ITTF Mixed Team World Cup 2023, Chengdu, 12/4-10

[zeio]

This is IMHO clearly throwing the match while using it to collect information.

Turns out JJH went to the ER. JJH says she was going to play XD with JWJ but they had to go with AJH/SYB.

The lineup could've been:
JJH/JWJ
SYB
LSS
JJH/SYB
LJH/JWJ

破案了 原来决赛混双本来要上田姐和无忌
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8782848452
78纳 结果田姐进急诊室了
田姐连线说本来混双上她和无忌
结果没办法才上的男明星和小申
打混双的不能打单打 女单才上的金
这么一来韩国原本的排兵布阵是
混双田志希 张无忌
女单小申
男单香秀
女双有田姐
男双有韩林
这个阵容真能争一下冠军

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I would really like to believe that this was not done intentionally, for example, for some political reasons, but because of the late time - the referee’s clock was already 21-15...

well, i'm sure all the guys sitting there and are VIPs, would know how long table tennis matches would be, and if you only start a teams match of 15 games at 7pm, and 9:15pm is "Late" you really have a planning problem. (3-0 is easily 30 mins, so 15 games can easily be 150 mins)

Since none of the 7pm matches played on that day, why not start 6:30pm if you want to schedule in a ceremony at say 9pm.
there are so many solutions one can think of.

I also do not think it is political, I just think it is poor planning, just like the entire build up. Which is a great pity.

 

[zeio]

To add insult to injury, even the Korean media describes that game from Hayata as a "fortune". Despite the injuries and illness bothering SYB and JJH, with the WTTC being held for the first time in South Korea next year, KTTA still managed to turn this "useless" tournament into a springboard to get their players up to speed and can't thank those associations enough for making light of it.

A big shout-out to KTTA, JNT players (not JTTA), FFTT and FPRTM for the spectacular matches, and FRTM and USATT for the memorable moments.

일본도 꺾었다! 한국탁구 ITTF 혼성 팀 월드컵 2스테이지 전승 ‘사기 충천’ (Japan was also defeated! Korean Table Tennis ITTF Mixed Team World Cup 2nd Stage Victory ‘Male Morale’)
http://www.thepingpong.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=11286

승리까지 필요한 3게임은 단식에서 채웠다. 2매치로 열린 여자단식에서 김나영이 하야타 히나에게 1대 2(8-11, 11-9, 5-11)로 패했으나 ‘천금’ 같은 1게임을 더했고, 이어진 3매치에서 장우진이 하리모토 토모카즈를 2대 1(9-11, 13-11, 11-9)로 꺾으면서 승기를 장악했다. 3매치까지 5대 4로 앞선 채 복식에 돌입할 수 있었다. 결국 세계선수권대회 2회 연속 결승 진출에 빛나는 장우진-임종훈 조가 4매치에서 획득 가능한 3게임을 모두 가져오면서 8대 4의 쾌승을 거뒀다.

The three games needed to win were completed in singles. In the women's singles, which was held in two matches, Nayoung Kim lost to Hina Hayata 1 to 2 (8-11, 11-9, 5-11), but added one game that was like a fortune, and in the next three matches, Woojin Jang defeated Tomokazu Harimoto. They took control of the game by defeating them 2-1 (9-11, 13-11, 11-9). By match 3 she was able to enter the doubles with a 5 to 4 lead. In the end, the team of Jang Woo-jin and Lim Jong-hoon, who advanced to the finals of the World Championships for the second consecutive time, won all 3 games possible in 4 matches and won 8 to 4.

거침없는 한국탁구, 독일도 제압! ITTF 혼성 팀 월드컵 선두 질주 (The unstoppable Korean table tennis dominates even Germany! ITTF Mixed Team World Cup leader)
http://www.thepingpong.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=11287

다만 여자복식은 한국으로서도 모험이었다. 신유빈(대한항공)이 오랜 피로누적으로 어깨와 허리 등에 이상을 느끼면서 출전할 수 없었고, 이시온(삼성생명)이 전지희와 새롭게 짝을 이뤄 뛰고 있기 때문이다. 우려대로 첫 게임을 내주면서 위기감이 감돌았으나, 전지희와 이시온은 차분히 합을 맞춰 승리의 길을 찾아갔다. 결국 두 번째 게임에서 상대를 8에 묶어두고 최종 승리까지 한국에 필요했던 1게임을 채우는데 성공했다. 토털스코어 8대 6, 한국의 승리가 확정됐다.

