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And yet, did he ever have that “Imma just give up cuz i’m down by 5“ mindset?
Nah. He eas more like "I am too big amd slow to win". Again, treating youth as mature adults is bad form. The kid lost a 10-6 lead, that stuff bites you when you are young and usually win with ease
 
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Nah. He eas more like "I am too big amd slow to win". Again, treating youth as mature adults is bad form. The kid lost a 10-6 lead, that stuff bites you when you are young and usually win with ease
And I’m sure absolutely nobody blasted LJK for being too big and slow. I’m sure he never improved his physique and movement at all during his career (skinny LJK came out at times and was a BEAST).
 
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It's for the priceless expressions of both teams at the end that I play table tennis!

Indian commentator: "The Great Wall of China thwarts the Land of Rising Sun once more..."

The Youtube live stream is over 12 hours long (13:47:34) and the extra time doesn't get archived so the last 2 matches got cut off...
 
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Nah. He eas more like "I am too big amd slow to win". Again, treating youth as mature adults is bad form. The kid lost a 10-6 lead, that stuff bites you when you are young and usually win with ease
I've heard from more than one direct and reliable source that Sora is very conscious of his "idgaf I'll give up" attitude and is even somewhat boastful of it. Still just rumors to an extent but I'm not defending him on this one.
 
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I've heard from more than one direct and reliable source that Sora is very conscious of his "idgaf I'll give up" attitude and is even somewhat boastful of it. Still just rumors to an extent but I'm not defending him on this one.
If such rumours are true Shinozuka is gonna get picked for a second Olympics in a row
 
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If such rumours are true Shinozuka is gonna get picked for a second Olympics in a row
Not so sure about that for the Olympics. But the "rumors" are still someone's interpretation of what Sora told them directly so who knows, but those someones are people who know Sora and speak to him directly so there is clearly some truth to what we are all seeing.
 
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just don't bring the statistic, Shinozuka can't hold a candle against any of the three CNT players here. JNT wants to bring some surprise, but they well understand that whether they put him or Togami the third match is sure to be lost

Update: I take back my words, Lin was under immense pressure and Shinozuka might have a chance this time.

Update again: it was a good attempt by Shinozuka, if this's Japan lineup for LA then I have high expectations
Noted. The reason I believed in his chance is simple.

Shinozuka was in 2nd place on the selection standing for Paris 2024 until the herniated disc in 2023 wiped out his form, and only then Togami overtook him (here and here). Not unlike Uda (here).

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If table tennis were that easy to explain, the OP would've taken up the quest readily. It takes time and comprehension of the sport to build a "profile" of a player's background. CNT coaches keep mentioning the latter in reviews of matches and interviews for a reason and that's why I have made it a habit to keep quoting myself in every damn post to make abundantly clear where I am coming from rather than an ass pull (other than the stray members asking for the sources whenever I don't cite them). Using Togami and Uda as an example, I started posting about them on TTD around 2018 and writing about them extensively starting 2021. How many here can boast that? So why do we expect the fangirls to understand the sport when that's totally missing the point? They aren't all that different from those EJs with their passion for equipment.
 
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Be be fair Hiroto performed more consistently than Sora. Yes Hiroto ranked lower but I would say he already outperformed his level today.

Sora on the other hand just crumbled under pressure. His top spin shots went all over the place in the 5th game. LJK literally just played more gentle, placed the ball on the table and wait for Sora to hit the net or the sky.
There is a reason LJK is often referred as 'come back king'. Not only he has the mental toughness, his spin game is the main reason as well.
When the match goes to the decider, LJK will start to impact extra heavy spin on his top spin shots. Most good coaches know, when the game gets tight in the critical moment, what matters most is not who can hit winners but who can make fewer errors. In that case, spin is your best friend that helps make sure your shots land on the table and give the opponent something extra to handle at the same time.
Sora obviously didn't prepare this extra spin LJK gave him, he did his usual stuff. The result? He overshot most LJK's heavy spin off the table.

LJK has the powerful loop from both wings and you can see it from early games during a match. But when things get tight or his back is on the wall, he starts slowing the loop and brushing the ball heavy. If you don't play him often enough, it's not easy to handle this change. This is why his non-Chinese opponents often find him hard to kill and get outlasted.
 
