Head to Head Scores

[yogi_bear]

Then Samsonov got his revenge against Waldner when they played again in WTTC Shanghai where on 1 set I think Waldner was score 0-11.

 

[Tinykin]

Apparently, Persson had a car accident in 1994 from which he never quite recovered (neck injury). Thus he could not make sustained runs in tournaments. This makes his 2000 WTTC finals match performance against the Chinese a very remarkable one-off in his post 1994 period.

 

[mcangus]

Does anyone know Waldner's record versus Schlager?

 

[Friendshipper]

Record: 9:3

Details:
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 1996 European Nations Cup
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 23-21, 21-16 1997/98 European League Nat. Teams SF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 16-21, 21-15, 21-17, 21-17 1998 Europe Top 12 at Hamstad
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 22-20, 21-12 1998 ETTC Einhoven/NED Team
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 1999 ITTF Pro Tour Qatar Open QF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:3 20-22, 15-21, 21-17, 18-21 1999 Mens World Cup at Xiaolan QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-16, 11-21, 21-18 2000 German Masters Olympic Preparation Round 16
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:3 2000 ITTF Pro Tour U.S. Open
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 4:1 11-8, 11-9, 7-11, 11-9, 11-5 2001 ITTF Pro Tour Danish Open QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 6-11, 11-6, 11-6, 11-3 2002 ETTC Zareb/CRO Team SF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:4 7-11, 11-9, 8-11, 8-11, 5-11 2004 Mens World Cup at Hangzhou
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:2 2005 Energis Masters Sarrebruck Invitation

 

[mcangus]

Record: 9:3

Details:
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 1996 European Nations Cup
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 23-21, 21-16 1997/98 European League Nat. Teams SF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 16-21, 21-15, 21-17, 21-17 1998 Europe Top 12 at Hamstad
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 22-20, 21-12 1998 ETTC Einhoven/NED Team
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 1999 ITTF Pro Tour Qatar Open QF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:3 20-22, 15-21, 21-17, 18-21 1999 Mens World Cup at Xiaolan QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-16, 11-21, 21-18 2000 German Masters Olympic Preparation Round 16
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:3 2000 ITTF Pro Tour U.S. Open
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 4:1 11-8, 11-9, 7-11, 11-9, 11-5 2001 ITTF Pro Tour Danish Open QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 6-11, 11-6, 11-6, 11-3 2002 ETTC Zareb/CRO Team SF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:4 7-11, 11-9, 8-11, 8-11, 5-11 2004 Mens World Cup at Hangzhou
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:2 2005 Energis Masters Sarrebruck Invitation

Thanks!Wow,he beat him in 2005...That's impressive...I know J. Persson also had a very respectable record versus Schlager. Wish there were more videos of Waldner on the internet.Where do you find h2h stats?Could you find the scores of Waldner versus Kong Linghui/Wang Liqin?

 

[Friendshipper]

Waldner - Wang Liqn

Record: 2:6

Deltails;
beat WANG Liqin CHN 3:0 1997 Pro Tour Japan Open, Final
lost WANG Liqin CHN 2:3 1997 ITTF Pro Tour Grand Finals, QF
beat WANG Liqin CHN 2:1 21-14, 18-21, 21-17 1999 Mens World Cup in Xiaolan, China
lost WANG Liqin CHN 1:3 2001 China vs. Sweden
lost WANG Liqin CHN 1:3 2002 China vs. World Challenge
lost WANG Liqin CHN 0:3 Japanese Super Circuit 2005-2006
lost br WANG Liqin CHN 1:4 12-10, 3-11, 8-11, 7-11, 9-11 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece
lost WANG Liqin CHN 3:4 4-11, 9-11, 11-5, 11-3, 10-12, 12-10, 6-11 2004 Pro Tour Singapore Open

 

