Fun challenges or practices in table tennis

[TareqPhoto]

Perfect!

Good, i will give that a try, if i succeeded i will video it, hahaha

Well, if you all insist about videos, so let 's say if i chose one weak player and i played against him and defeated him and i posted that video, is it enough or sufficient for you to see how i play?

 

[Boogar]

hahah Madness!!

 

[NextLevel]

Perfect!

Good, i will give that a try, if i succeeded i will video it, hahaha

Well, if you all insist about videos, so let 's say if i chose one weak player and i played against him and defeated him and i posted that video, is it enough or sufficient for you to see how i play?

Yes, it is. Whether you win or lose, your technique will be easy to see for any experienced player. I can post even my worst losses and you can see my technique. Below is my worst loss from a tournament two weeks ago.

 

[NextLevel]

hahah Madness!!

The hardest part is getting started. Once you get started, you will be surprised how much you improve if you put in the hours - I think 3 at most. It is nothing close to as hard as the backspin catcher, for example.

 

[ttpshot]

My club has made a counting device for target practice couple years back. It makes multiball and service practice fun when used occasionaly. We've sold it to various junior clubs and coaches in Japan so let me know if you're interested.

 

[Boogar]

My club has made a counting device for target practice couple years back. It makes multiball and service practice fun when used occasionaly. We've sold it to various junior clubs and coaches in Japan so let me know if you're interested.

very cool! haha so much fun.
Btw i wish there would be more girls playing tt >.<

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

So do you think i can do what a player in top 20 o 30 in the world can do? you do as he did and show us, i am a troll so let's see what you can do ;-)

Hey, everything in that video can be practiced. You can practice the thing against the edge of a table against a wall instead. That makes it easier and that is one of the things Kaizoku suggested which you didn't understand. It was suggestion number 3 in his post. But all of those things are things you can practice and try.

Rolling the ball from one side to the other helps your touch and control. Trying to balance the ball on the edge, that is just a harder version. The backspin catcher is hard as can be. But it is worth practicing as well. And catching the ball from a high toss is also good practice.

It's not my fault you are an internet troll and just look for arguments and try to see an argument in everyone else's comments. That is on you. I practice the edge bounce thing any chance I get because it really helps your touch.


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[ttpshot]

very cool! haha so much fun.
Btw i wish there would be more girls playing tt >.<

Yeah, I heard there aren't many girls playing in Europe/USA. We have 10 boys and 16 girls in our club and so as other junior clubs in Tokyo. Probably explains the Asisan dominance in Women's world rankings.

 

[TareqPhoto]

My club has made a counting device for target practice couple years back. It makes multiball and service practice fun when used occasionaly. We've sold it to various junior clubs and coaches in Japan so let me know if you're interested.

Indeed it is a cool device, it will get me busy on it if i have one.

Thanks!

 

[TareqPhoto]

Yes, it is. Whether you win or lose, your technique will be easy to see for any experienced player. I can post even my worst losses and you can see my technique. Below is my worst loss from a tournament two weeks ago.

Right!

So, you lost that match, why? and you won many games so what happened in that match so you lost? it is not good if i posted a video of me lost and you all telling me the mistakes but then you don't do any better, it is like i teach someone when i need to learn first.

But let me tell you only one thing from our video according to me, when i play several games against say weaker players, when i attack more i lose more or getting in difficult situations more, but when i play slowly more controlled games and not much attacks i win clearly, so it is about how many times you attack or how good you attack? so if i am not that much good in attack, and instead i try to play and dominate my style to win is that better than just playing against someone and i attack 20 times and after all i lose?

That what i was meaning about i feel you don't play better, because i see you trying to attack a lot thinking to end the points and lose a lot of points, the coach told me, if you attack 20 times and win 5 unbelievable points but lose 15 points then don't attack, it is better to keep missing point less even with less attack, today i mean yesterday game against that good kid i changed my style, he was trying to attack all the time, so i gave him first 2 sets then i played on defensive/attack style and placement so i defeated him 3 sets in rows.