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Not so sure about that for the Olympics. But the "rumors" are still someone's interpretation of what Sora told them directly so who knows, but those someones are people who know Sora and speak to him directly so there is clearly some truth to what we are all seeing.
Lol all jokes about the Olympics thing but yeah rumours are just rumours. One clear thing that no one can deny though is Sora's mentality is bad, even though a certain few people seem to try.
 
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Lol all jokes about the Olympics thing but yeah rumours are just rumours. One clear thing that no one can deny though is Sora's mentality is bad, even though a certain few people seem to try.
I would chalk it up to immaturity too, until I heard some of the Sora stories that I've heard from people I trust.
 
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Like their female compatriot team who beat China last time with Miwa as the brightest star, this time, Japanese male team seemed to be destined to the same miracle, especially they won the first two matches.

Well, fate said not this time and Japanese men just let the cooked duck fly away.

LSD, for all his recent struggles and vulnerabilities, turned out to be the hero who turned back a violent Japanese tidal waves. If the youngster could stand his ground, his senior teammates could do so as well. The result is the greatest come back for the team competition since Korean team's close loss to Chinese in LGL and KLH era.

What a team match!
 
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I haven't seen any news reporting it (haven't read the 5ch comments yet) but something seems wrong with Togami (he overtrained and fell ill ahead of WTTC 2024). This lineup could be once in a blue moon and Togami could've been in the lineup in the original plan. For that reason, Kishikawa's leadership is still a question mark.

Regardless, Togami's place in the pecking order is in real danger now. Shinozuka has a better prospect after this. Despite his win over WCQ, Matsushima still needs a lot of work (no real development if not for the "lift" by the Harimoto siblings) after yet again giving up like that against LJK, overly reliant on match flow and 毫無打逆風波能力/totally incapable of playing headwind matches. JTTA will need to come up with a selection system that favors him for LA28, given all those useless civil war kings around.

Beating China in team events is extraordinarily hard, where at least 2 players need to have an off day simultaneously for that to happen. Your odds decay exponentially once you fail to get them in straight matches. Winning 3-1 or 3-2 is probably even a rarer event than winning 3-0.

2025/10/2
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/china-smash-2025.37870/post-543607
Bicker and banter are all fun to explore, but their rivalry should be the last thing on their mind now. Matsushima is putting Togami's MS hope for LA28 in jeopardy for real as one Tieba user projected in late July (which you brushed off). Shinozuka should be concerned as well now.

It seems Ueda should reconsider "coloring Togami in his own way" after this. Qiu Jianxin is really something, bringing out the best of Uda in several months' time.

2025/8/20
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...sh-sweden-august-14-24-2025.35820/post-536869
No. Togami has not fulfilled his potential, whereas Uda's style dictates that he will not be as consistent but as Mizutani also admits, Japan needs someone explosive like Korea has, which is who?

2025/1/11
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...der-doha-2025-6-11-jan-2025.35821/post-502781
And winning a selection trial for once is not development? He has to compete against his teammates regardless of age. Harimoto, Uda and Togami all went through that.

Continuing from my previous post about Ishikawa and Hirano, Hayata lost to Ito in the final selection trial for WTTC 2018, lost to Kato in the final selection trial for WTTC 2019 and lost to Hirano in the final selection trial for WTTC 2020. All within 1 year of age difference. Losing in the first two practically cost Hayata the Tokyo 2020, not to mention Hirano giving up 250 pts at WTTC 2018 to Hayata cost her the WS. Hayata didn't win her first selection trials until ATTC 2021 and WTTC 2021, beating her teammates, old and young. Those are true development. Now, the prospect for LA 2028 for the 3 of the golden generation is pretty dim. Therefore, the argument about age is no excuse for not playing up to expectations, especially when Matsushima is using the resources/influence of the Harimoto siblings. Once again, there is no guarantee that Matsushima will definitely improve far beyond his current self at 21 and 25 when he displays world-weariness at 17.