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Waldner - Kong Linghui

Record: 7:7

Details:
beat KONG Linghui CHN 2:0 1994 Swedish Open, Team Final
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:2 1994 Mens World Cup at Taipeh, QF
beat KONG Linghui CHN 2:1 1996 Mens World Cup at Nimes/FRA
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:1 1997 Pro Tour Qatar Open, SF
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:3 1997 Mens World Cup at Nimes/FRA, QF
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:1 1998 Pro Tour Italian Open, QF
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:2 22-20, 13-21, 21-18, 19-21, 21-15 1999 WTTC in Einhoven, NED, QF
lost KONG Linghui CHN 1:2 1999 Pondus Cup, SF
lost KONG Linghui CHN 1:2 1999 China vs. Sweden
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:2 9-21, 17-21 2000 WTTC (Team) in Kuala Lumpur, MAS, Final
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:2 2000 China vs. Sweden
lost KONG Linghui CHN 2:3 16-21, 19-21, 21-17, 21-14, 13-21 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, AUS, Final
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:2 2001 China vs. Sweden
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:3 2004 China vs. World Challenge

 

[Friendshipper]

Thanks!Wow,he beat him in 2005...That's impressive...I know J. Persson also had a very respectable record versus Schlager. Wish there were more videos of Waldner on the internet.Where do you find h2h stats?Could you find the scores of Waldner versus Kong Linghui/Wang Liqin?

I have a small collection of results from the 90's.
A good database you can find on: https://www.ratingscentral.com/

 

[jmhuang1154]

amazing information in detail - great response. It indicates two aspects of Waldner - his strength was his ability to turn it on when the stakes are high in grand slam events and his weakness was his inconsistency. Waldner was good from 1989 to 1998 for some ten years and qualified for the finals a few times in the early 2000's but age was an obstacle by then.

 

[mcangus]

Waldner,inconsistent?He had troubles in 1993-1994 against Saive but once he adjusted his game he was again the best among Europeans.He could have won the gold in 1987 if he wasn't sick.Btw,the h2h score against Kong Linghui doesn't include the 1997 WTTC Team match.It should be 8-7 for Waldner/Kong and 7-3 excluding unofficial matches.

 

[Gregoire1]

Record: 9:3

Details:
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 1996 European Nations Cup
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 23-21, 21-16 1997/98 European League Nat. Teams SF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 16-21, 21-15, 21-17, 21-17 1998 Europe Top 12 at Hamstad
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 22-20, 21-12 1998 ETTC Einhoven/NED Team
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 1999 ITTF Pro Tour Qatar Open QF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:3 20-22, 15-21, 21-17, 18-21 1999 Mens World Cup at Xiaolan QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-16, 11-21, 21-18 2000 German Masters Olympic Preparation Round 16
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:3 2000 ITTF Pro Tour U.S. Open
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 4:1 11-8, 11-9, 7-11, 11-9, 11-5 2001 ITTF Pro Tour Danish Open QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 6-11, 11-6, 11-6, 11-3 2002 ETTC Zareb/CRO Team SF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:4 7-11, 11-9, 8-11, 8-11, 5-11 2004 Mens World Cup at Hangzhou
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:2 2005 Energis Masters Sarrebruck Invitation

Great post, mate!!
Do you have full h2h records for following pairings:
Waldner vs Liu Guolinag, Ma Lin, Wang Hao, Boll, Ma long?

 

[Gregoire1]

Waldner - Kong Linghui

Record: 7:7

Details:
beat KONG Linghui CHN 2:0 1994 Swedish Open, Team Final
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:2 1994 Mens World Cup at Taipeh, QF
beat KONG Linghui CHN 2:1 1996 Mens World Cup at Nimes/FRA
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:1 1997 Pro Tour Qatar Open, SF
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:3 1997 Mens World Cup at Nimes/FRA, QF
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:1 1998 Pro Tour Italian Open, QF
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:2 22-20, 13-21, 21-18, 19-21, 21-15 1999 WTTC in Einhoven, NED, QF
lost KONG Linghui CHN 1:2 1999 Pondus Cup, SF
lost KONG Linghui CHN 1:2 1999 China vs. Sweden
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:2 9-21, 17-21 2000 WTTC (Team) in Kuala Lumpur, MAS, Final
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:2 2000 China vs. Sweden
lost KONG Linghui CHN 2:3 16-21, 19-21, 21-17, 21-14, 13-21 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, AUS, Final
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:2 2001 China vs. Sweden
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:3 2004 China vs. World Challenge

