falco is close.....

[tikitiki]

what rubbers do you recommend for trying falco long for the first time?
I have t05
andro rasant power grip
t25
bryce speed fx

also how many layers and how long should I wait between layers?

blades I have here donic wsc, viscaria and boll t5000

how to match?

 

[Baal]

If you boost Tenergy 05 use very little booster. One coat, not more. If you put very much on it really loses a lot of the very nice feel you normally have with it, and it can also become really really fast. Tenergy 05 is not supposed to be a super-fast rubber, it is fast and very spinny with a high arc and a nice muffled feel, and if you boost it too much you lose that and it just becomes super fast. Not good. I know this from sad experience (using a booster less potent than Falco).

I have never tried Rasant.

T25 is pretty unplayable but maybe if you boosted it like crazy it would be better. Never tried boosting it. T25FX is decent especially for backhand, maybe if you boosted T25 enough it might get more like that.

Bryce Speed FX was meant for speed gluing, and might be ok boosted. Not sure so many people have used it in the current era.

Whichever blade you like best is the suggestion I would make, why use anything else?

 

[laistrogian]

My suggestion is to get a hurricane 3 and boost it, glue it along with tenergy 05 to viscaria. Voila, ZJK setup. Hurricane 3 is so damn good boosted. The rubber feels alive and it's really easy to create spin

 

[SFF_lib]

My suggestion is to get a hurricane 3 and boost it, glue it along with tenergy 05 to viscaria. Voila, ZJK setup. Hurricane 3 is so damn good boosted. The rubber feels alive and it's really easy to create spin

Can't agree more. The catapult effect of a boosted H3 is comparable to tenergy 05.
Boosted H3 is truly amazing if you can get used to tacky rubber.

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[tikitiki]

I used boosted h3 for some time years ago.
it's ok but I got used to t05 now and I can pretty much do the same things I would do with h3.

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

My suggestion is to get a hurricane 3 and boost it, glue it along with tenergy 05 to viscaria. Voila, ZJK setup. Hurricane 3 is so damn good boosted. The rubber feels alive and it's really easy to create spin

ZJK uses T80 on backhand (at least in Rio) , previously T64

I'm a bit confused by the idea of boosting, everyone claims it is illegal and yet thousands do it?

Can anyone shed some light on the situation?

 

[Shuki]

ZJK uses T80 on backhand (at least in Rio) , previously T64

I'm a bit confused by the idea of boosting, everyone claims it is illegal and yet thousands do it?

Can anyone shed some light on the situation?

Okay lets make wearing socks inside out illegal. Now lets try to regulate that ^^

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

Okay lets make wearing socks inside out illegal. Now lets try to regulate that ^^

Yes Yes, I get your point, however wearing socks inside out does not bring any advantage to the wearer, however the whole idea of boosting is to give you an advantage over your opponents.

I agree it Is difficult to regulate, but it just seems to be a bit of a "he/she is doing it, so I need to do it too!"

Similar to doping I guess...

 

[Suga D]

I don't think the majority of players who boost do it to really to get an advantage over opponents (but I guess it's a welcomed side effect), 'cause it's only an advantage if the opponent doesn't boost.
I rather think players that have already been playing during the speed glue era just are used to the behaviour of the boosted rubber and don't want to give up that feeling.
But I agree that it does have a "drain-effect" (does this Term exist? I translated literally from german) e.g. if player X boosts I have to boost as well to not fall behind somehow.

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

I don't think the majority of players who boost do it to really to get an advantage over opponents (but I guess it's a welcomed side effect), 'cause it's only an advantage if the opponent doesn't boost.
I rather think players that have already been playing during the speed glue era just are used to the behaviour of the boosted rubber and don't want to give up that feeling.
But I agree that it does have a "drain-effect" (does this Term exist? I translated literally from german) e.g. if player X boosts I have to boost as well to not fall behind somehow.

Fair point, It just seems as though what is technically "cheating" has become the normal thing to do.

I would have no issue at all with boosting becoming legal, the issue I have is that it is not legal and therefore shouldn't be happening so regularly just because it Is hard to regulate. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

 

[Suga D]

I totally agree. You're absolutely correct. This is quite similar to what Timo Boll said in an interview.

On the other hand I also agree to what Andy Smith just wrote this morning.

How much sense does it make creating a rule that simply can not be enforced.
That's kinda like asking for breakin' the rule IMHO.

I think between TT-players worldwide there's a big consensus that speedglue just wasn't good for one's health and therefore shouldn't be allowed anymore, but there's also a consensus that no health issues are known from boosting, so that reason can not be held up anymore...

 

[Shuki]

delete post, read suga D's and it explains mine better.

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

what do you mean advantage over your opponents? since everyone does it it's not an advantage right?

No, not everyone does it. And that is my point exactly. I play a lot around the UK and the majority of players I play against do not boost their rubbers. Sure there are some that do, but a lot don't.

I wouldn't have a problem with it being made legal, however currently is seems to be a bit of a grey area.

Im sure it is different in other countries, but from my own experience, boosting isn't that common in the UK.

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

I totally agree. You're absolutely correct. This is quite similar to what Timo Boll said in an interview.

On the other hand I also agree to what Andy Smith just wrote this morning.

How much sense does it make creating a rule that simply can not be enforced.
That's kinda like asking for breakin' the rule IMHO.

