Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

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yeah I just want to find a replacement for Dragon Grip... the best hybrid rubber I've used, but for some reasons it's very hard to get a black sheet, all the stores are out of stock, only red
well it's name in Chinese is 赤龍 I.e. red dragon, so :D Although it doesn't make sense that a hybrid rubber isn't readily available in black, surely they know most tacky rubber users prefer black rubbers on FH?!
 
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I just ordered a Loki Arthur China. I see that it says on their website that no booster is needed, but it says the same for the H3 Neo, and for me, the H3 Neo is useless without an additional booster. Do you put the booster on the LAC the same as on the H3 or is it not necessary?
I still need to apply 1 layer booster to H3 Neo but no need for LAC
 
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I just ordered a Loki Arthur China. I see that it says on their website that no booster is needed, but it says the same for the H3 Neo, and for me, the H3 Neo is useless without an additional booster. Do you put the booster on the LAC the same as on the H3 or is it not necessary?
I agree with longle. I boosted my H3 with at least one layer, no matter if it was neo or the non neo version. Especially for bh.
And i can play lac on both sides. It still has a stronger bounce/kick than h3 boosted.
 
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yeah I just want to find a replacement for Dragon Grip... the best hybrid rubber I've used, but for some reasons it's very hard to get a black sheet, all the stores are out of stock, only red
May be your best hybrid but not mine!!!
From memory Dragon Grip had little tackiness like many other modern 'Hybrids', I found ball slipped occasionally, which is probably me or dust on rubber or both!!
Jekyll & Hyde H52.5 could be an option, only available in Asia so far, but could give Dragon Grip a run for your money, at a better price point.
 
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From memory Dragon Grip had little tackiness like many other modern 'Hybrids', I found ball slipped occasionally, which is probably me or dust on rubber or both!!
Jekyll & Hyde H52.5 could be an option, only available in Asia so far, but could give Dragon Grip a run for your money, at a better price point.
I also tried H52.5 but don't like its feeling unfortunately. In fact I tried almost the whole Jekyll&Hyde line, and the V47.5 is one of the best rubber for BH I've used😛 but I had to switch after 2 sheets because of its price tag..
 
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My Rxton 5 doesn't feel very hard despite being marked as 41 degrees, and I seem to have the new package. Brace yourself...
I had a rxton 5 a few months ago and mine was insanely hard. So i kept putting baby oil and booster on it until it softened, and it played very well
 
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I never tried dragon grip since stiga asks way too much for their rubbers, but to me it looks like a Donic C2. While K3 is kinda like a bit sticky "tensor" rubber the C2 is more like a bit sticky "half-tensor" rubber, it has some bounce but not like the K3. C2 reminds me more of a Chinese rubber.
 
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I never tried dragon grip since stiga asks way too much for their rubbers, but to me it looks like a Donic C2. While K3 is kinda like a bit sticky "tensor" rubber the C2 is more like a bit sticky "half-tensor" rubber, it has some bounce but not like the K3. C2 reminds me more of a Chinese rubber.
I tried K3 just a little bit a long time ago. But i remember feeling that it was too soft to really compete with boosted H3. I didnt really think it was that fast either, Im pretty sure Jupiter 3 was faster.

Im testing C53 right now, and it kinda feels the same way. Its fun and nice to play with, but it tops out for the big hitters.
 
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I tried K3 just a little bit a long time ago. But i remember feeling that it was too soft to really compete with boosted H3. I didnt really think it was that fast either, Im pretty sure Jupiter 3 was faster.

Im testing C53 right now, and it kinda feels the same way. Its fun and nice to play with, but it tops out for the big hitters.
Okay, so let's get this straight from my view.

I like Jupiter 3, I also think it's very fast. But both J3 and H3 feel totally differently than K3 in actual play.
Let's not kid ourselves, for the price of J3, 15 USD, or LAC for ~22-23USD they perform crazy good.
I would say that the LAC reaches into the C2 territory and in that regards the Dragon Grip territory. Both rubbers are miles more expensive without giving that extra performance. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that @longle 's case is unique and he just chews out rubbers like there is no tomorrow. I think the LAC topsheet is superior to C2 (or other C-touch) but the sponge is not. I would really love a combination of both. C2/K3 sponge with LAC topsheet.

