ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup Macao 2025, 4/14-20

[NextLevel]

Haha - Han Ying getting the service faults on Odo lol...

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

The camera angle used on the challenge of Odo's serve was way to the right. It's very hard not to be hidden using that angle. In any case, Odo is boss against choppers. Odo has secured game 3.

 

[NextLevel]

The camera angle used on the challenge of Odo's serve was way to the right. It's very hard not to be hidden using that angle. In any case, Odo is boss against choppers. Odo has secured game 3.

She hides her serve, that's not even controversial. Any camera angle will show that.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

She hides her serve, that's not even controversial. Any camera angle will show that.

Fine, if it's hidden, then it's hidden, but use a proper angle. The one used was ridiculous.

 

[turbozed]

She hides her serve, that's not even controversial. Any camera angle will show that.

It's nice that TTR is proving what we've been expecting all along about some player's serves. I think Lind was caught out once with a hidden serve earlier on too. I like watching both Odo and Lind play but some of their serves were obviously suspect.

Anyone know what the confusion was regarding the first time Han Ying tried to challenge Odo's serve? She raised her hand for a let and wanted to challenge. I think maybe the ref allowed the let and therefore the point never happened? And so there was no action to challenge?

If the challenge happens after a point is played, this is a real boon for players facing shady services. They can just try to win the point despite hidden balls, and only if they lose they can still challenge the entire point. If players get good enough at using this strategy, I imagine nobody will want to serve illegally and possibly get freerolled like that.

It's like the offense getting a free play on an offside penalty to start a gridiron football play.

 

[turbozed]

Another interesting to come out of this TTR implementation is that of the half dozen or so serve challenges I've seen made, they have been exclusively calling out ball hiding. None of the receiving players seem to care mcuh about angle or toss height, so long as the contact is visible.

This is important since there's been a rash of more heavy handed serve enforcement in WTT lately without any TTR. But they've exclusively been focusing on toss angle and height, suggesting that WTT refs have been focusing on the wrong things which might actually give an advantage.

 

[NextLevel]

I was about to say that Shinozuka has clearly surpassed Uda - then the end of game 2 happened... so I might have to wait to be sure of it...

Surpass complete.

 

[Robin0910]

Another interesting to come out of this TTR implementation is that of the half dozen or so serve challenges I've seen made, they have been exclusively calling out ball hiding. None of the receiving players seem to care mcuh about angle or toss height, so long as the contact is visible.

This is important since there's been a rash of more heavy handed serve enforcement in WTT lately without any TTR. But they've exclusively been focusing on toss angle and height, suggesting that WTT refs have been focusing on the wrong things which might actually give an advantage.

Yeah, funny thing, most of the times if they think the opponent hides the serves they should call for serve angle fault cause the majority of the time the angle is more than 30 degrees when the serve is hidden and it’s visible from any angle, whereas sometimes blatantly obviously hidden serves are cleared because of a different camera angle…

 

[NextLevel]

Fine, if it's hidden, then it's hidden, but use a proper angle. The one used was ridiculous.

The rule as written argues for visibility regardless of angle. But players have pushed back against this forever and you obviously support them. I don't.

 

[NextLevel]

These reviews are crazy, Diaz is clearly hiding the ball with her head, and they are reviewing the toss height - seriously?

 

[NextLevel]

These reviews are crazy, Diaz is clearly hiding the ball with her head, and they are reviewing the toss height - seriously?

Took them long enough but they got it right. All these ball hiding servers need to be cast out into open like roaches and rats under flashlights.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Sheesh ... how long does it take to pull up video that

The rule as written argues for visibility regardless of angle. But players have pushed back against this forever and you obviously support them. I don't.

The rule is

it shall not be hidden from the receiver by the server or his or her doubles partner or by anything they wear or carry.