I think between TT-players worldwide there's a big consensus that speedglue just wasn't good for one's health and therefore shouldn't be allowed anymore, but there's also a consensus that no health issues are known from boosting, so that reason can not be held up anymore...

The solution lies with the IITF. I think they should work with the brands and customers/pro's to create a good batch of boosters that they consider to be legal, safe, environmentally frendly etc...

That way consumers are no longer choosing between doing something illegal in ping pong and being at an equipment based disadvantage.

Just my thoughts really...

 

[Suga D]

No, not everyone does it. And that is my point exactly. I play a lot around the UK and the majority of players I play against do not boost their rubbers. Sure there are some that do, but a lot don't.

I wouldn't have a problem with it being made legal, however currently is seems to be a bit of a grey area.

Im sure it is different in other countries, but from my own experience, boosting isn't that common in the UK.

I totally get how you feel.

And that's exactly the point why this rule isn't makin' any sense and the ITTF should do something about this ASAP IMHO. It simply is unfair to players that don't boost.

See I've heard of so many players in China that boost their rubbers. From little kids to top CTTSL players.

Now what will happen when this rule somehow would get enforced in a strict way?
Either many chinese will stop boosting (quite unlikely IMO)
or maybe they could also pull out the middle finger to the ITTF, by basically saying they have it up to here and not further more and then leave ITTF to form an own federation.
We have seen this in many other sports, so i don't think this is very far fetched.
And I'm pretty sure that this is the last thing ITTF would want to happen.

 

[Baal]

I honestly believe boosting makes some rubbers worse (and some players I have seen too), while it is also true that some rubbers are essentially unuseable without it.

With that said, I find it odd that if a certain physical-chemical effect is produced by a rubber factory, that it is somehow illegal for a player to reproduce that same effect at home. ITTF would be best to just regulate the overall covering thickness as they do now and disqualify blades that exceed the limit and stop worrying about anything else, which in effect is the current de facto situation. Note also, ITTF doesn't regulate sponge, just topsheets, and the only rule they have that relates to sponge is the overall thickness of the covering.

The motivation for this rule, as always, has been for ITTF to dumb and slow down the game in some misguided belief that this will make it more popular, even as they are incapable of producing something beyond a cellphone-level video feed of their top events.

 

[Baal]

The argument that boosters are somehow dangerous (when you can make one from baby oil) was an Adham Sharara lie from the start, in which he was intentionally conflating speed glues with boosters to try to justify a bad rule. I suspect it was partly collusion with manufacturers to jack up the price of rubber, and it certainly worked. I wouldn't trust Sharara if he told me that the sun would rise in the east tomorrow. If he gets it right, it only means there was no money in it for him. Weickert is part of that same inner circle.

 

[Shuki]

No, not everyone does it. And that is my point exactly. I play a lot around the UK and the majority of players I play against do not boost their rubbers. Sure there are some that do, but a lot don't.

I wouldn't have a problem with it being made legal, however currently is seems to be a bit of a grey area.

Im sure it is different in other countries, but from my own experience, boosting isn't that common in the UK.

Sure your club of not super high level players may not boost, but they're not at a level where it matters. I believe they calculated it at 97% of professional players boost. I'm the only player at my club that does it, but at our level nobody cares if a rubber is boosted. Most the players at my club aren't using tenergy or mx-p, so they wouldn't want something faster than what they have anyway.


additionally, the difference at high level comes down to players boosting for energy purposes. they're at a point where they need to work-out constantly to be able to have the power and endurance to play their high level shots for as long as they do. Booster makes this a bit easier but it's still extremely taxing on their body. If the ittf hates boosting and also isn't going to regulate it, then they shouldn't have made the ball bigger. All this does is bring more boosters to not be regulated.

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

Sure your club of not super high level players may not boost, but they're not at a level where it matters. I believe they calculated it at 97% of professional players boost. I'm the only player at my club that does it, but at our level nobody cares if a rubber is boosted. Most the players at my club aren't using tenergy or mx-p, so they wouldn't want something faster than what they have anyway.

I play around the UK at top 250 standard (have beaten top 100 players) + I'm top 75 under 21's which considering almost 2 million people play in the UK is not too bad. Part of the reason as to why my ranking is not higher is a logistical reason, but that's beside the point. There is training footage of me on here if you need to see.

I'm not really concerned whether my opponent boosts or not, my main concern is why is it illegal? And what can be done by the ITTF to get rid of any grey areas? It just feels as if having thousands of people doing something that is illegal is wrong and there are two solutions:-

1) Everyone stops boosting
2) The ITTF make it legal

One of the above is just not going to happen haha

 

[Shuki]

I play around the UK at top 250 standard (have beaten top 100 players) + I'm top 75 under 21's which considering almost 2 million people play in the UK is not too bad. Part of the reason as to why my ranking is not higher is a logistical reason, but that's beside the point. There is training footage of me on here if you need to see.

I'm not really concerned whether my opponent boosts or not, my main concern is why is it illegal? And what can be done by the ITTF to get rid of any grey areas? It just feels as if having thousands of people doing something that is illegal is wrong and there are two solutions:-

1) Everyone stops boosting
2) The ITTF make it legal

One of the above is just not going to happen haha

okay, you know why people do it and you know the solutions, now you have your information. did you want to make this an argument on morals of if people should or shouldn't do it or did you just want that information. why not make a thread talking about the ethics behind boosting and what can be done to prevent it? This would initiate the discussion I think you're looking for.