Great post, man!!! Thanks a lot!! Do you have similar data for: Kong vs Liu Guoliang , Kong vs Ma Lin, Liu vs Ma Lin, Liu vs Liqin ,Kong vs Ligin, also Samsonov vs these 4 chinese and Boll vs 4 chinese? I need it for table of h2h of great players, later I will share results.

 

[Friendshipper]

Gatien, Jean-Philippe vs. Saive, Jean-Michel
Rekord 10:11
(* ... Gatien lost)

*EOQ 1987 Group 1:3
*OG 1988 Group 2:3
EL 90/91 Group 2:1
Top12 1991 Group 3:0
MWC 1991 SF 3:0
WTC 1991 QF 2:1
ETTC 1992 Team 2:1
*ETTC 1992 QF 0:3
WTTC 1993 F 3:2
*EL 93/94 Group 1:2
*Top12 1994 Group 0:3
*EL 94/95 SF 1:2
MWC 1994 F 3:2
*EL 94/95 SF 0:2
ECCC 94/95 F1 2:1
*ECCC 94/95 F2 1:2
*MWC 1995 Group 0:2
Top12 1996 Group 1:3
*WTTC 1997 Team 0:2
Top12 1998 Group 3:1
*EMC 1998 Group 1:3

(I think there will be a few more encounters between both players)

 

[Friendshipper]

Roßkopf, Jörg vs. Kreanga. Kalinikos

Record: 6:8

EMC 1995 Group 1:3
IC SWE 1995 Team QF 0:2
EMC 1996 Group 2:3
IC FRA 1996 1:3
IC ENG 1997 3:1
Top 12 1997 Group 3:2
WTTC 1997 Team QF 2:0
Top 12 2000 Group 1:3
NEML 2000 Team Group 1:2
BL 99/00 Leg1 2:1
BL 99/00 Leg2 2:1
BL 00/01 Leg1 1:2
BL 00/01 Leg2 2:1
BL 01/02 Leg1 1:3

IC ... International (Open) Championships
EMC ... European Masters Cup
BL ... Bundesliga = German national club league
NEML ... New European Mens League

 

[Friendshipper]

Waldner vs. Joo Saehyuk (Joo Se Hyuk)

Record: 5:3

lost World Club Championships 2000
beat China Open 2002
beat Danish Open 2003
beat Killerspin Open 2003
beat Singapore Open 2004
beat Japansese Super Circuit 2005-2006 (14th May)
lost European Champions League 2008-2009
lost European Champions League 2008-2009

 

[mcangus]

https://web.archive.org/web/2002103...sia.com/sydney2000/en/sports/tt/Head2Head.htm
ITTF's H2H scores archive from 1994-2000.

 

[Friendshipper]

Samsonov vs. Ma Lin

6:14

3:0 WTTC 1997 R32
1:3 China Open 1997 QF
3:2 Grand Finals 1997 R16
3:0 Yugoslav Open 1998 QF
1:3 WTTC 1999 Round 4
3:1 Japan Open 1999 Final
3:0 Dream Cup 1999
3:2 Brazil Open 2000 QF
1:3 China versus World 2002 (team)
1:4 German Open 2002 Final
1:4 Greece Open 2004 QF
2:4 World Cup 2005 bronze medal match
1:3 CTTSL 2006 (team)
2:3 Super Circuit 2006
3:4 Grand Finals 2006 QF
1:4 Tournament of Champions 2006
1:4 WTTC 2007 QF
2:4 Kuweit Open 2009 QF
1:3 Euro-Asia Challenge (team) 2009
0:4 VW Cup 2010