2024/2/16
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...pionships-finals-busan-2024.32987/post-443481
It's possible to beat Chinese. It's nigh impossible to beat China. You need 9 games from at least 2 different players. And the last women to do so are ethnic Chinese. (Feng Tianwei and Wang Yuegu)

2019/11/11
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-race-to-tokyo-2020-singles.20935/post-295174
Theoretically, Ito and Hayata could play in both the doubles and singles, plus Hirano for another singles. Just like what CNT did in the final.

Either win 3-0 or lose 0-3. Like how Sweden did it in '89. Better than going in with a "I'll try to take 1 match" attitude.
 
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I've heard from more than one direct and reliable source that Sora is very conscious of his "idgaf I'll give up" attitude and is even somewhat boastful of it. Still just rumors to an extent but I'm not defending him on this one.
My point is that many such players manage these things as they get better. It is okay to not like the attitude but what I dont get is people writing him off for it. People don't beat Wang Chuqin regardless of attitude.
 
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I haven't seen any news reporting it (haven't read the 5ch comments yet) but something seems wrong with Togami (he overtrained and fell ill ahead of WTTC 2024). This lineup could be once in a blue moon and Togami could've been in the lineup in the original plan. For that reason, Kishikawa's leadership is still a question mark.

Regardless, Togami's place in the pecking order is in real danger now. Shinozuka has a better prospect after this. Despite his win over WCQ, Matsushima still needs a lot of work (no real development if not for the "lift" by the Harimoto siblings) after yet again giving up like that against LJK, overly reliant on match flow and 毫無打逆風波能力/totally incapable of playing headwind matches. JTTA will need to come up with a selection system that favors him for LA28, given all those useless civil war kings around.

Beating China in team events is extraordinarily hard, where at least 2 players need to have an off day simultaneously for that to happen. Your odds decay exponentially once you fail to get them in straight matches. Winning 3-1 or 3-2 is probably even a rarer event than winning 3-0.

2025/10/2
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/china-smash-2025.37870/post-543607


2025/8/20
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...sh-sweden-august-14-24-2025.35820/post-536869


2025/1/11
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...der-doha-2025-6-11-jan-2025.35821/post-502781


2024/2/16
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...pionships-finals-busan-2024.32987/post-443481


2019/11/11
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-race-to-tokyo-2020-singles.20935/post-295174
Let me get this straight. A guy with a record of struggling to play touhh matches beats the World's best player in a tough match and then loses a tough match after blowing 4 game points to get a 2-0 lead in the second and he is 18 years old and the narrative you want to pull is that he has shown no real progress and still needs a lot of work?

I guess i am the only one willing to die on this hill but that is complete nonsense.

When this happens at 18, you consider it a developmental issue that continues to be managed for growth and mitigation.
 
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I see many on TTD are quick to gang up on Sora, and I get it. Yes, he needs to work on his fighting spirit when down. But only 2 other non-Chinese players this year beat WCQ: Tomo and Hugo. Hiroto Shinozuka played WCQ once and the match ended 3-0 (6,3,6). Togami is 0-6 vs. WCQ and won a total of 2 *games* in those 6 matches. Prior to today Sora lost WCQ 3 times: 1-4,1-3,2-3. The win over WCQ will for sure give him confidence, and he will need it to challenge China.
 
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My point is that many such players manage these things as they get better. It is okay to not like the attitude but what I dont get is people writing him off for it. People don't beat Wang Chuqin regardless of attitude.
Well I didn't write him off or see comments on the thread that did, maybe another thread I haven't read is being referenced. But there is a big difference between folding under the pressure unintentionally versus intentionally. Unfixable, of course not, but legitimate cause for concern especially when it's coming out of his own camp, definitely.
 
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Well I didn't write him off or see comments on the thread that did, maybe another thread I haven't read is being referenced. But there is a big difference between folding under the pressure unintentionally versus intentionally. Unfixable, of course not, but legitimate cause for concern especially when it's coming out of his own camp, definitely.
It has always been a cause for concern. But in today's match, his natural body's language issue was completely understandable and his regression completely justifiable given how he felt about games 2 and 4. Its like saying you have an alcoholic whose wife just died and he relapses after 2 years sober and you go "No way he should have done that". He messed up and will continue to work.
 
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