 

[Boogar]

Right!

So, you lost that match, why? and you won many games so what happened in that match so you lost? it is not good if i posted a video of me lost and you all telling me the mistakes but then you don't do any better, it is like i teach someone when i need to learn first.

But let me tell you only one thing from our video according to me, when i play several games against say weaker players, when i attack more i lose more or getting in difficult situations more, but when i play slowly more controlled games and not much attacks i win clearly, so it is about how many times you attack or how good you attack? so if i am not that much good in attack, and instead i try to play and dominate my style to win is that better than just playing against someone and i attack 20 times and after all i lose?

That what i was meaning about i feel you don't play better, because i see you trying to attack a lot thinking to end the points and lose a lot of points, the coach told me, if you attack 20 times and win 5 unbelievable points but lose 15 points then don't attack, it is better to keep missing point less even with less attack, today i mean yesterday game against that good kid i changed my style, he was trying to attack all the time, so i gave him first 2 sets then i played on defensive/attack style and placement so i defeated him 3 sets in rows.

I don't share your view on this. You should play with the bigger picture in mind. Meaning you may lose attacking all the time. However if you wan't to progress and get better you need to learn how to attack more. Otherwise you won't win against better players.
So what is your ultimate goal? To win as many matches as possible now, or to get better in the long run?

 

[NextLevel]

I don't share your view on this. You should play with the bigger picture in mind. Meaning you may lose attacking all the time. However if you wan't to progress and get better you need to learn how to attack more. Otherwise you won't win against better players.
So what is your ultimate goal? To win as many matches as possible now, or to get better in the long run?

Boogar, the right question to ask is what is the level of the opposition. The Kid is 2200+. If you watch the match, you will see that I lost the rallies as well as the shorter points.

As Carl said, Tareq is a troll, don't take him seriously. My point is to show how shallow his comments are. Anyone watching that match can see that my technique is advanced. I lost every game at or under 6 but no one will estimate my rating as 1000.

 

[TareqPhoto]

I don't share your view on this. You should play with the bigger picture in mind. Meaning you may lose attacking all the time. However if you wan't to progress and get better you need to learn how to attack more. Otherwise you won't win against better players.
So what is your ultimate goal? To win as many matches as possible now, or to get better in the long run?

I also don't understand your point with this post, you ending your post with either winning many matches or getting better in the long run, well, if you are getting better in the long run doesn't mean you will win many matches either, but winning many matches means you are almost good, not saying very good or high level, but managing to win many matches means you understand what you are doing regardless the opponent is good or not, but sounds you are saying that winning many matches is because only playing weak players?

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I am learning how to attack for sure, but if the game calling unnecessary attack or if the attack attempts doesn't work properly in that game does it mean i keep attack until i loss the match? my point about attack is to learn how to attack but not to use it in all times/scenario whether it is necessary or not.

 

[TareqPhoto]

Boogar, the right question to ask is what is the level of the opposition. The Kid is 2200+. If you watch the match, you will see that I lost the rallies as well as the shorter points.

As Carl said, Tareq is a troll, don't take him seriously. My point is to show how shallow his comments are. Anyone watching that match can see that my technique is advanced. I lost every game at or under 6 but no one will estimate my rating as 1000.

So yourself saying you lost the rallies and shorter points, is that really good thing? if i am good in rallies and attack but bad in shorter points or say i am good in shorter points and chops but bad in rallies is that mean i am doing better?

What does improving meaning? if i am strong in FH but weak in backhand, then i train or practice to strengthen my BH but it costs me to weaken my FH, is that improving? is improving in overall you mean or improving in doing specific things?


I am troll fine, but i understand what i say and smart enough to analyze or to figure out things, there are others just excellent in calling others trolls but they really don't try to be smart enough themselves, or they are trolling others but they aren't really proving something either to make themselves better.