However, women's doubles was an adventure even for Korea. This is because Shin Yu-bin (Korean Air) was unable to participate as she felt problems with her shoulder and back due to long-term fatigue, and Lee Si-on (Samsung Life Insurance) is playing as a new pair with Jeon Ji-hee. As expected, there was a sense of crisis as they lost the first game, but Jeon Ji-hee and Lee Si-on calmly worked together and found their way to victory. In the end, they tied their opponent at 8 in the second game and succeeded in completing the one game Korea needed until the final victory. The total score was 8 to 6, Korea's victory was confirmed.

잘 싸운 한국탁구 첫 번째 ITTF 혼성 팀 월드컵 값진 준우승 (Well-fought Korean Table Tennis first ITTF Mixed Team World Cup, valuable runner-up finish)
http://www.thepingpong.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=11288

한국은 사실 최종전 직전 악재가 있었다. 여자팀 기둥 전지희가 급작스런 위경련에 시달린 것. 급기야 어깨, 허리 통증이 있는 신유빈이 급히 출전하면서 전체적인 스텝이 꼬였다. 한국벤치는 혼합복식과 후반부 남녀복식에서의 게임포인트를 염두에 뒀지만, 정상 컨디션이 아닌 채 꾸려진 오른손-오른손 낯선 혼합복식 조합이 첫 단추를 제대로 꿰기란 쉽지 않았다. 끝내 예상보다 큰 점수 차로 패하고 만 이유다.

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역사적인 첫 대회에서 한국은 1스테이지 4전 전승, 2스테이지 6승(1스테이지 대만전 승리 포함) 1패로 최종 2위를 기록했다. 중국과 한국에 이어 일본과 프랑스가 3, 4위로 뒤를 이었다. 한국이 차지한 준우승의 의미는 자못 크다. 최강 중국과 첫 대회 최종전에서 수위 다툼을 벌이면서 탁구강국의 위상을 각인했다. 내년 2월 부산에서 열리는 2024 부산세계탁구선수권대회를 앞두고 국민적인 관심을 끌어올린 것도 중요한 성과다. 부산에서의 단체전을 앞둔 국가대표 선수들의 자신감도 한껏 높아졌다.

첫 번째 혼성 팀 월드컵을 인상적으로 치러낸 대표선수들은 이후에도 쉬지 못한다. 여자대표팀 신유빈과 전지희는 15일부터 일본에서 열리는 ‘WTT 파이널스 여자대회(WTT Finals Women Nagoya 2023)’ 출전을 위해 나고야로 이동하고, 나머지 선수들은 현재 예선 중인 제77회 전국남녀종합탁구선수권대회를 위해 귀국하자마자 충남 당진으로 간다. 선수들은 힘들겠지만, 팬들은 13일부터 시작될 종합선수권대회 남녀단식 본선에서 국제무대에서도 ‘통한’ 수준 높은 플레이를 볼 수 있다. 그야말로 탁구는 계속된다.

Korea actually had some bad news right before the final match. Jeon Ji-hee, the pillar of the women's team, suffered from sudden stomach cramps. In the end, Shin Yu-bin, who was suffering from shoulder and back pain, rushed to participate and her entire steps were distorted. The Korean bench kept the game points in the mixed doubles and the second half of the men's and women's doubles in mind, but it was not easy for the unfamiliar mixed doubles combination of right hand and right hand, which was not in normal condition, to hit the first button properly. This is why they ended up losing by a larger score than expected.

...

In the historic first tournament, Korea won all 4 matches in the 1st stage, 6 wins in the 2nd stage (including the win against Taiwan in the 1st stage), and only 1 loss, finishing in 2nd place. Following China and Korea, Japan and France came in third and fourth. The significance of Korea’s runner-up finish is quite significant. The country's status as a table tennis powerhouse was stamped by competing with the strongest China in the final match of the first tournament. It is also an important achievement to raise national interest ahead of the 2024 Busan World Table Tennis Championships, which will be held in Busan in February next year. The confidence of the national team players ahead of the team event in Busan has also increased.

