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@PenHoldSandro : You made two threads for the exact same subject and the exact same videos.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

I have merged them into one thread.
Oh, my bad, I didn't know that. Thanks for merging them!
I also think you should know, you got some good information. Too much information will do the opposite of help you. You need to work on one thing at a time. I think this is simply a distraction from what you need to work on.

The footage shows that you need to work on very simple fundamental skills. What you are doing by continuing to solicit more advice when you already have way too many things you have been told you need to work on is insuring that you won't work on anything useful.

Guys, I wouldn't get trolled into trying to help the kid when the kid already has so much advice it would take him years to get to half of it. :)

Sandro, I appreciate you are young and impatient. But you have to work on one thing at a time. And your video footage shows that what you are doing is not training but goofing around without really being able to pay attention to what you are doing because of all the stuff going on around you as you are goofing around on the table.
Ok man, thanks for the tips!
hey sandro. when i first read your posts I thought you were a more advanced player than me but I guessed wrong *no offence* im also a penhold player trying to improve and u also have a coach and I know sometimes it feels good to get some advice from others too so I'm gonna try my best to analyze your video :) .

while it is true you should not focus on your wrist movement for now, try getting more wrist only on the serves. don't use your wrist for pushes and other things (for now)

I also saw that in your backhand serve you did not cut the ball you just gave it a flat hit and it went on the net. you should work on just one of your serves for now.

you also need to fix your forehand form it looks really weird and its putting you off balance
your legs are also all over the place you aren't keeping them wide enough and you aren't bending down enough

also you bend your body away from the ball when doing forehand. its something even I did while I was pretty new to the game. just do more multiball training and single ball training to improve it.

i noticed that your elbow is going up with your racket while making forehand shots.

dude just look at some players practicing forehand and ask your coach to guide you to fix your forehand.

when you use your backhand you are keeping your racket angle the opposite way that it is supposed to be. idk how to put this into words but try putting pressure on your index finger and keep your thumb at the handle while doing backhand.

also I think you should switch your rubber Volant Phoenix rubber is generally not considered suitable for beginners so try out something like xiom vega x or xiom omega. just use some slower europian rubbers for now
I looked at the threads of Sandro and he seemed like a pretty good player because of the theory he had. It was a bit shocking for me to see that he is still just a newbie :)

Btw was the advice I gave him valid? I want to know from other people too
For the "seemed like a pretty good player" aspects, I was actually using the information I knew, and just merged them together. I know about theory (a tiny bit), but since table tennis was the first sport I decided to pursue, and I have a history of bad coordination, it's only natural for me to progress quite slow compared to people who plays sports a lot. I'm more of a brains guy, I guess. Anywho, thank you for the great tips you all gave me, really appreciate it!

PS: I've also been told I was a good teacher, so maybe that adds to the equation :)
Btw was the advice I gave him valid? I want to know from other people too
You're the more advanced player here, as long as you stated your experiences, it should be at least decent advice.
 
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Oh, my bad, I didn't know that. Thanks for merging them!

Ok man, thanks for the tips!


For the "seemed like a pretty good player" aspects, I was actually using the information I knew, and just merged them together. I know about theory (a tiny bit), but since table tennis was the first sport I decided to pursue, and I have a history of bad coordination, it's only natural for me to progress quite slow compared to people who plays sports a lot. I'm more of a brains guy, I guess. Anywho, thank you for the great tips you all gave me, really appreciate it!

PS: I've also been told I was a good teacher, so maybe that adds to the equation :)

You're the more advanced player here, as long as you stated your experiences, it should be at least decent advice.
Also I’m not someone you should take advice from. You seem to be way older than me so you should be able to work things out with your coach. Also is your coach ittf certified? It does not matter tbh. Tbh I agree with upside down carl. You are spending too much time getting theory on different things without focusing on one. Just focus on your forehand and backhand counter hit for a while (like 2-3 weeks) and then record a proper video in a place that has more space. Also we need to be able to see the board and ball properly to give pointers.
 
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I looked at the threads of Sandro and he seemed like a pretty good player because of the theory he had. It was a bit shocking for me to see that he is still just a newbie :)

You would be amazed at how frequently this is the case. It is one of the reasons I would encourage everyone to post footage.

It helps everyone actually know who they are giving advice to and who is trying to give them advice.

 
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I assume you have deliberately chosen to let it bounce 2x instead of 1x. What was the reason for 2x vs 1x?
(I sometimes do this practice when alone. Haven't thought about bouncing it 2x)

I would not have explained that I let the ball bounce 2x if I did not do it on purpose.

How about you watch the video, watch my timing, how relaxed it is and how it has a rhythm to it. Notice the ball is bouncing towards the back of the table. Notice that is as close to how you would hit if you had the ball lined up well as you could possibly get from self hitting.

Now try doing it that way and tell me some of the reasons I may be doing it that way.

Think about it and tell me why you think I am doing it that way.

Also, when you do it and the ball bounces on the table only one time, is it rushed? Can you take a nice backswing? Can you get your body in rhythm with the contact of the ball? For multiball feed, one bounce or no bounce. But you are not trying to work on your full body stroke mechanics when you are feeding multiball to someone else.

Also, you took one sentence out of context: read the rest of what I wrote in that paragraph and tell me if some of it is explained in the rest of what I wrote about the bouncing 2x:

"I am letting the ball bounce 2x before I hit it. I am not letting the ball bounce too much higher than the net. I am letting the ball bounce towards the back end of the table (not straight up and down), so the timing is not all that different from when a slower ball is coming at you."
 
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You don’t have a proper forehand form so trying to loop without knowing how to counter hit will slow your progress and with your current form of forehand you will injure yourself
Fair enough
Also I’m not someone you should take advice from. You seem to be way older than me so you should be able to work things out with your coach. Also is your coach ittf certified? It does not matter tbh. Tbh I agree with upside down carl. You are spending too much time getting theory on different things without focusing on one. Just focus on your forehand and backhand counter hit for a while (like 2-3 weeks) and then record a proper video in a place that has more space. Also we need to be able to see the board and ball properly to give pointers.
How old are you? I just started my teen years :D (not exactly 13 on the dot, but close to it)
You would be amazed at how frequently this is the case. It is one of the reasons I would encourage everyone to post footage.

It helps everyone actually know who they are giving advice to and who is trying to give them advice.

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I would not have explained that I let the ball bounce 2x if I did not do it on purpose.

How about you watch the video, watch my timing, how relaxed it is and how it has a rhythm to it. Notice the ball is bouncing towards the back of the table.
Yes, I missed that one sentence where you mentioned you were bouncing the ball towards you (not just vertically). Once I saw that, everything fell into place.
 
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