ITTF Mixed Team World Cup 2023, Chengdu, 12/4-10

[fore.n.back]

Now that Yoshiyama has been given the chance, when will it be Sone's turn? Probably against Slovakia

 

[driversbeat]

Just realised that stage 2 is the end. There will be no finals/semifinals. Whoever wins the most points at the end of stage 2 will be crowded champion. I get that they want to allow as many matches as possible to let the teams experiment, but at least give us a good final.

 

[NextLevel]

Yeah really digging it. After watching this and a few of the MLTT games, I gotta say the team format is a lot more entertaining as a whole than the standard singles and doubles. Wish we got more events like this and more players made it a priority to attend.

I think this is innovation partly inspired by the Indian League which may have predecessors I am unaware of (since the Indian league has had this format for years apart from the Golden Game, I think it is fair to give them the credit). I think it might actually become an Olympic event if there is a desire for more TT.

 

[driversbeat]

Germany lost a very winnable match against Sweden 4-8. Had a chance to take two sets in the mixed doubles and women's singles but threw them both, forcing Watlher and Stumper into a match where they had to win every single set. Very nearly pulled it off but lacked the experience to go all the way. The result might have been very different if they played Shan Xiaona over Winter.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Just realised that stage 2 is the end. There will be no finals/semifinals. Whoever wins the most points at the end of stage 2 will be crowded champion. I get that they want to allow as many matches as possible to let the teams experiment, but at least give us a good final.

its really an experiment and i think not many are happy about it....neither the players nor the viewers

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

its really an experiment and i think not many are happy about it....neither the players nor the viewers

the whole thing will likely be made better in year 2
I think this year it was too rushed.

they need to change the WR point system.

1000 (best case) divide by 8
but what if you only play doubles and with a pair you will never pair with - then those points are useless (since WTT doubles pairing is linked to the exact partners and not individual player)
or does all points go to each player, for individual rankings.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think this is innovation partly inspired by the Indian League which may have predecessors I am unaware of (since the Indian league has had this format for years apart from the Golden Game, I think it is fair to give them the credit). I think it might actually become an Olympic event if there is a desire for more TT.

i agree
I think WTT have way too many individual matches.

ITTF should stop the WTTC / WTTTC all together and just focused on mixed team world cup.

and let the WTT run the "tennis majors" like what it wants to do.
But right now, we have OG, WTTC, world cups/finals all into 1 year and then you have champions/smashes/star contenders (did I miss any) lol
very crowded and 2023 has led to a lot of injury due to overloading

 

[igorponger]

UNFAIR PLAY BY CHINA and HOW CAN WE RESPOND TO SUCH.

No one can yet challenge China total dominance in the sport so far. The situation is mostly comes from the unfair distribution of China-made playing materials. Not all China rubbers are now commercially available, and, moreover, some rubbers are known to be factory boosted in defiance to the ITTF official regulations M4.
Yes, we now worked out a practical measure to resolve the issue once and for all, eg. Identity Markings on each sponge sheet as comes from factory source.

Thus could we ensure fair play for all players involved in table tennis competitions, both domestically or internationally.

 

[zeio]

JPN 2-1 SWE
Hayata vs Bergstrom
310, 1210
37, 77, 79, 119
74, 77, 97 TO for Hayata, 107, 109, 119

5-1
Miwa's brother vs A. Kallberg
G3 103, 105 TO for Miwa's brother, 109, 119 dead net for Miwa's brother

7-2
Miwa's brother/I-prep-for-Harimoto-year-round vs Karlsson/Kallberg
911
411
1012

 

[fore.n.back]

Out of all the competed JPN player in this mixed team, Hayata's state seemed to be the worst, but this is also a great chance for her to exercise entering the zone quicker

 

[turbozed]

Out of all the competed JPN player in this mixed team, Hayata's state seemed to be the worst, but this is also a great chance for her to exercise entering the zone quicker

She definitely has a different gear when she's behind or when the pressure is on. She's like a fighter that doesn't really get going until taking a few big punches.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

UNFAIR PLAY BY CHINA and HOW CAN WE RESPOND TO SUCH.