The national team players, who performed impressively at the first mixed team World Cup, will not be able to rest afterward. Shin Yu-bin and Jeon Ji-hee of the women's national team will move to Nagoya to participate in the 'WTT Finals Women Nagoya 2023' to be held in Japan starting on the 15th, and the remaining players will participate in the 77th National Men's and Women's Table Tennis Championships, which is currently in the preliminary stages. As soon as I return to Korea, I go to Dangjin, South Chungcheong Province. Although it will be difficult for the players, fans will be able to see high-level play on the international stage in the men's and women's singles finals of the comprehensive championships, which will begin on the 13th. Indeed, table tennis continues.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

To add insult to injury, even the Korean media describes that game from Hayata as a "fortune". Despite the injuries and illness bothering SYB and JJH, with the WTTC being held for the first time in South Korea next year, KTTA still managed to turn this "useless" tournament into a springboard to get their players up to speed and can't thank those associations enough for making light of it.

A big shout-out to KTTA, JNT players (not JTTA), FFTT and FPRTM for the spectacular matches, and FRTM and USATT for the memorable moments.

일본도 꺾었다! 한국탁구 ITTF 혼성 팀 월드컵 2스테이지 전승 ‘사기 충천’ (Japan was also defeated! Korean Table Tennis ITTF Mixed Team World Cup 2nd Stage Victory ‘Male Morale’)
http://www.thepingpong.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=11286

The three games needed to win were completed in singles. In the women's singles, which was held in two matches, Nayoung Kim lost to Hina Hayata 1 to 2 (8-11, 11-9, 5-11), but added one game that was like a fortune, and in the next three matches, Woojin Jang defeated Tomokazu Harimoto. They took control of the game by defeating them 2-1 (9-11, 13-11, 11-9). By match 3 she was able to enter the doubles with a 5 to 4 lead. In the end, the team of Jang Woo-jin and Lim Jong-hoon, who advanced to the finals of the World Championships for the second consecutive time, won all 3 games possible in 4 matches and won 8 to 4.

거침없는 한국탁구, 독일도 제압! ITTF 혼성 팀 월드컵 선두 질주 (The unstoppable Korean table tennis dominates even Germany! ITTF Mixed Team World Cup leader)
http://www.thepingpong.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=11287

However, women's doubles was an adventure even for Korea. This is because Shin Yu-bin (Korean Air) was unable to participate as she felt problems with her shoulder and back due to long-term fatigue, and Lee Si-on (Samsung Life Insurance) is playing as a new pair with Jeon Ji-hee. As expected, there was a sense of crisis as they lost the first game, but Jeon Ji-hee and Lee Si-on calmly worked together and found their way to victory. In the end, they tied their opponent at 8 in the second game and succeeded in completing the one game Korea needed until the final victory. The total score was 8 to 6, Korea's victory was confirmed.

잘 싸운 한국탁구 첫 번째 ITTF 혼성 팀 월드컵 값진 준우승 (Well-fought Korean Table Tennis first ITTF Mixed Team World Cup, valuable runner-up finish)
http://www.thepingpong.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=11288

Korea actually had some bad news right before the final match. Jeon Ji-hee, the pillar of the women's team, suffered from sudden stomach cramps. In the end, Shin Yu-bin, who was suffering from shoulder and back pain, rushed to participate and her entire steps were distorted. The Korean bench kept the game points in the mixed doubles and the second half of the men's and women's doubles in mind, but it was not easy for the unfamiliar mixed doubles combination of right hand and right hand, which was not in normal condition, to hit the first button properly. This is why they ended up losing by a larger score than expected.

...

In the historic first tournament, Korea won all 4 matches in the 1st stage, 6 wins in the 2nd stage (including the win against Taiwan in the 1st stage), and only 1 loss, finishing in 2nd place. Following China and Korea, Japan and France came in third and fourth. The significance of Korea’s runner-up finish is quite significant. The country's status as a table tennis powerhouse was stamped by competing with the strongest China in the final match of the first tournament. It is also an important achievement to raise national interest ahead of the 2024 Busan World Table Tennis Championships, which will be held in Busan in February next year. The confidence of the national team players ahead of the team event in Busan has also increased.

