Is Ai Fukuhara a Villain?

[Dominikk85]

We only can speculate. Maybe she does have mental issues or wants revenge on him. Or she could be a victim of domestic violence and just try to run away from him. Whatever it is, it sucks for the kids but we shouldn't speculate without knowing all the details.

 

[NextLevel]

We only can speculate. Maybe she does have mental issues or wants revenge on him. Or she could be a victim of domestic violence and just try to run away from him. Whatever it is, it sucks for the kids but we shouldn't speculate without knowing all the details.

Yeah, the two court rulings that order her to obey the joint custody should just be ignored because people who claim she is terribly wrong not to follow them don't have all the information. Good point.

 

[JJ Ng]

We only can speculate. Maybe she does have mental issues or wants revenge on him. Or she could be a victim of domestic violence and just try to run away from him. Whatever it is, it sucks for the kids but we shouldn't speculate without knowing all the details.

Finally somebody brought it up. I was not going to talk about it but let us just say that mental illness in general is pretty common... Mental illness does not discriminate if you are rich or poor. Sometimes when people's actions cannot be explained by logic, it is because logic does not apply here.

Also if you talk to a divorce lawyer, he/she will say often the crazier party wins (crazy in the common sense, not like someone is mentally ill or psychotic per se). The divorce can often be dragged on into infinity. Usually the more sensible parent will give up and wil make concessions here and there (be it asset division, spousal support or physical custory of the kids) so the divorce can finally be finalized. People want to move on at this point.

Chiang wanted to move on. Ai-chan going back to Japan and doing whatever she wanted to do has become none of Chiang's business. Ai-chan asking for the son to visit and then kidnapping the son is asking for more drama.

That's why in this situation, a couple of the people posting here (including me), we can clearly see who is the more responsible, sensible parent. It is not even close.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

after 7 pages of this thread, i think we now all agree

 

[pingpongpaddy]

We only can speculate. Maybe she does have mental issues or wants revenge on him. Or she could be a victim of domestic violence and just try to run away from him. Whatever it is, it sucks for the kids but we shouldn't speculate without knowing all the details.

Or she could be a mother who is in a difficult situation and loves her very young son, like most mothers do. Did that occur to you?

 

[NextLevel]

Or she could be a mother who is in a difficult situation and loves her very young son, like most mothers do. Did that occur to you?

And her love for her son (which for some reason does not carry over to her daughter, whom she has left with the father) led her to keep him away from her father, which is how good and normal mothers act?

The lengths to which people are going to white knight this lady are amazing.

 

[NextLevel]

after 7 pages of this thread, i think we now all agree

I wish. People still believe amazing things in the name of a purported fairness.

 

[ttmonster]

after 7 pages of this thread, i think we now all agree

If truth is the loudest voice in the room , you guys have convincingly proven that she is villain and most likely literally a "crazy rich celebrity" who is taking advantage of this situation to stoke her ego with scant regard to the child's well being:

But to just complete the news so far divulged here is the full text of Ai Fukuhara’s statement in response to the press conference :

“I was surprised to learn that Mr. Chiang Hung-chieh issued a statement on the evening of the 26th, announcing an international press conference today (27th), accusing his ex-wife, Ms. Ai Fukuhara, of maliciously losing contact while residing in Japan. I, as the attorney appointed by Ms. Fukuhara, am handling the family matter between Ms. Ai Fukuhara and Mr. Chiang Hung-chieh that is currently being heard in courts in Japan and Hsinchu, Taiwan. On March 27, 2023, at 10 am, the presiding judge at the Hsinchu District Court in Taiwan informed us that we should not publicly discuss the content of this family matter. I urge Mr. Chiang Hung-chieh not to violate the judge’s request and respectfully ask media friends to abide by the Child and Youth Welfare and Rights Protection Act and other regulations, and not to report or record content that may reveal or identify the identity of minors related to this family matter.”
source : https://www.cmgm.net/chiang-hung-chieh-confronts-ex-wife-ai-fukuhara/


The funny things is that all major news outlets like AP only mention the existence of the statement in passing and never gives the actual text except this one.
Even if we assume she is the only party to blame in this situation as most of you have been doing so far , don't you think its unfair to only represent one side of the dispute in detail and not give credence to the other side ?

Its funny nobody here is considering the possibility that because Japan bans dual custody may be this course of action is what Ai's lawyer might have asked her to pursue in the hopes of getting their version of fair judgement in Taiwanese court.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Or she could be a mother who is in a difficult situation and loves her very young son, like most mothers do. Did that occur to you?

What you saying is possible

However, Ai posted her trip to Japan when the son was 1 year old.
Ai herself made the world know how busy she was setting up her new company and spent months in Japan.

Its great to have career women, who also put family on a very high priority, but Chiang was the "stay at home" father, looking after both kids when Ai was away. Both people's social media confirmed Ai being away a lot, if you followed both of them during that time.

We don't know when Ai's affair started, but she was in Japan for months and when the news broke, she didn't return to Taiwan (this is a fact). She probably didn't see her son for over a year, maybe towards 18 months (and also the daughter too).

