaRanchik]

Time to 'Unwatch' my favorite forum thread for finding new rubbers to test.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

He asked me that because I said Rxton 9 is similar enough to H3.

And this is what I am going to say: if it is on the subject of some kind of bet about H3 with Tony, for you and for Tony, no more comments in this thread. You guys can do that in PMs if you really want to make a bet.

So, regardless of what, if it is about a bet with Tony and the subject is H3 and not the subject of the thread, you should no longer make those comments in this thread.

 

[TensorBackhand]

And this is what I am going to say: if it is on the subject of some kind of bet about H3 with Tony, for you and for Tony, no more comments in this thread. You guys can do that in PMs if you really want to make a bet.

So, regardless of what, if it is about a bet with Tony and the subject is H3 and not the subject of the thread, you should no longer make those comments in this thread.

Fine by me. I'm excited to see Rxton 7 and if it really can compete with D09c.

As of now, I'm not super excited by Rxton 9 because it sounds similar to existing rubbers, but if its good, I might change my mind anyways.