From Korbel to Viscaria a big step up?

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Based on a few things I read, I think I want to talk about a couple of things that have to do with technique.

Good technique on offensive strokes is about mechanical efficiency. If a player is trying so hard on his shots to make the ball go fast that it hurts:
1) it is likely the shots are not going as fast as they could.
2) it is likely that there is a whole lot of inefficiency in the shot.
3) it is likely that that shot is making the player reset for the next shot way too slowly.
4) it is likely that the player is not ready to watch the opponent before the opponent takes their next shot.

With a good efficient stroke, you can make the ball go very powerfully with a minimum of effort. A table tennis ball is very light. The racket is very light in comparison to a tennis racket or a baseball bat. In tennis and baseball, you need much more power to make the ball go really fast. But you still need efficiency. In table tennis, the premium is actually on timing not on power. You simply have to time the pop from your legs and core into the ball precisely. If you are trying too hard, it is likely that there is a lot of wasted effort. A player with good offensive technique can use a Stiga Allround Classic or a Donic Appelgren Allplay with Mark V and hit shots with a lot of pace and power because their technique is mechanically sound.

The next issue, the reset. When you are playing table tennis, you want to be in the set and ready position as your shot lands on the opponent's side. The reason is:

--You want to already be set to watch what your opponent does with the ball.

Then, when your opponent is pushing the pace, you are still ready for the ball coming back and his shots don't seem too fast. If your opponent's shots seem too fast, usually it means you are not reset and watching the opponent soon enough after your shot. So the issue there is to work on resetting as fast as possible after each shot. Which is also why, very often, using only 60% power is often emphasized. It means you can stay balanced and reset faster. And with 60% power, if your timing is good, you can still launch rockets.

Often newer players think that getting better at table tennis means improving what you are doing, your strokes, your shot selection, your game strategy. But getting better at table tennis, at a certain point is much more about watching and reading what your opponent is doing. If you are not focused on that, you can have amazing shots and still lose to someone who looks like he cannot play.

I have seen so many times, when playing with someone who is not as good, them thinking, feeling and expressing that they are just not playing good for some reason when they play me. For some reason shots they would normally make are not going on the table the way they normally would. And yet they don't seem to fully realize that it is because of something I am doing.

In any racket sport, but especially in table tennis, what your opponent does will always effect what you can do. And the answer to closing the gap between a player and a better player WOULD NOT BE the EJ Virus. Changing equipment to beat a better player is not something that will usually help.

But improving technique and learning to reset faster and watch your opponent better may help you improve faster.

So, get the Viscaria if you want to feed your EJ Virus. You have had many rackets and rubber combinations in the past year. Have fun. Spend all the money you want. But don't think the equipment will actually help you magically fix your technique and help you beat the best player at your club. :)
 
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Sorry. I felt this post made sense here:

Lemme get this right... a modern OFF MINUS blade with Rasanter 47 is SLOW ???

OK, you just motivated me to do a vid next week when my USATT 2200ish friend returns from the US Nationals tourney and hit a few loops with his Rasnater 47 on an Avalox P900 wood blade...

If I have a few FH hits with that setup, I think a few friends and bystanders will start calling me ROCKETMAN. However, a friend of mine on MyTT already has that screen name.
 
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The overwhelming response is to get thicker rubbers on the korbel. From here you have two choices: -

1) Accept the advice

2) Ignore the advice and still get the Viscaria in which there was little point posting in the first place.
1) accepted. :)
2) accepted about the reset issue, the problem with H3N is I need to do longer strokes for powerful shots, then my opponent just have to block and place the ball, by the way, with the tested Viscaria I kill the ball and winning the point because their reset it wasn't enough fast to block, and that's why I won just with that blade.
The difference: less effort to smash, less footwork, less block and more attack.

I don't know if I'm mad or what, but I've felt with the Viscaria asked me, attack! Kill the ball! Don't be a pussy!(cat) Destroy your opponent!

Yasaka SE just said, it's okay you will try next time, don't worry about, it's not necessary win but compete, take it easy.