So, trying to paint her as a perfect loving mom, does make it a bit difficult for me to accept.

Ai went to Singapore Smash earlier this year. Media spoted the son in Singapore too.
Ai was at the tournament the whole day long for the whole week. No one can confirm if the son was at mom's work or somewhere else.
Ai is a very busy person, as WTT GM is not a easy task and require to be traveling a lot.
Ai's mom isn't mobile and I'm sure Ai can afford baby sitter.
How Ai raise her son, oblivious isn't my business.

I would love my kids to see me a lot more often.
But if I need to go on business trips, and my son has school to attend.... hm.. I wouldn't want to affect my kids school participation because of my trips.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Its funny nobody here is considering the possibility that because Japan bans dual custody may be this course of action is what Ai's lawyer might have asked her to pursue in the hopes of getting their version of fair judgement in Taiwanese court.

You obviously didn't watch the video I posted.
Ai applied for full custody of the son with Japanese court the moment Chiang lost contact with his son (the press conference gave the exact date of Ai's action)
The same time, Chiang's lawyer applied for the son to be returned (the press conference gave the exact date of this action).

a year later (20 July 2023), the court has decided that the son must be returned to Chiang.
the press conference was on 27 July, 1 week after Ai failed to return the son.

So Chiang and Ai should respect Taiwans court, but only Chiang to respect Japans court?
Well, its court battle non-stop by the look of it.

in the press conference, you can see that there is a possiblity that the son is no longer in Japan.

Why play hide and seek when both courts say Chiang is at the utmost least, have rights to see his son? Who gave Ai the right to take Chiang's right away?

 

[NextLevel]

If truth is the loudest voice in the room , you guys have convincingly proven that she is villain and most likely literally a "crazy rich celebrity" who is taking advantage of this situation to stoke her ego with scant regard to the child's well being:

But to just complete the news so far divulged here is the full text of Ai Fukuhara’s statement in response to the press conference :

“I was surprised to learn that Mr. Chiang Hung-chieh issued a statement on the evening of the 26th, announcing an international press conference today (27th), accusing his ex-wife, Ms. Ai Fukuhara, of maliciously losing contact while residing in Japan. I, as the attorney appointed by Ms. Fukuhara, am handling the family matter between Ms. Ai Fukuhara and Mr. Chiang Hung-chieh that is currently being heard in courts in Japan and Hsinchu, Taiwan. On March 27, 2023, at 10 am, the presiding judge at the Hsinchu District Court in Taiwan informed us that we should not publicly discuss the content of this family matter. I urge Mr. Chiang Hung-chieh not to violate the judge’s request and respectfully ask media friends to abide by the Child and Youth Welfare and Rights Protection Act and other regulations, and not to report or record content that may reveal or identify the identity of minors related to this family matter.”
source : https://www.cmgm.net/chiang-hung-chieh-confronts-ex-wife-ai-fukuhara/


The funny things is that all major news outlets like AP only mention the existence of the statement in passing and never gives the actual text except this one.
Even if we assume she is the only party to blame in this situation as most of you have been doing so far , don't you think its unfair to only represent one side of the dispute in detail and not give credence to the other side ?

Its funny nobody here is considering the possibility that because Japan bans dual custody may be this course of action is what Ai's lawyer might have asked her to pursue in the hopes of getting their version of fair judgement in Taiwanese court.

Maybe because when there are three lawyers at a press conference, they know what they are doing when they are making something public and that nothing they did at the conference was in violation of the judge's order, which they were asked about at the press conference that you watched?

 

[ttmonster]

Maybe because when there are three lawyers at a press conference, they know what they are doing when they are making something public and that nothing they did at the conference was in violation of the judge's order, which they were asked about at the press conference that you watched?

Right, the three laweyer's representing Chiang are model of honesty and fairness and the lawyer writing AI's statement in response is not . You keep making very rational arguments !

 

[ttmonster]

You obviously didn't watch the video I posted.
Ai applied for full custody of the son with Japanese court the moment Chiang lost contact with his son (the press conference gave the exact date of Ai's action)
The same time, Chiang's lawyer applied for the son to be returned (the press conference gave the exact date of this action).

a year later (20 July 2023), the court has decided that the son must be returned to Chiang.
the press conference was on 27 July, 1 week after Ai failed to return the son.

So Chiang and Ai should respect Taiwans court, but only Chiang to respect Japans court?
Well, its court battle non-stop by the look of it.

in the press conference, you can see that there is a possiblity that the son is no longer in Japan.

Why play hide and seek when both courts say Chiang is at the utmost least, have rights to see his son? Who gave Ai the right to take Chiang's right away?

your video represents one side of the story , i presented the other side. Why do you guys think what Chiang is saying is the only truth and Ai Fukuhara has no credence.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

your video represents one side of the story , i presented the other side. Why do you guys think what Chiang is saying is the only truth and Ai Fukuhara has no credence.

did yours share anything on Ai's team comment on the Japans court order? or only of something that in March 2023, of which Chiang's team didn't violate in the video?