The national team players, who performed impressively at the first mixed team World Cup, will not be able to rest afterward. Shin Yu-bin and Jeon Ji-hee of the women's national team will move to Nagoya to participate in the 'WTT Finals Women Nagoya 2023' to be held in Japan starting on the 15th, and the remaining players will participate in the 77th National Men's and Women's Table Tennis Championships, which is currently in the preliminary stages. As soon as I return to Korea, I go to Dangjin, South Chungcheong Province. Although it will be difficult for the players, fans will be able to see high-level play on the international stage in the men's and women's singles finals of the comprehensive championships, which will begin on the 13th. Indeed, table tennis continues.

so how much points did the 8 Koreans received each??

 

[zeio]

Who cares about the points here? As indicated in the articles, the KNT are teeming with confidence now. Same for Harimoto.

Hirano is impressed by F. Lebrun, saying she has heard that he is very strong as of late but has only watched him in videos before and has learned a lot from watching male players up close, especially the variety of serve and 3rd ball. She hopes she contributed to the team in a small way without dropping a game in all her matches. On the XTWC, she says because it was held in China, there were a lot of spectators and the atmosphere was great and was filled with tension and entertainment for those watching, and she expects it to become an interesting tournament in future editions.

Harimoto says he gives the match against FZD a perfect score, and knowing that he could win next time has given him a lot of confidence. On the XTWC, he says the match format poses many disadvantages to strong teams.

Miwa says she wants to make use of the doubles experience gained in this tournament in singles in the future.

Hayata seems to have passed up the interview upon arrival at the airport.

【卓球】平野美宇〝新星〟の１７歳フランス男子に驚き「勉強する部分がたくさんあった」

【1ページ目】【卓球】平野美宇〝新星〟の１７歳フランス男子に驚き「勉強する部分がたくさんあった」 | 東スポWEB

卓球の混合団体Ｗ杯（中国・成都）に出場していた女子の平野美宇（２３＝木下グループ）が、男子選手...

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　平野は大会を振り返り「出場した試合では、１ゲームも落とさずにいけたので、少しでもチームに貢献できて良かった。普段、男子選手の試合をこんなに間近で見ることはなかなかない。応援しながら強い選手を見て、勉強する部分がたくさんあった」と収穫を口にした。

　特に衝撃を受けたのが、５日のフランス戦に出場していた男子のフェリックス・ルブラン（１７）だ。世界ランキング８位の新星に、平野は「ルブラン選手が最近強いとは聞いていたけど、ビデオで少し見るぐらいで、間近で見たことはなかった。ルブラン選手だったらサーブや、３球目（攻撃）にいろんな種類があって、相手が待ちにくいだろうなと思った。男子選手の方ができる技術もたくさんあるので、勉強になる」と目を輝かせた。

卓球初開催の混合団体Ｗ杯　平野美宇「緊張感とエンターテインメント性」張本智和「強いチームにデメリットが多い」

卓球初開催の混合団体Ｗ杯　平野美宇「緊張感とエンターテインメント性」張本智和「強いチームにデメリットが多い」 - スポーツ報知

　卓球で初開催の混合団体ワールドカップ（Ｗ杯）で銅メダルを獲得した日本代表が１１日深夜、大会を終えて中国の成都から羽田空港着の航空機で帰国した。

hochi.news

　９日の決勝リーグ・中国戦（５●８）では、男子シングルスでエース・張本智和（智和企画）がアウェーの雰囲気の中、世界ランキング１位の樊振東に１１―３、１１―６で２ゲーム連取。「個人としては満点のプレー。内容的に手応えがあり、次にやっても勝てるんじゃないかと試合中に思えて、大きく自信がついた」と手応えを口にした。

　１０日にメダルが懸かった難敵・ドイツとの最終戦では、女子シングルスで主軸の平野美宇（木下グループ）がサビーネ・ウィンターから２ゲームを連取。第３ゲームの劣勢から逆転し、力を見せつけた。チームはゲームカウント８―４で勝利。「少しでもチームに貢献できたらいいと思っていた」と振り返った。

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　ルールも特殊で混合ダブルス、女子シングルス、男子シングルスなどの各試合が３ゲームずつ行われ、計８ゲームを先取したチームが勝利とされた。大会の方式について、張本は「強い国にデメリットが多いルールではあったと思う。韓国に負けたのは悔しいが、（１位）中国、（２位）韓国、日本と上位陣は順当な結果だった」と私見を述べた。

