Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

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What specifically made Telson 100 feel more impressive? Was it the grip? the rebound? the dwell?
The overall performance, feeling, looks, grip arc catapult etc. Keep in mind this is subjetive opinion. I first tested AED when i was using tacky low bonce rubber on BH so the feeling was different, i think probably the direct comparison with a much more expensive T64 leaved a better first impresion, i played with AED a couple times since i started using T64 and it plays very well. I Will make some A B testings on todays training session before i record the Bounce test for you.
 
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i Didnt test it extensively yet but i can share my first experience.
I pasted it on BH of my Loki V7rs (inner carbon Limba top ply) Replacing a Tenergy 64 i been using for a couple months. Played for around 5hs, Teaching a beginners class, a couple of friendly matches & then a 2 hs training session with my partner.

Unboxing & First look
It looks & feel like other japanese style rubbers, clearly a high quality rubber. i didnt smell chemicals or solvents.
The Packaging is pretty cool, good quality.
The surface is just a tiny bit tacky at first but it doesnt come with a film so its clearly supposed to be a non sticky rubber. First impression & test with a ball seems really grippy.

It has a pretty firm sponge, direct comparison with T64 and they look really close. Pore size & color.
Finger test with topsheet fells a bit harder than expected like other reviewers said. T64 feels a tiny bit softer.
You can easily feel the high tension on the rubber.

Here is a simple bounce test vs T64 after playing with it:

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First impressions teaching:
Based on review, my first look & finger test i expected the transition from T64 to Telson 100 to be a bit harder but on My first hits i was pleasantly surprised! Driving felt really good & familiar, easy speed & great spin, Blocks were easy to control, you can feel a small catapult on passive shots. pushes & short touch with good control due to the firm sponge & really good spin for a Non tacky rubber.

After teaching different players mainly driving & blocking i felt right at home with Telson 100 on the BH, i think the throw angle its a tiny bit higher than T64 but i think its lower than T05 as far as i remember.

Friendly matches & training:
After teaching i Jump straight to some friendly matches with clubmates. I had a blast testing my usual shots. at first i had to adapt a bit since my clubmates play with more speed & spin than my students, but i quickly played normally. I Even played more agressive BH shots than normal to test the rubber and got a confidence boost since the shots were quite deadly.
I think it has a safe enough arc when looping backspin, blocking & driving near the table.
BH punchs were extreamly fast! The sound it makes is so satisfying too!
At least for my level, technique & my blade i dont think the sponge its so hard to activate, i expected to be harder, it has pretty much the same dwell time than my T64.
After playing some friendly matches my partner arrived & we had our usual training session.
I could feed & block normally during multiball drills, then i tried looping backspin with different arcs (even though i dont have the best BH) hard loops were extreamly fast & the arc was quite low & long, softer more spinny loops where also doable but a bit trickier due to the sponge hardness, with the 45º version those will probably be easier, brushing the ball produced great spin you can really feel the grip on the ball.
I Also tested a bit on FH and i think other players will like it (T05 or G1 users), serving & pushes had really good control & spin, drives & loops are really fast.
Transition from low to high Gears felt good & consistent at least for me, i like to play kind of a soft dead block with loose hand into a hard punchy ball and the speed difference was Great during matches!

My first test indicates that its really a great rubber! Clearly for intermediates/advanced players. The performance & quality surpasses the price by a mile. For amateurs like me i cant really say i will miss T64, i will keep testing & try to get higher level players (that play with T05 both sides) to play with it to compare.
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So, you found the Telson 100 bounces more than the Tenergy 64, right?
 
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is the Telson 100 a baby G1? firm topsheet etc.

if the sponge doesnt disintigrate with one removal, then it blows the similarly priced Sanwei Gear Hyper out of the water.
I wouldnt exactly say that...they share quite a bit of similarities based on my experience hitting with G1 (a great rubber) but I dont think Telson 100 is slower or with less spin (just two "5 hours sessions" so far most of it teaching (mainly blocks) a couple of friendly matches and some regular & multiball drills... When you hit hard with Telson 100 the ball its extreamly fast! Grip & fealling is great!
Also i want to add that yesterday i pasted another sheet on a friends off outercarbon blade and quality control seem pretty good i liked the combination. I didnt test on really rigid blades yet. I also sold Another sheet so i will have some additional reviews.
 
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So, you found the Telson 100 bounces more than the Tenergy 64, right?
On my test yeah, but they were really close & keep in mind the Tenergy 64 was used for a couple months while Telson 100 was just 1 session.
Yesterday i had another session (teaching + matches + some drills) and i can say that it performs really well. I can make all the same shots that i could do with T64 and also can be more agressive due to the better grip (T64 was used so it lost some grip)
 
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That's good to know. Some previous reviewers described Telson 100 as "dead". But your test seems to show the opposite
Who said its dead? I wouldnt said that, feelling its quite lively and bouncy even if firm, and more "objective" Bounce test show at least the same level of rebound compared to typical tensors (tenergy 64, i tested M1 too) although the hardness is a bit high, lower level players also felt the tensor effect (compared with my R9 for example they could inmediatly tell the difference) End of the month i have a tournament so i will try to test vs other tenergys & G1 etc.
 
