Loki RXTON 9 new sponge.

[DBsystem78]

SADC is too stiff for me. Do not know how it will behave on that blade. BH curled into a roll with 2 layers of Kailin. 39 did not roll much with 3 layers. I think it might benefit from more concentrated stuff like National Yellow. No idea though if that is 100% correct. I have not tried it. Yet. With 3 layers of Kailin it plays ok. Its stupidly spinny even with drives.

If you are worried its too fast for u, I would suggest boosting even more. Softer sponge is easier to engage.

I only have seamoon regular so i'll try 1 layer on each to start i think just to activate it

I was using Dhs 301t so sadc doesn't feel that stiff now

Thanks a lot for your answer

 

[Haito]

I only have seamoon regular so i'll try 1 layer on each to start i think just to activate it

I was using Dhs 301t so sadc doesn't feel that stiff now

Thanks a lot for your answer

National yellow is just concentrated seamoon. Just put twice as much it should be fine.

 

[Archosaurus]

National yellow is just concentrated seamoon. Just put twice as much it should be fine.

I'm not super sure national white isn't either. It has the exact same characteristics as a thicker formulation of Seamoon. Maybe it's closer to Seamoon II in some performance characteristics, but I'd go as far to say that for a non-elite player they're the same thing and only the amount needed differs.

I'm not super surprised if Black is the same and has no normalized hardness or elasticity difference either, and Yellow, White, Black are just dosage things to make them easier to use for some applications where you want a repeatable effect per layer.

 

[Haito]

I'm not super surprised if Black is the same and has no normalized hardness or elasticity difference either, and Yellow, White, Black are just dosage things to make them easier to use for some applications where you want a repeatable effect per layer.

I've heard that black does not make rubber softer. I've heard that idea is to use it for reboosting. But again my rubbers usually die before reboost is needed.

 

[Archosaurus]

I've heard that black does not make rubber softer. I've heard that idea is to use it for reboosting. But again my rubbers usually die before reboost is needed.

I'm 99% sure that's completely impossible. I have some Black on order so I will just confirm it on my next boost cycle because I'm curious about it.

I reboost every month and that's conservative, really you'd want more like every week to two weeks, but it's unnecessary for my play level. I can't imagine wearing them out before needing to reboost at all! How long do you get out of them?

 

[dingyibvs]

I'm 99% sure that's completely impossible. I have some Black on order so I will just confirm it on my next boost cycle because I'm curious about it.

I reboost every month and that's conservative, really you'd want more like every week to two weeks, but it's unnecessary for my play level. I can't imagine wearing them out before needing to reboost at all! How long do you get out of them?

It's possible, my friend does it. He brushes really hard and changes his rubbers every month. I don't brush as hard or play as much, so for me it can go for 2-3 months so 1-2 reboost.

 

[Archosaurus]

It's possible, my friend does it. He brushes really hard and changes his rubbers every month. I don't brush as hard or play as much, so for me it can go for 2-3 months so 1-2 reboost.

No, I mean the booster expanding the sponge but also not softening it. It's pretty much not possible unless the booster adds an incredible amount of density to the sponge, which it doesn't.

Of course the strength per ml can be higher and it probably is, so it allows you in effect to soften the sponge less for the same effect, so in that way I understand it and that's probably what they mean.

I play 3-5 times a week (usually 3) about 10-15h a week and I hit quite hard and the boosting effect is basically worn off in a few days, and there's a little bit left after 2 weeks. The only reason I don't do it every few weeks is cost and laziness .

Although I'm not so sure on the cost; the hardness of the rubber has barely decreased even after a few boosting cycles, but I'm probably not good enough to feel what's happening to the actual elasticity to judge if it's fatigued or not. I kinda think I could reboost 4, 5 times without real downsides.

I brush on 2 thin layers, though. Maybe different experience if you brush on 3 thick ones.

 

[Haito]

No, I mean the booster expanding the sponge but also not softening it. It's pretty much not possible unless the booster adds an incredible amount of density to the sponge, which it doesn't.

Of course the strength per ml can be higher and it probably is, so it allows you in effect to soften the sponge less for the same effect, so in that way I understand it and that's probably what they mean.

I play 3-5 times a week (usually 3) about 10-15h a week and I hit quite hard and the boosting effect is basically worn off in a few days, and there's a little bit left after 2 weeks. The only reason I don't do it every few weeks is cost and laziness .

Although I'm not so sure on the cost; the hardness of the rubber has barely decreased even after a few boosting cycles, but I'm probably not good enough to feel what's happening to the actual elasticity to judge if it's fatigued or not. I kinda think I could reboost 4, 5 times without real downsides.

I brush on 2 thin layers, though. Maybe different experience if you brush on 3 thick ones.

