Is Ai Fukuhara a Villain?

[pingpongpaddy]

AI and her husband may owe explanations to family friends and appropriate authorities in Japan and Taipei. Above all there are children to care for
But to those people in this thread who have made insinuations and passed judgement without proof, Ai and her husband owe nothing to people who have just indulged themselves at the expense of her reputation without any proof

 

[NextLevel]

AI and her husband may owe explanations to family friends and appropriate authorities in Japan and Taipei. Above all there are children to care for
But to those people in this thread who have made insinuations and passed judgement without proof, Ai and her husband owe nothing to people who have just indulged themselves at the expense of her reputation without any proof

So you have proof that the press reports are wrong? Care to share? I would have thought the press reports and the court judgment are enough for people to form a reasonable conclusion, just as we do in most spheres in life.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

So you have proof that the press reports are wrong? Care to share? I would have thought the press reports and the court judgment are enough for people to form a reasonable conclusion, just as we do in most spheres in life.

Why does he need proof to say that Ai and Chiang don't owe us any explanations.

I just posted video where the policy got a scenario completely wrong and it ended badly. I don't know if the courts got things right or wrong.

But why does PPP need proof of something to say that those two don't need to give explanations to us.

BTW: in the police cam video, it was in the guy's interest to give information; that he did caused the police officers to feel he was just a good guy dealing with an emotional and crazy woman. The girl did not feel it was in her interest to share information with the police. Think about it.

 

[NextLevel]

Why does he need proof to say that Ai and Chiang don't owe us any explanations.

I just posted video where the policy got a scenario completely wrong and it ended badly. I don't know if the courts got things right or wrong.

But why does PPP need proof of something to say that those two don't need to give explanations to us.

BTW: in the police cam video, it was in the guy's interest to give information; that he did caused the police officers to feel he was just a good guy dealing with an emotional and crazy woman. The girl did not feel it was in her interest to share information with the police. Think about it.

He does need proof to say that people have made insinuations and passed judgment *without proof*. Just as you are making insinuations based on things that may or may not apply to this case.

I have not watched the police cam video. But you pointed out that there were a lot of things that the police ignored. Which is often the case when people discuss these things retroactively. I guess the question is this: are you more informed if you say that the issue in the cam video is no one's business and we shouldn't discuss it (acknowledging that these are not public figures) because it is not our business? If so, why are you bringing it up?

 

[NextLevel]

I don't know what happened. And again, all I am saying is trying and think of it from her perspective. Just try.

Gabby Petito is not Ai Fukahara. But with the police right there, Gabby said it was all her fault. And the police missed every single cue that, despite what she said, she had been abused. They missed it. And even though the scenario is very different, I just think you guys might be missing some of the stuff that might cause Ai to do something so desperate.

We don't know why Ai isn't speaking. So all we can do is suspend judgement and let things play out.

If I was the father having my kid taken from me, of course I would be upset. But we just don't know what is going on from Ai's perspective. And we probably never will.

That is all I am asking you is to try and understand some of what may be going on for her.

Stockholm syndrome is a well known abuse phenomenon. I will find some time to watch the video but one of my favorite books is Gavin De Becker's "The Gift of Fear".

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

It’s very easy to understand Carl if you had interest at what’s going on in Japan. Japan is not the US nor a European country.

People behave differently and have different priors. Law is different .

Ai just thinks like 90% of Japanese women that in such circumstances fathers don’t have any more rights. She behaved like most Japanese women would and kidnapped her child, defying international laws as she knows that in Japan she is far from the reach of Taiwan law, and that time plays in her favor.

There is an estimated 150,000 children abducted in Japan - a year ?

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when Japanese moms accept dads see their children, for them it’s like they’re making a favor.

Often, they would do that only if they get money for them or the child.
Because on the other hand there is no alimony payment in Japan. Marital assets are divided at divorce but there is no further payment ordered. So it’s an open door for negotiation.

Frenchman in Tokyo ends hunger strike over his 'abducted' children - France 24

Frenchman in Tokyo ends hunger strike over his 'abducted' children

www.france24.com

 

[TensorBackhand]

It’s very easy to understand Carl if you had interest at what’s going on in Japan. Japan is not the US nor a European country.

People behave differently and have different priors. Law is different .

Ai just thinks like 90% of Japanese women that in such circumstances fathers don’t have any more rights. She behaved like most Japanese women would and kidnapped her child, defying international laws as she knows that in Japan she is far from the reach of Taiwan law, and that time plays in her favor.