But DG nor C2 doesn't bubble up on you after 10 hours. Would I still buy a C2 over a LAC for 50% more money? Nope.

I really have a love and hate relationship with K3, I love to hate on it all the time. Not just K3, but the whole C-touch top sheet brigade. The topsheet wears too soon. 1 month, maybe 2 in some cases and it's just worn.
But remove the durability issues and the K3 really performs well as new. That cannot be taken away from that sheet.
I probably liked that sheet the best when I used it first, it had enough of everything. Enough bounce, speed, and forgiveness. A 2nd best would be Glayzer 09c to be honest. But G09c has a more defined character with being very slow (almost like H3) on weak impact and giving a pretty heavy boost on strong shots. If you cannot get used to that it will screw you over. I would rate LAC, J3, H3, D09c after all these...

K3 being soft. Okay, I hear you. It has softeness, but it doesn't drop the ball. Soft rubbers drop the ball when you counter. For me countering is over the table counter. Stepping back 2 meters and driving the opponent's drive or topspin is not countering. Over-the-table countering is probably the most impressive and deadly shot in table tennis while stepping back and driving is a comfort shot.
K3 doesn't drop the ball over the table, it doesn't give you unreasonable "excess lift" or "excess """"thorw-angle""""" while its softness lets you hit down on the wood. I only found this in G09c. D09c doesn't provide this feature and most rubbers also don't. (that being said D09c might be tuned to harder and spinnier incoming shots)

Actual Chinese rubbers like H3BS or Dingtian just ignore the opponent's spin, and since the sponge is dense they automatically hit down on the wood. They are very good at countering as well. No excess lift, not balls being dropped, it just works fantastically.

I will say LAC is very good at countering over the table. It has chinese stlye topsheet, so doesn't drop the ball because loss of grip, the sponge is hard and semi dense so it hits down on the wood but gives a milisecond of contact time due to the bubbles. Not as comfortable as K3 new but it just works. For some reason, I can counter with LAC over the table very comfortably and with high accuracy.

But K3 cut is 48-49g, G09c 48-49g, D09c 50-51g. LAC 53g, C2 53g, Rakza Z, 53-55g, H3N OS 52-3g...

TL;DR LAC is great for its price and has several capabilities that contest if not exceed H3 BS national or D09c or K3.
But the 41 deg LAC for me lacks the top-end speed of K3 and G09c and the lightness. Can it be fixed with a layer of booster? Probably the speed can but the weight can't be. Will LAC survive that? I have my doubts.
K3 is not perfect but when new it is very-very good.
I think @longle stated somewhere that G09c is too soft to handle on FH. Maybe on a Stiga XX blade it is which is an outer full carbon koto blade. On a softer touch blade it doesn't feel out of place so much. Why do I say this? Since I tried G09c on W968 and outer Koto ZLC blade as well. On W968 it just performs miles better.

TL;DRRR: G09c has no topsheet durability issues, no weight issues, fast and slow depending on what you want.
It works very well on BH too since light and Chiquita and countering with it is superb. Hell, Chiquita with G09c is probably the best out of any rubber.
And that is my conclusion that G09c is the most bang for the buck hybrid rubber.
 
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Okay, so let's get this straight from my view.

I like Jupiter 3, I also think it's very fast. But both J3 and H3 feel totally differently than K3 in actual play.
Let's not kid ourselves, for the price of J3, 15 USD, or LAC for ~22-23USD they perform crazy good.
I would say that the LAC reaches into the C2 territory and in that regards the Dragon Grip territory. Both rubbers are miles more expensive without giving that extra performance. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that @longle 's case is unique and he just chews out rubbers like there is no tomorrow. I think the LAC topsheet is superior to C2 (or other C-touch) but the sponge is not. I would really love a combination of both. C2/K3 sponge with LAC topsheet.