Samsonov versus Wang Tao

2:3

2:3 Olympic games 1996 QF (*)
0:2 German league (team) 1996
2:0 German league (team) 1997
2:0 German league (team) 1997
0:2 German league (team) 1997

(*) Vladis most important(!), tragic loss - maybe he could have won Olympic Gold in this year. He had a comfortable 2:0-lead, then there was an interruption of the match because the light of the hall was off. After this break Wang Tao could win three games in a row - Vladis was out of his flow and momentum.
In semis he would have met Petr Korbel, with a very good winning chance to reach the final.
In the final he would have a balanced winning chance, I think. (He already beats Liu Guoliang in the 1994 Italian Open Round 16 with 3:0 - and some weeks after olympics at the All Stars Circuit he beats him again with 2:0. In the 1995 Worlds he lost 0:3 in the quarters.)

Samsonov versus Ma Wenge

13:9

1:3 French open 1996 QF
3:0 Swedish open 1997 SF
0:2 German cup (team) 1998
3:1 Qatar open 1998 R16
0:2 Europe club cup (team) 1998
1:2 Europe club cup (team) 1998
1:2 SIMEX cup 1998 SF
1:3 German cup (singles) 1998 Final
2:1 German cup (team) 1999
2:3 English open 1999
3:0 German cup (singles) 1999 QF
2:1 German league (team) 2000
2:0 World club cup 2001 (team)
1:3 Champions league (team) 2002
3:2 Champions league (team) 2002
3:0 Champions league (team) 2003
3:2 Champions league (team) 2003
3:1 Champions league (team) 2003
3:2 Champions league (team) 2003
3:1 Champions league (team) 2004
1:3 Champions league (team) 2004
3:0 Champions league (team) 2008

 

[Friendshipper]

Samsonov versus Kong Linghui

9:12

0:2 German League (team) 1995
2:3 ITTF World Ciruit 1996 Final
1:3 Grand Finals 1996 Final
3:1 WTTC 1997 SF
1:3 Word Cup 1997 SF
1:2 Europe Club Cup (team) 1998
3:2 Dream Cup JPN 1998 Final
0:2 German League (team) 1999
2:1 World Cup 1999 Groups
2:1 Pondus Cup DEN 1999 Final
2:3 Grand Finals 1999 R16
2:0 German Cup (team) 2000
0:2 World Club Cup (team) 2000
3:0 Brazil Open 2000 SF
1:3 WTTC 2001 QF
2:1 World Club Cup (team) 2001
3:1 Killerspin USA 2002
2:3 Killerspin USA 2003
4:2 Greece Open 2004 R16
1:3 China vs. World (team) 2004
1:4 Super Circuit JPN 2004 QF

 

[Friendshipper]

Samsonov vs. Wang Liqin

7:7

3:1 WTTC 1997 R16
0:3 Japan Open 1997
3:1 Swedish Open 1997 R16
3:1 Grand Finals 1997 Final
3:1 Qatar Open 1998 QF
0:3 Grand Finals 1998 R16
2:3 Grand Finals 2000 QF
4:0 World Cup 2001 Final
0:3 China vs. World 2005 (team)
3:4 World Cup 2006 Bronze medal match
0:4 World Cup 2007 Groups
4:3 French Open 2007 QF
1:3 Euro-Asia Challenge (team) 2010
2:1 China Masters Changshu (team) 2015

 

[Friendshipper]

Samsonov vs. Liu Guoliang

4:4

3:0 Italian Open 1994 R16
0:3 WTTC 1994 QF
0:2 World Cup 1996 Groups
2:0 All Stars Circuit 1996 SF
3:1 World Cup 1997 QF
3:0 Grand Finals 1997 QF
2:3 German Open 1999 Final
1:3 Brazil Open 2000 Final