Chiang team didn't go and talk about Taiwan's court proceedings, but talk about the Japanese court order and allowed for Q&A in regards with that.

The court has spoken, this isn't speculation unless you feel the court also only had one side of the story?
I would choose to believe that the Japanese court, would have look at both parties evidence before coming to such verdict.

 

[ttmonster]

did yours share anything on Ai's team comment on the Japans court order? or only of something that in March 2023, of which Chiang's team didn't violate in the video?

Chiang team didn't go and talk about Taiwan's court proceedings, but talk about the Japanese court order and allowed for Q&A in regards with that.

The court has spoken, this isn't speculation.

Each party will shine a light on what is favorable to them , why is that some thing surprising to you ? Chiang's lawyers will point to the Japanese order that is favorable to them, and Ai's lawyres will point to what is sub-judice . Or you have already decided what Ai's team is saying is completely made up ?

 

[NextLevel]

Right, the three laweyer's representing Chiang are model of honesty and fairness and the lawyer writing AI's statement in response is not . You keep making very rational arguments !

If what they are doing is violating their standing in court and in violation of a judge's orders, they are taking serious risks. That's the rational argument. You don't have to care about their honesty to know that.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Each party will shine a light on what is favorable to them , why is that some thing surprising to you ? Chiang's lawyers will point to the Japanese order that is favorable to them, and Ai's lawyres will point to what is sub-judice . Or you have already decided what Ai's team is saying is completely made up ?

Of course both party will say what works for them.
All I know is Ai's team has been dead quiet on Japan's court order for 2 weeks now.
And why you assume I said Ai's team made up things? They said jack all for 2 weeks on this matter, and the media has asked them to comment many times already.
Are you pointing out that I made up the thing that they have been dead quiet? If I am lying, please show me what they have commented?

and if you read my earlier post, I said Chiang has been dead quiet on this matter until 26 July 2023 when they annouce the court order and Ai failing to act and they will hold press conference on the court order.
Chiang didn't violate the March 2023 court order, he didn't go and cry in the media that he is struggling between March and now, and he sure didn't leak that Ai is seeking full custody in Japan, and ignoring Taiwan's court order.

In fact I saw him at the end of April and he sat next to me to tell the other coach that he has to go back and work to help cover his expenses.
Now I can see why he needs the extra income

 

[Opinari]

ttmonster - not attacking you personally, but that's a Taiwan court order from March.

We don't know the entire story here, but even if we take both sides as true, Chiang breaching a general court order for confidentiality from five months ago is way less worse than Fukuhara unlawfully holding a child for even a week (much less what sounds like a year). Candidly, if any father or mother were in Chiang's shoes, I don't think they would wait for the Taiwan court to remove the order.

Listen, I don't want to believe that Fukuhara did all of this, but in the end, it's yet another reminder that we shouldn't idolize athletes. I also have to remind myself that we should be slow to condemn and quick to understand - nice, charming people can make big mistakes or have terrible judgment or have mental illness.

 

[ttmonster]

ttmonster - not attacking you personally, but that's a Taiwan court order from March.

We don't know the entire story here, but even if we take both sides as true, Chiang breaching a general court order for confidentiality from five months ago is way less worse than Fukuhara unlawfully holding a child for even a week (much less what sounds like a year). Candidly, if any father or mother were in Chiang's shoes, I don't think they would wait for the Taiwan court to remove the order.

Listen, I don't want to believe that Fukuhara did all of this, but in the end, it's yet another reminder that we shouldn't idolize athletes. I also have to remind myself that we should be slow to condemn and quick to understand - nice, charming people can make big mistakes or have terrible judgment or have mental illness.

I am not idolizing anybody here , I have no major disagreement with what you are saying. My argument all along was that we don't know the complete story and probably never will . So lets not be the judge and jury and mental health expert . Its just an unfortunate situation and we should just hope that the child comes out of this with the least possible mental trauma.
Unless one of the parties irrefutable evidence of criminal activity like domestic abuse, both sides are victims and we should just leave it at that instead of calling one of them villain.

 

[ttmonster]

Of course both party will say what works for them.
All I know is Ai's team has been dead quiet on Japan's court order for 2 weeks now.
And why you assume I said Ai's team made up things? They said jack all for 2 weeks on this matter, and the media has asked them to comment many times already.
Are you pointing out that I made up the thing that they have been dead quiet? If I am lying, please show me what they have commented?

and if you read my earlier post, I said Chiang has been dead quiet on this matter until 26 July 2023 when they annouce the court order and Ai failing to act and they will hold press conference on the court order.
Chiang didn't violate the March 2023 court order, he didn't go and cry in the media that he is struggling between March and now, and he sure didn't leak that Ai is seeking full custody in Japan, and ignoring Taiwan's court order.

In fact I saw him at the end of April and he sat next to me to tell the other coach that he has to go back and work to help cover his expenses.
Now I can see why he needs the extra income

I never said you lied, I said you already decided. You are the one who started this by suggesting that I did not see your one hour video of Chiang's lawyers .