No one can yet challenge China total dominance in the sport so far. The situation is mostly comes from the unfair distribution of China-made playing materials. Not all China rubbers are now commercially available, and, moreover, some rubbers are known to be factory boosted in defiance to the ITTF official regulations M4.
Yes, we now worked out a practical measure to resolve the issue once and for all, eg. Identity Markings on each sponge sheet as comes from factory source.

Thus could we ensure fair play for all players involved in table tennis competitions, both domestically or internationally.

another one here thinks equipment makes champions lol

igor the EJ

 

[TensorBackhand]

I think they should change the rules for this mixed team format. Once a team pulls ahead, it just makes any comeback feel impossible.

If you have 1 weak link that loses 0-3, it means the following team members need to play virtually perfect just to climb back.

 

[zeio]

That good-for-nothing Togami. Absolutely useless when you need him after WTTC 2022.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Man..feel bad for Sweden. They fought hard, but their last team is just nowhere near the level needed

 

[fore.n.back]

That good-for-nothing Togami. Absolutely useless when you need him after WTTC 2022.

imo, Harimoto did worse in that doubles match, his slow footwork and bad forehand guaranteed a 2v1 situation. With that said Togami's forehand was underwhelming as well, too many over-hit shot.

But Sweden in both their XD and MD done well in short touches to make sure Togami can't bring his forehand into play, most of the offensive had to be done on the Harimoto siblings turn

 

[zeio]

I think they should change the rules for this mixed team format. Once a team pulls ahead, it just makes any comeback feel impossible.

If you have 1 weak link that loses 0-3, it means the following team members need to play virtually perfect just to climb back.

There are the Olympics, WTTC, and Team World Cup (or World Team Cup as it was called) for that.

The whole point of this tournament is not about any particular match. It's a marathon. Sweden is going to lose no matter what at the start of the match. Their goal is to lose with the least amount of game-deficit. Losing 5-8 in M5 (2-7 after M3) means they "have won" because JPN and KOR are now 24 and 7 in Stage 2.

 

[NextLevel]

There are the Olympics, WTTC, and Team World Cup (or World Team Cup as it was called) for that.

The whole point of this tournament is not about any particular match. It's a marathon. Sweden is going to lose no matter what at the start of the match. Their goal is to lose with the least amount of game-deficit. Losing 5-8 in M5 (2-7 after M3) means they "have won" because JPN and KOR are now 24 and 7 in Stage 2.

They arguably should play all the matches and let some teams win 15-0 lol.

 

[fore.n.back]

JPN and KOR are now 24 and 7 in Stage 2.

I was hoping Sone would play against Slovakia tonight but at with this JPN will have to send their main force again to get the maximum W before fighting Korea tmw

 

[zeio]

imo, Harimoto did worse in that doubles match, his slow footwork and bad forehand guaranteed a 2v1 situation. With that said Togami's forehand was underwhelming as well, too many over-hit shot.

But Sweden in both their XD and MD done well in short touches to make sure Togami can't bring his forehand into play, most of the offensive had to be done on the Harimoto siblings turn

Harimoto actually played well in G1 and forced a TO from Sweden (2:6 to 5:6 and 6:6 after TO). Togami was the one dropping the crucial points and blew the lead (8:7), which in turn forced Harimoto to take risks (8:8 to 8:10). They needed just that 1 game.

After that it was an uphill battle, where Togami needed to step up. Carry the dead weight (Ito and Niwa) like Mizutani did in XD at Tokyo 2020 but no.

At 6:6 of G1,
5W3L Harimoto
1W3L Togami

01 lost by Harimoto
11 won by Harimoto
13 two lost by Togami
15 two lost by Harimoto
25 won by Harimoto
26 lost by Togami
46 two won by Harimoto
56 won by Togami
66 won by Harimoto

After 6:6,
0W3L Harimoto
3W2L Togami

67 lost by Harimoto
87 two won by Togami
88 lost by Togami
810 two lost by Harimoto
910 won by Togami
911 lost by Togami

In total,
5W6L Harimoto (.83)
4W5L Togami (.8)

Won or lost by whoever last touched the ball. Some of the points lost by Harimoto were caused by Togami's weak return but I still counted them on Harimoto.