There is an estimated 150,000 children abducted in Japan - a year ???

Frenchman in Tokyo ends hunger strike over his 'abducted' children - France 24

Frenchman in Tokyo ends hunger strike over his 'abducted' children

www.france24.com

yes, given the known facts, this is probably the most likely explanation.

 

[NextLevel]

It’s very easy to understand Carl if you had interest at what’s going on in Japan. Japan is not the US nor a European country.

People behave differently and have different priors. Law is different .

Ai just thinks like 90% of Japanese women that in such circumstances fathers don’t have any more rights. She behaved like most Japanese women would and kidnapped her child, defying international laws as she knows that in Japan she is far from the reach of Taiwan law, and that time plays in her favor.

There is an estimated 150,000 children abducted in Japan - a year ???

Frenchman in Tokyo ends hunger strike over his 'abducted' children - France 24

Frenchman in Tokyo ends hunger strike over his 'abducted' children

www.france24.com

I am not entirely sure Japan is unique in making women defacto bearers of custody rights, women usually have the advantage in such situations for a variety of reasons in US law, though some states are friendlier to fathers than others. But I have heard that usually, a lot of Japanese law/custom is very pro-citizen/pro-nation in a way that would be fairly alien to people who live in a melting pot like the USA or Australia.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I am not entirely sure Japan is unique in making women defacto bearers of custody rights, women usually have the advantage in such situations for a variety of reasons in US law, though some states are friendlier to fathers than others. But I have heard that usually, a lot of Japanese law/custom is very pro-citizen/pro-nation in a way that would be fairly alien to people who live in a melting pot like the USA or Australia.

There are always special cases where the father gets custody. It is well known for example that former prime minister Junichiro Koizumi raised his son after his divorce. I don’t know how it happened.

So it’s not « written » in the law that mom has custody. It’s just what happens.
The reason why sole custody is the norm in Japan is because it is (was) believed it’s the best way to protect the children

 

[darkmoor1]

My question is: why is EmRatThich putting this out as if he knows what he is talking about.

And a lot of this sounds like: "guilty until proven innocent!"

Despite a lot of media coverage, we can't really know what happened between two people. Parenting and human emotions are much more complicated than anyone here is taking into account. If any of you are married and have had a complicated relationship and kids, you should know that family and relationships are complicated. Anyone who has a family (all of us have a family in one way or another) should know, family can simply be complicated.

But I will put money on it that the reason ERT is putting this silly nonsense out has a term for it: "CLICKBAIT".

So the question is: is TensorBH putting this out because he wants answers......or for the same reason that ERT put it out.....Is MZ trolling the forum with this emotionally charged issue?

I dare to believe it is clear for most people following Emrartrich that he loves the money from his site and social media traffic

 

[ttmonster]

That's one view. Another is that human beings naturally discuss what is in the public domain. This is true for the wealthy, the leaders, the celebrities. It is part od how a society functions and learns.

As for no one being born evil, that is one view of human nature. There are others, empirically grounded, that show that things may not be that simple. And regardless of whether there is good or evil in someone, the idea that one cannot discuss celebrities is just weird to me. You can surely empathize and withhold judgement as you please. You can also discuss and learn from others and hopefully find lessons that may or may not apply to your circumstances. Or would you prefer that they make a movie and we discuss that?

One doesn't have to discuss. I just don't understand the idea that discussing the news is something perverted. Especially if one is going to read autobiographies and watch movies and TV series after the fact. Or vote for leaders etc.

But it is okay to disagree. I don't gossip as much as I am a defender of free speech. And generally not a fan of holier than thou attitudes that try to restrict it as a learning tool.

*** Disclaimer : I did not want to respond to your post but since you are choosing to double down on your position I will risk getting attacked by the moral junta here ... so here it goes ...

I think the point you are trying to to make is that there are different views and there should be freedom of speech. I don't disagree. The point both Carl and I were trying to make is that this is not an informed discussion about a celebrity where the news is well researched and objective. If we were discussing about the moral dilemma of Oppenheimer or discussing the apparent psychopathic tendencies of Steve jobs well documented in his biography commissioned and vetted by none other than SJ himself , you have a very good point.

This entire discussion is based on ERT's videos and tabloid journalism . ERT is the biggest click bait there is in the table tennis youtuber community , I think you would agree , and tabloid journalism , well the name explains itself.