At the end, i am not in rush for videos or practice, i just bought table few days or weeks ago, slowly trying to buy more accessories, i still don't have a lot of balls for practice even alone, and i didn't put a plan or schedule about my training or practice program, so what will the video really tell you? if i did video myself doing one thing successfully but i didn't master it will this make me already great? if i post videos of me winning and losing against strong/weak players what will this improve or prove? simply all of you said if i train i will get better, if not then i won't go further even if i win, and one person to another will be different in skills or abilities you may get better within 1 year, others may need 2-3 years.

I hope i can find or play very son games and will try to video it, so i will see what this gonna do for you.

 

[Suga D]

Do you know the meaning of the word 'Humbleness'??

Well if someone writes stuff like this

I am sorry to say that, but most videos i saw here aren't showing me a really good playing style, maybe of this last 2 pages the video of Boogar is the best one, but the rest it is like i am playing in my worst day, even in my worst day i play better than you do, but thanks for the videos, it shows what is the difference now.

Don't ask me for videos, because me and my opponents here don't like to take videos of us practicing or playing mostly, one day if i have the permission then i will show, but it is making me a big relief to know that i am better than most out there even if i lose a lot.

then he shouldn't be actin' surprised everyone wants to see a video, if you can backup your claims or if you've just been trolling. But looking for excuses to not post a video rather be considered as coward and makes one look like a internet troll hiding behind his keyboard with next to NO understanding of the game. [Besides: your other posts made people cement their way they think about your posts.]

If you wouldn't have wrote the above then everything would be fine, but from then on it's kinda hard to take you seriously...

You see most people in here post their vids seeking for advice to improve 'cause it's easier to see flaws from the outside than when one is too close. It takes some balls to expose one's flaws on the web. See it's no shame losing against someone better, but if you want to improve it could be helpful to find out what the better player does differently and then work on those things and not just give up and only play weaker players from then on...
So....

 

[TareqPhoto]

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Do you know the meaning of the word 'Humbleness'??

Well if someone writes stuff like this


then he shouldn't be actin' surprised everyone wants to see a video, if you can backup your claims or if you've just been trolling. But looking for excuses to not post a video rather be considered as coward and makes one look like a internet troll hiding behind his keyboard with next to NO understanding of the game. [Besides: your other posts made people cement their way they think about your posts.]

If you wouldn't have wrote the above then everything would be fine, but from then on it's kinda hard to take you seriously...

You see most people in here post their vids seeking for advice to improve 'cause it's easier to see flaws from the outside than when one is too close. It takes some balls to expose one's flaws on the web. See it's no shame losing against someone better, but if you want to improve it could be helpful to find out what the better player does differently and then work on those things and not just give up and only play weaker players from then on...
So....

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1000% true, and i will post a video later, because as i said most who i played against aren't accepting to be in video, and even if i try to angle the camera so only be in the video may not show the full picture, but i may video myself training too, i am so close to buy a robot i found then i will start videos for that.

Also, when i posted my rude posted before in another thread it was like a big challenge in the face for you, like firing up, even if i am a troll and i annoyed you but you should just ignore and instead you challenge me to show me much better games of you, because i said that i showed your video to the coach and some friends and they all agreed that you aren't that much good, just good as many over here i played with, even there is one member here who i met him twice and played with him and he told me honestly that i play better than you.

In addition, with all of your knowledge and your answers and advises to others anyone will think that you reached so high levels so logically we will think you play as what you know, believe me, with all of your helpful and informative posts i feel you even better than coaches here i know, you know about equipment, you know about techniques, you know about basics, so what is missing then to be a master in TT? Let's say i do the opposite, you show videos that to me and others i know doesn't tell much about how good you are but your talk is way way high that we know, and i talk not good but i may play high than you, at the end i am very very sorry for what i said, and hope you take my posts as a challenge or even as a revenge and show me the best off you, and that is why i want to show my best one day when possible, if i show you my worst matches then i know what will be said, i have coaches who can watch me and tell me my mistakes even they don't train me.

Back to this thread, you believe it is also a bad thread or a waste, so do you suggest that it should deleted/removed? I think it won't go a good way further from what i see and i know it is because of me or my fault, but separate this thread than my posts on the other thread, it is just fun here.