But DG nor C2 doesn't bubble up on you after 10 hours. Would I still buy a C2 over a LAC for 50% more money? Nope.

I really have a love and hate relationship with K3, I love to hate on it all the time. Not just K3, but the whole C-touch top sheet brigade. The topsheet wears too soon. 1 month, maybe 2 in some cases and it's just worn.
But remove the durability issues and the K3 really performs well as new. That cannot be taken away from that sheet.
I probably liked that sheet the best when I used it first, it had enough of everything. Enough bounce, speed, and forgiveness. A 2nd best would be Glayzer 09c to be honest. But G09c has a more defined character with being very slow (almost like H3) on weak impact and giving a pretty heavy boost on strong shots. If you cannot get used to that it will screw you over. I would rate LAC, J3, H3, D09c after all these...

K3 being soft. Okay, I hear you. It has softeness, but it doesn't drop the ball. Soft rubbers drop the ball when you counter. For me countering is over the table counter. Stepping back 2 meters and driving the opponent's drive or topspin is not countering. Over-the-table countering is probably the most impressive and deadly shot in table tennis while stepping back and driving is a comfort shot.
K3 doesn't drop the ball over the table, it doesn't give you unreasonable "excess lift" or "excess """"thorw-angle""""" while its softness lets you hit down on the wood. I only found this in G09c. D09c doesn't provide this feature and most rubbers also don't. (that being said D09c might be tuned to harder and spinnier incoming shots)

Actual Chinese rubbers like H3BS or Dingtian just ignore the opponent's spin, and since the sponge is dense they automatically hit down on the wood. They are very good at countering as well. No excess lift, not balls being dropped, it just works fantastically.

I will say LAC is very good at countering over the table. It has chinese stlye topsheet, so doesn't drop the ball because loss of grip, the sponge is hard and semi dense so it hits down on the wood but gives a milisecond of contact time due to the bubbles. Not as comfortable as K3 new but it just works. For some reason, I can counter with LAC over the table very comfortably and with high accuracy.

But K3 cut is 48-49g, G09c 48-49g, D09c 50-51g. LAC 53g, C2 53g, Rakza Z, 53-55g, H3N OS 52-3g...

TL;DR LAC is great for its price and has several capabilities that contest if not exceed H3 BS national or D09c or K3.
But the 41 deg LAC for me lacks the top-end speed of K3 and G09c and the lightness. Can it be fixed with a layer of booster? Probably the speed can but the weight can't be. Will LAC survive that? I have my doubts.
K3 is not perfect but when new it is very-very good.
I think @longle stated somewhere that G09c is too soft to handle on FH. Maybe on a Stiga XX blade it is which is an outer full carbon koto blade. On a softer touch blade it doesn't feel out of place so much. Why do I say this? Since I tried G09c on W968 and outer Koto ZLC blade as well. On W968 it just performs miles better.

TL;DRRR: G09c has no topsheet durability issues, no weight issues, fast and slow depending on what you want.
It works very well on BH too since light and Chiquita and countering with it is superb. Hell, Chiquita with G09c is probably the best out of any rubber.
And that is my conclusion that G09c is the most bang for the buck hybrid rubber.

Are your conclusions about LAC assuming that it has poor durability and will bubble relatively quickly? If it turns out the 41d is relatively durable and withstands boosting, would that change your opinion and put it in contention as your bang-for-buck rubber?

BTW, appreciate the clear and informative way in which you are evaluating the rubbers. Very pleasant to read.
 