　一方で、卓球王国・中国での混合団体戦。国際経験が豊富な平野は「初めての試みで、どんな大会になるのか分からなかった。でも、実際に行ってみたら、卓球がさかんな中国開催なだけあってたくさんの観客の皆さんがいてくれたり、大きな大会の雰囲気で緊張感もあった。男女が一緒にできて学びもあり、（見ている方は）楽しさもあり、緊張感とエンターテインメント性もあって、今後続いて行ったら面白い大会になるのではないかと思いました」と、率直な感触も明かした。

卓球の１５歳・張本美和、兄・智和らと出た団体戦を終え「たくさんの経験や学びがあった」…中国開催の混合団体Ｗ杯

卓球の１５歳・張本美和、兄・智和らと出た団体戦を終え「たくさんの経験や学びがあった」…中国開催の混合団体Ｗ杯 - スポーツ報知

　卓球で初開催の混合団体ワールドカップ（Ｗ杯）で銅メダルを獲得した日本代表が１１日深夜、大会を終えて中国の成都から羽田空港着の航空機で帰国した。

hochi.news

　１５歳の張本美和（木下アカデミー）は、兄・智和（智和企画）とそろって参加した。９日の決勝リーグ・中国戦（５●８）では戸上隼輔（明大）とペアを組んだ混合ダブルスで王楚欽、孫穎莎組にゲームカウント２―１で貢献。「ダブルスに出場し、たくさんの経験や学びがあった。それを今後のシングルスに生かしたい」と充実の表情を見せた。

　来年１月には、２０２４年パリ五輪選考を兼ねた全日本選手権（東京）が控える。１１月の五輪選考を兼ねた全農カップ・大阪大会では、決勝で選考ポイント１番手の早田ひな（日本生命）を破って優勝しているが、ポイントでは代表圏外５番手。強化本部推薦で決まる五輪団体代表３枠目入りへ、全日本で結果を残し、アピールしたいところだ。「上を目指せるように頑張りたい」と、１５歳の成長株は気を引き締めた。

卓球・張本智和「大きな自信ついた」　混合団体W杯3位
https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOKC11C7V0R11C23A2000000/
https://www.sankei.com/article/20231211-WVHRZHMESFPBFMX4KZQ2I6BHPU/
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2023/12/11/0017121822.shtml

中国で初開催された卓球の混合団体ワールドカップ（W杯）で3位となった日本代表が11日、帰国した羽田空港で取材に応じ、男子シングルスで活躍が光った張本智和（智和企画）は「苦手な選手や強い選手に勝てたので今後の個人戦へ、大きな自信がついた大会になった」と話した。

国際大会の経験が豊富な女子の平野美宇（木下グループ）は「たくさんの観客がいて緊張感がありながら、男女が一緒にプレーできる楽しさもあった。今後も続いたら面白い大会になると思った」と実感を込めた。〔共同〕

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

PR PR PR haha
without points, they didn't want to play? lol.

Re the TPE Sweden match
the noise i'm hearing from my end is, why didn't TPE walk over to Sweden and "walk out" together.
Because Sweden was also very upset over the matter.

Just imagine, when play "resumes", both ends are empty, since they dimmed the lights to continue with proceedings.

no respect yields no respect, very easy.
All these PR or big posts won't hide the fact that the tournament was very unprofessional.

 

[zeio]

https://weibo.com/1497590100/NwnggkEHB
WCQ shifts the blame onto SYS, saying he held his own but still wanted to respect/adhere to her ideas and thoughts, and should've stepped up to offload some of the burden.
SYS says it wasn't that they played badly, per se, but they didn't prepare enough when it comes to understanding of and adapting to the opposing pair, especially in G3 when she made some unforced errors at clutch moments.
WMY spoke very little of the WS (poor Hayata) but much more on the WD, saying they'd put in a lot of efforts before the match as the opposing pair is very solid and unique.
FZD says his performance in the MS is worth reviewing and it wasn't like he was slow to start, but that he was on the slow side to adapt after trailing. It wasn't until G3 when it started to get better, and that his capability in this short match format is a little poor.
CM says she knew it would be a difficult scenario if the match reached the WD, but she and WMY were well-prepared and well-communicated and remained firm and went through with the game plan.
ML says the MD was made easier with his teammates building a 7-5 lead despite the first time playing with WCQ in this World Cup, that the atmosphere was tense and he is glad they played well in their first MD match.