You speak about learning and applying to your circumstances, the pearls of wisdom I found in this thread .. and I quote :

Of course Ai thinks she is the victim. First she is the mother. Second, had Chiang and she lived in Japan she would have won the sole custody.

But they lived in Taiwan and the Taiwanese law is the applicable law. That’s basically what the Japanese court convened else Fukuhara would have had both children.

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And as a fellow man I’m siding with the father of course in this story

Apparently the situation is akin to something like a France vs Brazil soccer world cup final and no matter how dirty your nation's team plays you have to support them because you are from that country.

I have another Japanese female friend who just last week said she is contemplating getting a divorce lawyer. I didn't push her too hard on it, but I wonder what she thinks would become of her daughter. she has no money, no job, she's just a housewife. The father works, pays mortgage, etc. I think she just assumes that she deserves to take the kid with her

So it seems if you work and pay for the mortgage etc. you automatically get the right of keeping the custody of kids no matter what.
Also, what is getting missed in this entire dribble is the abhorrent cultural misogyny that has been practiced by centuries in the Japanese society. Whether you like it or not if you are representing a section of a society that has historically abused another section you have to pay reparations for it in some form or another ..

Is Fukuharu's privacy really all that important when the issue at hand is that she abducted a child illegally and should be pressured to the child to the rightful parent?

A self proclaimed expert in family law is first claiming that privacy is not important and that there was an illegal abduction. Where is the abduction here ? There is a dispute over custody rights which is complicated due to the international nature of the marriage and the fall out from the divorce . Does being an expert in law give you automatic right to be the judge and the jury ? I thought those were different functions in the legal system. Probably I don't know enough.
@NextLevel : Care to comment on these pearls of knowledge and how they are enriching our lives ?


If you tell me this is another of your academic exercises where you frequently take up an untenable position and continue to argue just to see how far you can take it , happy to indulge you ... I just don't know how you see freedom of speech here , all I see is a tremendous about of subverted misogyny .

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

It’s not complicated. In matters of divorce the applicable law is the law where the family was living.

Even if you’re 2 US nationals living in London, and divorcing in London then the UK law would be applicable.

 

[ttmonster]

It’s not complicated. In matters of divorce the applicable law is the law where the family was living.

Even if you’re 2 US nationals living in London, and divorcing in London then the UK law would be applicable.

You probably missed it "And as a fellow man I’m siding with the father of course in this story"
this is what I was referring to and marked it in bold not the rest of it. Just wanted to not take the quote out of context , hence ...

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

In practice, Japanese divorce less than in the US or Europe.
One reason is that divorce is socially shunned. Another is the lack of alimony payments and of course another is father who still want to see their children.

This last point only delay divorces…

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Yes I’ve seen around me too many Japanese women abusing their men… Ai Chan is just another one of them.

Many children know the truth when they grow up and then only fathers get their revenge when children turn against their mom then. But all this is just fucking them up

For four years, Catherine has fought Japan's highest court to be reunited with her children

Japan's sole custody laws have long been criticised for incentivising child abduction, but the system may be about to change, with Australia playing a key role behind the scenes.

www.abc.net.au

Now from the Japanese point of view , Fukuhara is the villain. Why ?
Because she was the one faulting and having an extra martial affair causing divorce.

And now because she is disobeying the law. Despite the Taiwanese law being contradictory with the Japanese law, not following the law is badly seen in Japan. In d&d it’s a « lawful neutral » country

By creating this international scandal she is putting attention on Japan and causing shame to the country that’s why she’s seen as the villain.

The child story is almost secondary in this line of reasoning

 

[zeio]

What is up with her relationship with Oya Hidetoshi that got him expelled from JNT?

Probably for a similar reason that got Uda and Nagasaki a 3-month suspension from the JOC Elite Academy, but I should've stressed that it's all just rumors. I can't remember the details as I didn't really look into it but like I said, it was so widely reported that you couldn't ignore it (it kept being brought up over the years whenever Fukuhara's private life was in the spotlight).

Took me a good while to dig up the remnants below.

「福原愛が大家の子を妊娠していた！」by週刊新潮
https://schiphol.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1219748144/

「妊娠説」まで流れた福原愛「幼なじみの恋人」
https://iss.ndl.go.jp/books/R000000004-I9611247-00?ar=4e1f

福原愛恋人が発覚？　お相手は“幼なじみ”の卓球王子
http://jpop.mero.jp/tpd_5006.html

福原爱被曝名花有主 男友大矢英俊是高中同学
http://news.cctv.com/world/20080912/102442.shtml

福原爱不选中国老公 加盟广东新赛季做赔钱买卖
https://web.archive.org/web/20060401022659/http://sports.qq.com/a/20060228/000204.htm

 

[NextLevel]

*** Disclaimer : I did not want to respond to your post but since you are choosing to double down on your position I will risk getting attacked by the moral junta here ... so here it goes ...