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LAC from GOO shop on the 28th of june and it just got delivered today the 5th of July.
I got the orange cover, kinda metallic foil look.
on the sponge is the Arthur sign then it says Arthur 2.1mm H41
Then it saysS3K021P - 3E
the orange sponge can not be compared to the Rxton5 sponge, it is softer but not
as soft like the sponges with all the little holes.
I just lifted the clear plastic cover on one corner and yes, it is sticky, how sticky it is can only be revealed once i glued it on a blade.
I just ordered the pink YES , P I N K Rxton3 for the BH
Something new to try out
Thanks shall hereby be given to all the GODS of EJ for keeping me busy and my pocket empty.
May I die broke😂😂😂
 
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I ordered my
LAC from GOO shop on the 28th of june and it just got delivered today the 5th of July.
I got the orange cover, kinda metallic foil look.
on the sponge is the Arthur sign then it says Arthur 2.1mm H41
Then it saysS3K021P - 3E
the orange sponge can not be compared to the Rxton5 sponge, it is softer but not
as soft like the sponges with all the little holes.
I just lifted the clear plastic cover on one corner and yes, it is sticky, how sticky it is can only be revealed once i glued it on a blade.
I just ordered the pink YES , P I N K Rxton3 for the BH
Something new to try out
Thanks shall hereby be given to all the GODS of EJ for keeping me busy and my pocket empty.
May I die broke😂😂😂
I also noticed Aliexpress delivery is much faster than before. I think they invested a lot into logistics.

S3 refers to the topsheet type. K02 refers to the sponge type. and 1P I think has to do with the sponge chemical treatment
 
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Lol, I am getting confused by all the EJ'ing here. I would still go back to hurricane instead of finding a replacement.

I don't think I am ready to try Loki's product yet. For me, LAC is priced higher than hurricane so I would go back to hurricane any time of the day. And the tackiness on hurricane lasts like forever!

However, the review on G09c got me interested. People on YouTube keep on shitting on G09c and call it unresponsive compared to Dignic 09c. So I am a bit interested in trying it for my backhand rubber.

Yes reading this forum will make me go broke....
 
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Lol, I am getting confused by all the EJ'ing here. I would still go back to hurricane instead of finding a replacement.

I don't think I am ready to try Loki's product yet. For me, LAC is priced higher than hurricane so I would go back to hurricane any time of the day. And the tackiness on hurricane lasts like forever!

However, the review on G09c got me interested. People on YouTube keep on shitting on G09c and call it unresponsive compared to Dignic 09c. So I am a bit interested in trying it for my backhand rubber.

Yes reading this forum will make me go broke....
Not sure why you're confused. I've come to understand that the main purpose of this forum is to find unboosted alternatives to boosted H3, preferably as cheap as possible.

Forum traffic peaked last year with Jupiter 3 and it is doing so again with the LAC craze of 2023.
 
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Not sure why you're confused. I've come to understand that the main purpose of this forum is to find unboosted alternatives to boosted H3, preferably as cheap as possible.

Forum traffic peaked last year with Jupiter 3 and it is doing so again with the LAC craze of 2023.
Excellent. Next should be GTX or Rxton 7
 
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Lol, I am getting confused by all the EJ'ing here. I would still go back to hurricane instead of finding a replacement.

I don't think I am ready to try Loki's product yet. For me, LAC is priced higher than hurricane so I would go back to hurricane any time of the day. And the tackiness on hurricane lasts like forever!

However, the review on G09c got me interested. People on YouTube keep on shitting on G09c and call it unresponsive compared to Dignic 09c. So I am a bit interested in trying it for my backhand rubber.

Yes reading this forum will make me go broke....
No, don't waste your time with G09c. At the same hardness and role and function, I think K3 or Bluestar or V20 would be better.
 
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Okay, so let's get this straight from my view.

I like Jupiter 3, I also think it's very fast. But both J3 and H3 feel totally differently than K3 in actual play.
Let's not kid ourselves, for the price of J3, 15 USD, or LAC for ~22-23USD they perform crazy good.
I would say that the LAC reaches into the C2 territory and in that regards the Dragon Grip territory. Both rubbers are miles more expensive without giving that extra performance. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that @longle 's case is unique and he just chews out rubbers like there is no tomorrow. I think the LAC topsheet is superior to C2 (or other C-touch) but the sponge is not. I would really love a combination of both. C2/K3 sponge with LAC topsheet.