Korbel said you can do it! Do your best! Calm down and think what you will do it, don't just smash, anticipate the ball.

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Based on a few things I read, I think I want to talk about a couple of things that have to do with technique.

Good technique on offensive strokes is about mechanical efficiency. If a player is trying so hard on his shots to make the ball go fast that it hurts:
1) it is likely the shots are not going as fast as they could.
2) it is likely that there is a whole lot of inefficiency in the shot.
3) it is likely that that shot is making the player reset for the next shot way too slowly.
4) it is likely that the player is not ready to watch the opponent before the opponent takes their next shot.

With a good efficient stroke, you can make the ball go very powerfully with a minimum of effort. A table tennis ball is very light. The racket is very light in comparison to a tennis racket or a baseball bat. In tennis and baseball, you need much more power to make the ball go really fast. But you still need efficiency. In table tennis, the premium is actually on timing not on power. You simply have to time the pop from your legs and core into the ball precisely. If you are trying too hard, it is likely that there is a lot of wasted effort. A player with good offensive technique can use a Stiga Allround Classic or a Donic Appelgren Allplay with Mark V and hit shots with a lot of pace and power because their technique is mechanically sound.

The next issue, the reset. When you are playing table tennis, you want to be in the set and ready position as your shot lands on the opponent's side. The reason is:

--You want to already be set to watch what your opponent does with the ball.

Then, when your opponent is pushing the pace, you are still ready for the ball coming back and his shots don't seem too fast. If your opponent's shots seem too fast, usually it means you are not reset and watching the opponent soon enough after your shot. So the issue there is to work on resetting as fast as possible after each shot. Which is also why, very often, using only 60% power is often emphasized. It means you can stay balanced and reset faster. And with 60% power, if your timing is good, you can still launch rockets.

Often newer players think that getting better at table tennis means improving what you are doing, your strokes, your shot selection, your game strategy. But getting better at table tennis, at a certain point is much more about watching and reading what your opponent is doing. If you are not focused on that, you can have amazing shots and still lose to someone who looks like he cannot play.

I have seen so many times, when playing with someone who is not as good, them thinking, feeling and expressing that they are just not playing good for some reason when they play me. For some reason shots they would normally make are not going on the table the way they normally would. And yet they don't seem to fully realize that it is because of something I am doing.

In any racket sport, but especially in table tennis, what your opponent does will always effect what you can do. And the answer to closing the gap between a player and a better player WOULD NOT BE the EJ Virus. Changing equipment to beat a better player is not something that will usually help.

But improving technique and learning to reset faster and watch your opponent better may help you improve faster.

So, get the Viscaria if you want to feed your EJ Virus. You have had many rackets and rubber combinations in the past year. Have fun. Spend all the money you want. But don't think the equipment will actually help you magically fix your technique and help you beat the best player at your club. :)

In my case,
1)the shots are not as fast I would like. Very often I win because the not forced fault from my opponent, but not is the same with experienced players.
2) I have a percentage of inefficiency in my stroke and that's for not enough time to train, just train 2 days at week and 2 hs each.
3) the timing reset in my FH is slow I think because the rubber H3N makes me so longer stroke especially in key points so it's frustrating don't be able to do powerful shots and be ready for the next return. But is easier do short spinny services with the H3N than the euro rubber.
About my BH rubber, MX-P I feel I can push, loop, I can't flick correctly it is harder than loop, so I don't try too much in a rally and sometimes when I do it is 30% success 60% fail, 10% net helps, about passive blocks is not good at all against spinny shots, but active block or counterlooping is awesome, so this rubber force to me to be active.

4) I'm always ready to watch the opponent and 70% successful predictability, but my body doesn't move as I want, so the thinking about changing it was on way to improve the speed, but thinking more deeply, is not the best choice.

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I’ll go ahead here and say I dont understand people’s fever with TB ALC / viscaria. To me, they feel numb as hell to push with and doesnt feel very crisp on looping.

A stiga clipper is 1/3rd of the price of viscaria, and IMO is as good or better overall for most people
 
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I suspect I have been in a situation eerily similar to yours, and my experience might help inform you about what the right course of action is.