I think the point you are trying to to make is that there are different views and there should be freedom of speech. I don't disagree. The point both Carl and I were trying to make is that this is not an informed discussion about a celebrity where the news is well researched and objective. If we were discussing about the moral dilemma of Oppenheimer or discussing the apparent psychopathic tendencies of Steve jobs well documented in his biography commissioned and vetted by none other than SJ himself , you have a very good point.

This entire discussion is based on ERT's videos and tabloid journalism . ERT is the biggest click bait there is in the table tennis youtuber community , I think you would agree , and tabloid journalism , well the name explains itself.

You speak about learning and applying to your circumstances, the pearls of wisdom I found in this thread .. and I quote :




Apparently the situation is akin to something like a France vs Brazil soccer world cup final and no matter how dirty your nation's team plays you have to support them because you are from that country.



So it seems if you work and pay for the mortgage etc. you automatically get the right of keeping the custody of kids no matter what.
Also, what is getting missed in this entire dribble is the abhorrent cultural misogyny that has been practiced by centuries in the Japanese society. Whether you like it or not if you are representing a section of a society that has historically abused another section you have to pay reparations for it in some form or another ..




A self proclaimed expert in family law is first claiming that privacy is not important and that there was an illegal abduction. Where is the abduction here ? There is a dispute over custody rights which is complicated due to the international nature of the marriage and the fall out from the divorce . Does being an expert in law give you automatic right to be the judge and the jury ? I thought those were different functions in the legal system. Probably I don't know enough.
@NextLevel : Care to comment on these pearls of knowledge and how they are enriching our lives ?


If you tell me this is another of your academic exercises where you frequently take up an untenable position and continue to argue just to see how far you can take it , happy to indulge you ... I just don't know how you see freedom of speech here , all I see is a tremendous about of subverted misogyny .

Well, the point of entering a discussion is that one is willing to discuss and one can stop discussing at any time. Since you consider my position untenable when I find it far from so, then maybe my response in a forum like this one is more for anyone who wants to read.

1. Takkyu lives in Japan and Tony comes from Taiwan. Zeio I believe lives in Hong Kong. I have maybe watched the ERT video once. The ERT video was not the first time I heard of this.

2. There is a whole history to men's rights activism based on the idea that feminism has gone too far in considering what men have done historically "misogyny". That discussion is too complicated to settle here and is probably in your view "untenable", since you consider how men have historically treated women to be a form of "abuse". The broad lines of the argument though are that as men took on the riskier and physical roles in society that required one to risk violence and death and women were traditionally the nurturers. Some of this has a basis in obvious biology, some of it in subtle biology. Right now, in some cases, women are talking about being abused when inequality obtains in a situation without looking at the context. I am not saying that there isn't nuance to the discussion, but your position might be that having the discussion is defacto "untenable".

3. A Japanese court has ruled against Fukuhara, She was at the very least in violation of the law of Taiwan and she is likely also in violation of the law in Japan. But at the risk of being accused of insinuating, we all know that money can buy the law, just ask Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Since all of the above is "untenable", it is not really a serious response to what you have written. It is more of an appeal to you to realize that even when others disagree with you on a complex issue, it is because it is a complex issue!

 

[TensorBackhand]

I really hope Ai's mother steps in and sets her daughter straight.

Has she met Ai's new husband? Does she approve of this man (who would cheat on his wife and divorce his wife to marry another)

 

[NextLevel]

It’s not complicated. In matters of divorce the applicable law is the law where the family was living.

Even if you’re 2 US nationals living in London, and divorcing in London then the UK law would be applicable.

Yes. A relative filed for divorce from her husband in the US and her husband in response filed for divorce in Nigeria. The choice of locations in both instances was clearly not an accident and was related to a property dispute.

 

[NextLevel]

I really hope Ai's mother steps in and sets her daughter straight.

Has she met Ai's new husband? Does she approve of this man (who would cheat on his wife and divorce his wife to marry another)

Bringing up issues like this is misogyny. Warning you in advance. If a man did this, would you feel the same way?