But DG nor C2 doesn't bubble up on you after 10 hours. Would I still buy a C2 over a LAC for 50% more money? Nope.

I really have a love and hate relationship with K3, I love to hate on it all the time. Not just K3, but the whole C-touch top sheet brigade. The topsheet wears too soon. 1 month, maybe 2 in some cases and it's just worn.
But remove the durability issues and the K3 really performs well as new. That cannot be taken away from that sheet.
I probably liked that sheet the best when I used it first, it had enough of everything. Enough bounce, speed, and forgiveness. A 2nd best would be Glayzer 09c to be honest. But G09c has a more defined character with being very slow (almost like H3) on weak impact and giving a pretty heavy boost on strong shots. If you cannot get used to that it will screw you over. I would rate LAC, J3, H3, D09c after all these...

K3 being soft. Okay, I hear you. It has softeness, but it doesn't drop the ball. Soft rubbers drop the ball when you counter. For me countering is over the table counter. Stepping back 2 meters and driving the opponent's drive or topspin is not countering. Over-the-table countering is probably the most impressive and deadly shot in table tennis while stepping back and driving is a comfort shot.
K3 doesn't drop the ball over the table, it doesn't give you unreasonable "excess lift" or "excess """"thorw-angle""""" while its softness lets you hit down on the wood. I only found this in G09c. D09c doesn't provide this feature and most rubbers also don't. (that being said D09c might be tuned to harder and spinnier incoming shots)

Actual Chinese rubbers like H3BS or Dingtian just ignore the opponent's spin, and since the sponge is dense they automatically hit down on the wood. They are very good at countering as well. No excess lift, not balls being dropped, it just works fantastically.

I will say LAC is very good at countering over the table. It has chinese stlye topsheet, so doesn't drop the ball because loss of grip, the sponge is hard and semi dense so it hits down on the wood but gives a milisecond of contact time due to the bubbles. Not as comfortable as K3 new but it just works. For some reason, I can counter with LAC over the table very comfortably and with high accuracy.

But K3 cut is 48-49g, G09c 48-49g, D09c 50-51g. LAC 53g, C2 53g, Rakza Z, 53-55g, H3N OS 52-3g...

TL;DR LAC is great for its price and has several capabilities that contest if not exceed H3 BS national or D09c or K3.
But the 41 deg LAC for me lacks the top-end speed of K3 and G09c and the lightness. Can it be fixed with a layer of booster? Probably the speed can but the weight can't be. Will LAC survive that? I have my doubts.
K3 is not perfect but when new it is very-very good.
I think @longle stated somewhere that G09c is too soft to handle on FH. Maybe on a Stiga XX blade it is which is an outer full carbon koto blade. On a softer touch blade it doesn't feel out of place so much. Why do I say this? Since I tried G09c on W968 and outer Koto ZLC blade as well. On W968 it just performs miles better.

TL;DRRR: G09c has no topsheet durability issues, no weight issues, fast and slow depending on what you want.
It works very well on BH too since light and Chiquita and countering with it is superb. Hell, Chiquita with G09c is probably the best out of any rubber.
And that is my conclusion that G09c is the most bang for the buck hybrid rubber.
You got a point there, I currently use G09c on my BH and it performs crazily good - it it a bit slow and soft to use on FH but on BH it's a perfect allrounder, it's not as lethal as D09c but it won't put much stress on your wrist.

I tried Rxton3 Pink on BH yesterday, it was too hard so my wrist was hurt from trying to generate power from it :ROFLMAO: switched back to G09c immediately
 
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Not sure why you're confused. I've come to understand that the main purpose of this forum is to find unboosted alternatives to boosted H3, preferably as cheap as possible.

Forum traffic peaked last year with Jupiter 3 and it is doing so again with the LAC craze of 2023.
Ah...got it now. For non boosted, I would recommend Sanwei Target National or Provincial. But they are priced a lot higher than LAC. Maybe I should try Loki Arthur China. What do people think about other Loki Arthur products like Loki Arthur Asia and Loki Arthur Europe?
 
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