I went exactly from the Korbel with H3 Neo/MX-P to a Viscaria with the same setup. In my opinion the Viscaria is the most well-rounded blades you can buy, and it is definitively one of the most popular blades among professional players, especially when you factor in its 'clones,' such the TB-ALC and TBS. If you cannot play well with the Viscaria, all your shortcomings are due to your technique, and decidedly not your equipment. The Viscaria is capable of supporting the play of some of the very best players to have ever played table tennis. I would suggest buying one if you have the money, if not just for the psychological benefit of worrying less about your equipment. I can tell you that once I upgraded, truth be told, I'm not even sure I could tell the difference besides the weight and speed, but knowing I was playing with one of the best blades ever made really took my mind off my equipment and drove me to focus entirely on my technique. I hope this helps.

I would also like to say something I learned firsthand that goes against the grain somewhat. I would not recommend that someone who does not practice regularly and/or does not receive good training uses hurricane without boosting it (that is, I don't suggest you use it right out of the package). The rubber is so hard and slow that a beginner/intermediate player will likely either develop improper technique to compensate for how incredibly slow and hard it is, or will end up frustrated with the quality of their shots. I remember my first season playing table tennis, I hurt my shoulder because I was trying to force too much power through my shoulder as a compensation for how slow the rubber was. While this is certainly an example of bad technique, it's easy to fall into these bad habits to try to get too much out of a rubber that will not give you a lot of speed. I would suggest either boosting it (a complicated and ethically ambiguous process), or switching to a more modern rubber on the forehand that will allow you to slow down your stroke and focus on hitting with proper technique.

Lastly, pain is certainly indicative of either underlying physiological problems (such as untreated injury), or is a result of bad form. You need to make sure you can hit without pain. If you feel pain you need to identify either a movement you are doing that is wrong, and that causes pain, or an injury you have that you need to rest.
 
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Pain in a sport without some obvious cause means you are doing something wrong very repeatedly. That is not good.
 
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Pain in a sport without some obvious cause means you are doing something wrong very repeatedly. That is not good.

Or it’s just the wear and tear of age. As my doctor put it: if you’re over 50 and wake up painless you know you’re dead.

He must be a religious man, come to think of it.

Anyhow, at 60 you won’t get away with pretending 20. You need to adapt to new limits. Constantly.
 
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The overwhelming response is to get thicker rubbers on the korbel. From here you have two choices: -

1) Accept the advice

2) Ignore the advice and still get the Viscaria in which there was little point posting in the first place.

Option 2 FTW !!!
 
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Or it’s just the wear and tear of age. As my doctor put it: if you’re over 50 and wake up painless you know you’re dead...

Der_Echte is both Fat AND 50... the Double F and wakes up without pain... well... I wake up with TT withdraw pains, but that doesn't count. Or does it ??!!
 
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Der_Echte is both Fat AND 50... the Double F and wakes up without pain... well... I wake up with TT withdraw pains, but that doesn't count. Or does it ??!!

Good for you, Der! Wish I could say as much. Anyway, the deeper point I was trying to make is not that there is a strict age at which pain comes, but more generally that you, me, everybody (including all the representatives of the Illinois law enforcement community who have chosen to join us here) need to come to terms with aging. We are not forever young. That's a myth, and you can remain in denial for a while, but at some point that won't wash anymore.
 
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Age makes it worse. But it is also possible to discern a pain that comes from your sport, that gets worse when you play your sport. This is a sign tnat something needs to change in your sport, some aspect of technique and possibly equipment. (Shoes are squipment too). Ignore this at your peril.

Sometimes for example, a TT player doesn't know why TT is giving them, say, elbow pain or wrist pain, but it is still clear that TT is causing it. The problem is to figure out what you need to change to keep it from recurring--after you rest it.

To attribute ALL sports related pain as an inevitable consequence of aging is a big mistake. And to be brutally honest, doctors who have no athletic background are often amazingly clueless about sports injuries.
 
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