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Waiting for the Rxton VII to arrive, I tested the Arthur China on my backhand for the first time yesterday, on the Yinhe 05. It gives nice control, but it requires to block spin everything to have speed. I'm really hesitant for my BH rubber this year. Either I stay with tensor :
- Nexxus 38°*, that was my rubber last year on the Long V
- Superselect 48°*, that I tried yesterday on the Fang Bo B2, very nice, more control than the 38°, but because of the hardness, I miss some hits I can do with the 38°
- GoldArc 8 50° (the 47,5° is not available anymore on AliExpress) : tested next week
- Codexx 53° : tested next week

Or I decide the full chinese experience, full control with :
- Volant Phoenix 2 37 boosted, or the unboosted 35
- Arthur China*
- H3 Neo 37 OS (boosted or unboosted ?)
- Hurricane 9 Purple
- Rxton VII
(* = tested rubbers)

That's many things to test, and only one month for that before I reintegrate my team for the regional league.
 
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Waiting for the Rxton VII to arrive, I tested the Arthur China on my backhand for the first time yesterday, on the Yinhe 05. It gives nice control, but it requires to block spin everything to have speed. I'm really hesitant for my BH rubber this year. Either I stay with tensor :
- Nexxus 38°*, that was my rubber last year on the Long V
- Superselect 48°*, that I tried yesterday on the Fang Bo B2, very nice, more control than the 38°, but because of the hardness, I miss some hits I can do with the 38°
- GoldArc 8 50° (the 47,5° is not available anymore on AliExpress) : tested next week
- Codexx 53° : tested next week

Or I decide the full chinese experience, full control with :
- Volant Phoenix 2 37 boosted, or the unboosted 35
- Arthur China*
- H3 Neo 37 OS (boosted or unboosted ?)
- Hurricane 9 Purple
- Rxton VII
(* = tested rubbers)

That's many things to test, and only one month for that before I reintegrate my team for the regional league.
Imo, unless you want to seriously want to work on your backhand technique for a longer time, You should stick to what you are comfortable and confident with.

While Chinese rubbers offer more things overall, they require better and more sophisticated technique.
Blocking is one of them.


Assuming you are used to playing tensors on Backhand:
If you have the time and the intention to train properly while you won't play serious matches, where you'll want to win, I'd say get comfortable with 1 of the Chinese rubbers and adjust your technique along the way.

1 Month definitely isn't enough.

Stay with the rubber that you are most confident and comfortable with.


Also:
Arthur China on Pro 05 is NOT easy to use - I tested that exact setup before.
Hard and sticky rubber on a blade that can quickly get fast and out of control.

It feels great to hit strong powerloops and finish the points right away, but I assume you (and we all) are not on semi-pro level where you actually need to do that.

Again, if you'd train in China for 6 months it would be fine, but it probably won't help you much.


Although I find it too soft, the Nexxus 38 will probably be your best choice.
Maybe something in the 42-47° hardness range would be better, but it's up to you.


I tested so many backhand rubbers and in the end I came back to the one I played 2 years ago and it's going better than ever.
 
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It's not a matter of technique. I have the best BH of my club. But it's a matter of playing style, and what I want to put the emphasis on : dynamism or control ? I feel good on the BH with almost anything, with chinese rubbers I can do things I can't do with tensor, and vice versa/the other way around. This summer I played the highest player of my life (up to n°400 french), and it made me wonder if more control on the BH could help me being more agressive. I'm not sure of that, that's why I'm trying things.

You're probably right, that my initial setup was the right one, but I least I explore. I'm so confident in my BH that I did not try to change anything with it, I'm playing in control at the table, and try to finish the point in one stroke. But to reach higher level, I'm wondering if I should not play very aggressively with very active blocks, fast block spins, and then with higher risks than I currently take. Doing massive changes to my FH made me improve drastically this year, maybe it's worth thinking about making ajustements on the BH.

Whatever the conclusions will be, it's fun to test all that, I'm feeling the ball in different ways with each rubber, I understand the limits of my technique, of the equipment,... I wish I had more time to test that, but hey, life is a challenge !

I'm really eager to test the Rxton VII, if the topsheet is the same than Arthur China, and the sponge more bouncy, it could be a nice compromise, it's the most promising rubber I'm waiting for. Otherwise, Superselect 48° it will be.
 
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Also:
Arthur China on Pro 05 is NOT easy to use - I tested that exact setup before.
Hard and sticky rubber on a blade that can quickly get fast and out of control.

It feels great to hit strong powerloops and finish the points right away, but I assume you (and we all) are not on semi-pro level where you actually need to do that.
I did not find it hard to use, at the contrary. It's a way slower blade than the Pro 01 or the Stuor Hinoki I have. It's close to the Stuor Long V I've been using for 6 months now, maybe with even more control. I'm not a semi pro, that's why I prefer the 05 to the 01 (which would be a great choice if I had 300 more points).

I find that the association with the Arthur China in the FH is perfect, I can't see any better setup for me with my current level (in fact, I feel fine with any Long V clone, Stuor, Fang Bo, Yinhe, Sanwei). On the BH, with any type of rubber, I feel also it's the right blade, not too fast, not too slow, I feel it's well associated with any type of topsheet. The handle is bigger than most other blades, that might be bothering for some players though.
 
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What's the fucking fuck :

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Compared to the usual Arthur China :
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I ordered the usual Arthur China. I never saw this packaging before. I wrote directly to Loki to know more about this.

Edit : I need to improve my close up pictures...
 
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