How about i video myself doing serves? but i really feel that if i practice on serves and show you then you will believe i am not good just because of serves, so should i or no regardless it is not fun but it is serious practice, and if you agree and i did video then what kind of serves do you want me to practice on? Also as aside request, when i will have videos, how can i show it without uploading it to youtube? not planning to open a channel or have my personal youtube channel for/about my videos yet.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Here is the thing guys, a lower level player often can't see the subtle details of spin and how a player is contacting the ball to generate so much spin. Like, my guess is that OP can't see the arc on the ball on my self hit video. He probably can't see the pull ball contact and he may not even see the acceleration on the bounce that shows how much spin I am putting on that ball that starts out with no spin.

Further, he can't see how much spin or power NextLevel gets on his shots even though it is evident to anyone who knows the game. Based on videos from NextLevel where he shows EVERYTHING, including (and especially) his mistakes, because he knows that is how HE will improve best is from seeing and understanding his miscues, OP still thought Boogar was higher level than NextLevel in spite of seeing footage of NextLevel beating Boogar easily without even having to play hard.

What made OP think Boogar was better than OP: Boogar posted a video of highlights of his best play and NextLevel posted videos where you can see everything including when he messes up.

Further, OP saw footage of 2 semiprofessional players Mark Croitoroo and Mishel Levinski whose USATT ratings range from 2400-2600 and could not tell that these were very high level players and claimed he could play even with (win some, lose some) against these players. Why did he think that these high level players were his level????? Because he CANNOT see the spin or the deception. Why did he think he was clearly better than Rich Dewitt and Philippe Dassonval???? Same reason.

If OP does post video, we will be able to see the difference in spin and contact. We will be able to tell his level regardless of if he presents video highlights of his best shots or actual footage that includes mistakes: whether he posts videos of easy wins against worse players, tough wins or loses against an evenly matched opponent or big loses against much higher level players. We will be able to see. Because, when you start being able to do these things, you start being able to see them.

Despite NextLevel's physical limitations as a result of RA (an inflammatory joint disease) that makes it hard for him to move, anyone who actually knows how to play at a decent level can see that his technique is quite high level. No low level player can get that kind of arc or pace on the ball; or the kick on the bounce. No low level player can make that precise contact and pull through the ball so fully.

Despite his physical limitations, NextLevel is at a decently high level. I can tell you from first hand experience that his ball quality is much higher level than his overall level of play. And I am confident that his physical restrictions are the largest limiting factor in his overall level.

But then you have a guy like the OP who can't see any of this who seems to value winning a match against a weaker opponent more than playing well and holding your own despite losing against a higher level player, and it just shows that either he really doesn't understand the game or HE IS NOT who he IS PRETENDING to be.

So the recent trolling with claims that he is the same level or higher than semipro players and the posts insulting and ridiculing players for showing honest, unedited footage of the reality of how they play, makes me wonder: is this an honest person who just does not understand the game or is the OP a sock puppet hiding behind a false identity trying to instigate arguments simply for his own amusement.


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[OldschoolPenholder]

Like a magnet or something Sir!

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

Nice rocket serve 5:06-5:09!

Ah the slow spinny loop 5:30 - 5:33

Beautiful! 6:03-6:09

 

[Archosaurus]

@TareqPhoto

The way you talk about the game makes me doubt you're what you say you are. You indirectly give tell tale signs of a "somewhere near 1000 USATT" player, but you talk nearly as much smack as I do. I think an honest look at yourself would do you good.


On the subject of tricks:

I've found that as I get better, I get better at doing tricks without even practicing them regularly. Now, there are world class players who're not too good at some tricks, so don't get me the wrong way.

However I feel that even just practicing simple things like trying to consistently bounce the ball at a certain height and in the very middle of the blade face are very productive for developing touch, at least at an elementary level. I get better at simple things like that, and can do some more difficult things that I couldn't do before, as I get better. I just can't see a player with good touch being awful at bouncing the ball, for example.

I think this is why Carl made me record the brush exercise some time back.