 

[zeio]

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Harimoto says he played better than he did at WTTC 2022. A lot of the things he's been working on this year were carried out in the match and he never thought he could beat him. He wanted to win in 3 straight games but he knew it wasn't that simple. A win is a win but still the match is worth another look.

Hayata says she was a little antsy when playing WMY and so she made a lot of errors when attacking and she hopes to stay in the point longer next time and play with more patience.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Points out!!

WCQ only got 28 points lol
FZD 139
Ma Long 125
Felix 25
Jang Woojin 48
T Harimoto 72
Anton Kallberg 86
Lim Jonghood 58
Alexis 17
S Togami 24
Simon Gauzy 11 points
Lee Sangsu 48
An Jaehyun 48
WCT 12
Quek Izaac 3
Jishan Liang 5
Sid Naresh 3

SYS 42
WMY 222 (wow)
Chen Meng 83
Hayata 58
Shin Yubin 19
A Diaz 17
Bernie Szocs 2
Miwa 0 ???
Hirano 43
Miyuu 10
Yuan Jia Nan 3
Amy Wang 0
Lily Zhang 8
Linda Bergstrom 73 (her 3rd highest now)
Samara 7
Jeon 77
Chen Szu-Yu 33 (while not playing much)
Li Yu-Jhun 7 (while playing way more than Chen)
Huang Yi-Hua 4 (played the lease of all TPE, and have more points than Yuan Jia Nan and Bernie lol)

So, how does one walk away with lots of points?
Play singles over doubles?
Seems like WMY, CM, ML, FZD points came from singles

Overall, every player is very happy (expect for the ones earning 0 or 1 points per day lol)

 

[zeio]

PR PR PR haha
without points, they didn't want to play? lol.

Re the TPE Sweden match
the noise i'm hearing from my end is, why didn't TPE walk over to Sweden and "walk out" together.
Because Sweden was also very upset over the matter.

Just imagine, when play "resumes", both ends are empty, since they dimmed the lights to continue with proceedings.

no respect yields no respect, very easy.
All these PR or big posts won't hide the fact that the tournament was very unprofessional.

A dude who has shown no respect from the get-go is talking about respect here.

Points out!!

WCQ only got 28 points lol
FZD 139
Ma Long 125
Felix 25
Jang Woojin 48
T Harimoto 72
Anton Kallberg 86
Lim Jonghood 58
Alexis 17
S Togami 24
Simon Gauzy 11 points
Lee Sangsu 48
An Jaehyun 48
WCT 12
Quek Izaac 3
Jishan Liang 5
Sid Naresh 3

SYS 42
WMY 222 (wow)
Chen Meng 83
Hayata 58
Shin Yubin 19
A Diaz 17
Bernie Szocs 2
Miwa 0 ???
Hirano 43
Miyuu 10
Yuan Jia Nan 3
Amy Wang 0
Lily Zhang 8
Linda Bergstrom 73 (her 3rd highest now)
Samara 7
Jeon 77
Chen Szu-Yu 33 (while not playing much)
Li Yu-Jhun 7 (while playing way more than Chen)
Huang Yi-Hua 4 (played the lease of all TPE, and have more points than Yuan Jia Nan and Bernie lol)

So, how does one walk away with lots of points?
Play singles over doubles?
Seems like WMY, CM, ML, FZD points came from singles

Overall, every player is very happy (expect for the ones earning 0 or 1 points per day lol)

Just so I don't have to post the same thing again.

http://mytabletennis.net/FORUM/foru...ed-team-world-cup-2023-chengdu-12-410#1147186

 

[Choosikick]

A dude who has shown no respect from the get-go is talking about respect here.


Just so I don't have to post the same thing again.

http://mytabletennis.net/FORUM/foru...ed-team-world-cup-2023-chengdu-12-410#1147186

Getting personal means no arguments on the topic of the dispute...

 

[zeio]

PR PR PR haha
without points, they didn't want to play? lol.

Re the TPE Sweden match
the noise i'm hearing from my end is, why didn't TPE walk over to Sweden and "walk out" together.
Because Sweden was also very upset over the matter.

Just imagine, when play "resumes", both ends are empty, since they dimmed the lights to continue with proceedings.

no respect yields no respect, very easy.
All these PR or big posts won't hide the fact that the tournament was very unprofessional.