It is from the perspective of the receiver? It cannot be regardless of angle because except for BH service, you can almost always find an angle where it is hidden (though in some cases the angle may be extreme). But the TTR has to be fair and consistent not just to the challenger, but to the one being challenged. I can't remember which match it was, but there was a hidden service challenge where they actually did use a reasonable angle and something like 90% of the ball was not visible, but since you can see a small bit of white then it was deemed visible. I found that highly questionable.

 

[NextLevel]

Diaz has a nasty backhand serve - she is so used to illegal tosses on her forehand serves she has to serve backhand to remain legal and serve aggressively.

 

[NextLevel]

Sheesh ... how long does it take to pull up video that

The rule is

it shall not be hidden from the receiver by the server or his or her doubles partner or by anything they wear or carry.

It is from the perspective of the receiver? It cannot be regardless of angle because except for BH service, you can almost always find an angle where it is hidden (though in some cases the angle may be extreme). But the TTR has to be fair and consistent not just to the challenger, but to the one being challenged. I can't remember which match it was, but there was a hidden service challenge where they actually did use a reasonable angle and something like 90% of the ball was not visible, but since you can see a small bit of white then it was deemed visible. I found that highly questionable.

The back up books also specify things like visibility throughout the toss and height and angles and vertical extension of net posts etc. I know you like Odo, but this ball hiding needs to stop. Maybe they can get back to just visibility at contact because of TTR but the reality is that the rules and the umpire instructions for enforcing the rules contain all the things that you are trying to deny just to support her.

And yes, I was annoyed when the illegal serve of LYJ was found legal.

 

[JackJohnson]

Sheesh ... how long does it take to pull up video that

The rule is

it shall not be hidden from the receiver by the server or his or her doubles partner or by anything they wear or carry.

It is from the perspective of the receiver? It cannot be regardless of angle because except for BH service, you can almost always find an angle where it is hidden (though in some cases the angle may be extreme). But the TTR has to be fair and consistent not just to the challenger, but to the one being challenged. I can't remember which match it was, but there was a hidden service challenge where they actually did use a reasonable angle and something like 90% of the ball was not visible, but since you can see a small bit of white then it was deemed visible. I found that highly questionable.

I remember that match can’t remember who was playing but yea could still see a small bit of white table tennis ball but it was deemed visible. I think there needs to be a rule on how much % the ball can be hidden before it’s considered a hidden ball. In that situation I reckon it should have been considered hidden ball. I felt too much of the ball is hidden but it was still deemed legal.

 

[driversbeat]

Kaufmann seemed pretty happy to tie with Diaz even though the last game probably won't matter. Diaz wins in terms of both h2h and total games won.

 

[igorponger]

UMPIRES GOT VEXED OVER TTR PRESENCE.
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TTR replay is an unwanted challenge to umpire's qualification, it will put umpire under stress. Umpires do hate TTR, even if unspoken.

 

[turbozed]

These reviews are crazy, Diaz is clearly hiding the ball with her head, and they are reviewing the toss height - seriously?

Annette challenged for "hiding" but they heard "height." Honest mistake I guess with the language barrier. There should be unambiguous terms for serve challenges that don't sound so similar to one another.

 

[NextLevel]

Kaufmann seemed pretty happy to tie with Diaz even though the last game probably won't matter. Diaz wins in terms of both h2h and total games won.

She is young and has played and trained TT as a full time student all her life. The pro life is her dream and she is living it right now, not in rush to grow up and go crazy after playing a good match.

 

[JackJohnson]

Annette challenged for "hiding" but they heard "height." Honest mistake I guess with the language barrier. There should be unambiguous terms for serve challenges that don't sound so similar to one another.

If I was a player I would prefer them to review everything whether toss height, angle or hiding the ball but as a fan it does slow down the game but I rather they make a right decision even if it takes a long time. I hope in future they improve the speed of TTR cause right now it’s just way too slow. Might be a good idea to learn from other sports on how the video review system works and implement it for table tennis.