The dude who has extended little respect in both threads here and over at Mytt is talking about respect here.

PR, PR, PR. Let's talk PR here. Where is the respect when you keep referring to the team as Taiwan instead of Chinese Taipei when 54.8% (5.77 mi out of 11.4 mi) of the people in Taiwan who voted in the 2018 referendum prefer to compete under the name Chinese Taipei? Only 4 of 22 administrative regions barely got more than 50% of Yes. The green camp tried again in 2022 and needless to say it didn't get anywhere. And unlike what you hinted at, it was the ROC that insisted on competing under Chinese Taipei at first, which was a compromise as the PRC actually wanted Taipei, China instead (like Hong Kong, China and Macau, China) but out of respect still observes the term Chinese Taipei for the most part. In addition, it was the IOC (poor indigenous people of Taiwan didn't have a say) that forced the team to compete under Taiwan at first after the ROC lost the seat at the UN but the players actually protested (see the picture) and even refused to compete in subsequent editions.

For the curious minds, see the clip in which, Tsai Ing-Wen, the current president of ROC (affiliated with the green camp until 11/2022) claimed to be Chinese and Taiwanese and brought up by Chinese textbooks and Chinese education and there was nothing wrong about it
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...mash-2023-or-frankfurt-2023.32368/post-433104
Transcript of the speech
https://home.gamer.com.tw/creationDetail.php?sn=3833495
Tsai Ing-Wen also claimed that "One China" was the only option in the future
https://youtu.be/0UOQKG8yqfs?t=5

 

[zeio]

Getting personal means no arguments on the topic of the dispute...

See who got personal first.
http://mytabletennis.net/FORUM/foru...ed-team-world-cup-2023-chengdu-12-410#1147140

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Zeio

What are you smoking again?
so when someone questions you, you get messed up in the head?
read for yourself on what you are typing and that you are defending mediocre and finding that the award ceremony break is very acceptable??

Trying to hyperlink half the internet is just you, but bringing in politics is what? makes you Zeiopedia and what??

You the one that shares that JNT pulled out and CTTA threaten JTTA and you also the one that showed everyone here that JNT is a good kid now and listening to CTTA and now all "PR" is only talking about good stuff.
I'm sure all the good news will override the embarrassing build up and closing, right? lol.

You need to go take a cold shower and clear your head and pray you don't get banned again for bringing politics into TTD.
Today's world, people are really more supportive of Taiwan, so I'm not sure what you are trying to do with your useless post. other than seeking ban, I can't think of any other purpose of it.

and the sad part of the "vote" of playing under the name of Taiwan or under Chinese Taipei, since I'm in the circle of national players..... It was a very sad sight....
Sports people were begging (in public) for people not to vote for "Taiwan" and vote for "Chinese Taipei", as we all know what would happen (back then) - no one (sports people) could play international any more as there is a very big bully that would cause a lot of political harm and sports people would be the first to suffer......

It was a very sad phase for sports people, all this because PRC feels they can claim the rights to Taiwan, due to earlier Chinese dynasties having the rights to Taiwan. But that is politics and is beyond any sports people.
Think about it, can the Italians claim most of Europe and western Asia based on the roman empire map too lol.
Remember PRC is claiming lands from India, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines and many other, however Taiwan is getting the bigger spotlight.

if you want to be in a politics forum, then you in the wrong place.
Its about sports and if you can't get sympathy, at lease have same empathy.
I touched a little bit of politics as because sports people need to be silent to be able to play sports internationally. It is sad truth.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

A rose by any other name still smell just as sweet. In this vein, let's name her

That lil'island next to the Motherland.

OK? Everyone Happy?

 

[zeio]

Once again, don't waste my time like you did with TensorBackhand and DukeGaGa where you were the very person who brought up politics.

 

[zeio]

A rose by any other name still smell just as sweet. In this vein, let's name her

That lil'island next to the Motherland.

OK? Everyone Happy?

Apparently sitting on the fence (policy of deliberate ambiguity) doesn't sit well with either sides when Ko Wen-Je, who announced his presidential candidacy a few weeks ago, offered his view on the cultural, economical, and political definitions of Chinese 4 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDQ_7UUg0BM

 

[zeio]

JJH still on IV drips after returning to South Korea
SYB has already departed for Nagoya
WD starts on 12/16, will have to depart on Friday at the latest
https://weibo.com/1740626210/NwWkXowD0

 

[Janard]

Points out!!

WCQ only got 28 points lol
FZD 139
Ma Long 125
Felix 25
Jang Woojin 48
T Harimoto 72
Anton Kallberg 86
Lim Jonghood 58
Alexis 17
S Togami 24
Simon Gauzy 11 points
Lee Sangsu 48
An Jaehyun 48
WCT 12
Quek Izaac 3
Jishan Liang 5
Sid Naresh 3

SYS 42
WMY 222 (wow)
Chen Meng 83
Hayata 58
Shin Yubin 19
A Diaz 17
Bernie Szocs 2
Miwa 0 ???
Hirano 43
Miyuu 10
Yuan Jia Nan 3
Amy Wang 0
Lily Zhang 8
Linda Bergstrom 73 (her 3rd highest now)
Samara 7
Jeon 77
Chen Szu-Yu 33 (while not playing much)
Li Yu-Jhun 7 (while playing way more than Chen)
Huang Yi-Hua 4 (played the lease of all TPE, and have more points than Yuan Jia Nan and Bernie lol)

So, how does one walk away with lots of points?
Play singles over doubles?
Seems like WMY, CM, ML, FZD points came from singles

Overall, every player is very happy (expect for the ones earning 0 or 1 points per day lol)

Out of curiosity, where did you get the breakdown of points from?

"Ranking points will be distributed among players based on their team’s final position in the event, played in a round-robin format. The winning team will secure a total of 1,000 World Ranking points, while the second-ranked team will earn 700 points. Teams placing 3rd and 4th will receive 350 points, those ranked 5th to 8th will get 175 points, and teams placed 9th to 18th will be awarded 20 points."

Didn't Korea come in 2nd hence earned 700 pts to be shared among the 8 players? Based on what I am seeing, Jang Woojin 48 + Lim Jonghood 58 + Lee Sangsu 48 + An Jaehyun 48 + Shin Yubin 19 + JJH 77 = 298 pts. There are still 402 pts unaccounted for. Unless KNT is giving such a disproportionate share to Kim Nayeong and Lee Zion?

Likewise for China, they should have won 1,000 pts. The top 3 men and women only add up to 639 pts. Not sure if it makes sense to award the remaining 361 pts to LGY and WYD who barely did anything.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Out of curiosity, where did you get the breakdown of points from?

"Ranking points will be distributed among players based on their team’s final position in the event, played in a round-robin format. The winning team will secure a total of 1,000 World Ranking points, while the second-ranked team will earn 700 points. Teams placing 3rd and 4th will receive 350 points, those ranked 5th to 8th will get 175 points, and teams placed 9th to 18th will be awarded 20 points."

Didn't Korea come in 2nd hence earned 700 pts to be shared among the 8 players? Based on what I am seeing, Jang Woojin 48 + Lim Jonghood 58 + Lee Sangsu 48 + An Jaehyun 48 + Shin Yubin 19 + JJH 77 = 298 pts. There are still 402 pts unaccounted for. Unless KNT is giving such a disproportionate share to Kim Nayeong and Lee Zion?

Likewise for China, they should have won 1,000 pts. The top 3 men and women only add up to 639 pts. Not sure if it makes sense to award the remaining 361 pts to LGY and WYD who barely did anything.

From ITTF Ranking page.

Here is a double check and you are right. someone is stealing points from the players lol

FZD 14% / 139 points
WCQ 3% / 28 points
ML 13% / 125 points
LGY 0% / 0 points
SYS 4% / 42 points
WMY 22% / 222points
CM 8% / 83 points
WYD 0% / 0 points

Total 64% / 639

Guess what, the above is individual (singles) only

so, other points are as follows:

XD:
WCQ/SYS 24% / 236 points
LGY/WMY 4% / 40 points

WD:
CM/WMY 3% / 28
WYD/SYS 1% / 14 (how 1% is 14 points? I don't know)

MD:
ML/WCQ 1% / 14

so the above 5 is 33% / 332, so making a total of 97% and 971 points
Not quite sure where the missing 3% or 29 points went.

So it is clear - if you have some "non-normal" pairing, then the paring + wr points is pretty much close to useless.