When I saw the black oil it was like sludge not like oil. Might be that is contributing factor.

 

[Archosaurus]

When I saw the black oil it was like sludge not like oil. Might be that is contributing factor.

National White is supposed to be between Yellow and Black and mine is sticky, it will make long strands and takes forever to drip. Probably all it is is how concentrated it is.

 

[TuiGor]

I have been using the 37.5° version for the past two weeks, so I can offer some insight on this rubber.

It basically functions like a typical Chinese rubber, AKA Hurricane-style rubber.

Muted feeling, hard to penetrate, easy spin generation, different gears, and the usual risk of oxidation if you do not take care of the topsheet properly. n.

All the traits you need to fully utilise Hurricane-type rubbers also apply to the new batch of Loki Rxton 9.

Just like Hurricane, it requires booster to activate the sponge properly. I recommend using Haifu’s booster, as it is specifically designed for boosting Chinese rubbers like these.

Personally, I don’t think I have managed to fully penetrate the sponge once in the past two weeks, but there could be a few reasons for that.

I paired it with a hard blade, (Super Viscaria structure), and boosted it with one layer of Rxton’s own booster and one layer of Kailin.

A few days ago, I tried adding one more layer of Haifu National Black, and it did feel softer.

I also boosted a new sheet with two layers of Haifu National Black and glued it onto my new blade. The new blade has a similar structure, but I asked my blade crafter to change the outer veneer to limba. Everything else is the same structure-wise.

I can already feel quite a difference. It is easier to activate, and I get more feeling compared to my previous blade. That could also be due to the limba outer veneer.

For reference, I can penetrate D09C when given enough space and time.

Overall, I think it is a great rubber, especially for its price.

I am someone with a spinny backhand, and I think this rubber suits me because it is very easy to generate heavy spin.

I also tend to brush too much on my backhand due to natural instinct, and this rubber hides that weakness to some degree because it has good grip and is great for brushing, as expected from Chinese rubbers.

Both passive and active blocking are fine.

It does the job, but it is less “automatic” compared to something like a Butterfly rubber.

For forehand, mine is 39°, boosted with two layers of Haifu National Black.

So far, I don’t have any issues or noticeable concerns.

One thing I did find was that it was quite easy to penetrate when looping far away from the table.

However, I have only had one casual session with it, so I need more testing before I can provide more detailed insights.

As for weight, I have no idea.

I was too lazy to measure it.

But I would assume the whole setup is below 200g.

Both blades are 88g, so maybe the full setup is around 195g.

To clarify some things about this rubber, here is a quick summary of the new batch of Rxton 9.

There are two products in this new batch:

Rxton 9
Rxton 9 Neo

Both are completely different from the previous Rxton 9 National.

Rxton 9 has an orange sponge. It also comes in a 37.5° version, which is designed for backhand.

Rxton 9 Neo has a blue sponge.

Like the Hurricane Neo version, it comes with a factory glue layer on the sponge. However, the layer was not fully even or smooth, so I removed it before boosting. The layer was quite thin and relatively hard to peel off.

Teacher Xiao Yu commented that the rubber has a much harder and more solid feeling compared to Rxton 9 National, so he recommends going down one degree when purchasing.

For example, if you are using 40° Rxton 9 National, he recommends 39° for this new batch.

Gan recommends the orange sponge, Rxton 9, over the blue sponge, Rxton 9 Neo.

He said the blue sponge could not hold the ball safely when he was doing his stroke with full power, while the orange sponge did not have this problem.

Both of them basically commented that the differences between the orange and blue sponge are similar to the differences between Hurricane orange sponge and blue sponge.

For example, blue sponge generally has more ball-holding sensation or ball-grabbing feeling, while orange sponge releases the ball quicker.

TLDR:

It is basically Loki’s version of Hurricane 3.

Even the characteristics, packaging, and markings are similar.

Perhaps it is slightly more user-friendly, but honestly, someone at my skill level probably cannot tell the difference clearly.

It just feels similar to Hurricane, which is a good thing personally.

I am willing to continue using it if the quality control is better than DHS.

But if you hate boosting, or have no experience with boosting, just get another rubber.

 

[dingyibvs]

I have been using the 37.5° version for the past two weeks, so I can offer some insight on this rubber.

It basically functions like a typical Chinese rubber, AKA Hurricane-style rubber.

Muted feeling, hard to penetrate, easy spin generation, different gears, and the usual risk of oxidation if you do not take care of the topsheet properly. n.

All the traits you need to fully utilise Hurricane-type rubbers also apply to the new batch of Loki Rxton 9.

Just like Hurricane, it requires booster to activate the sponge properly. I recommend using Haifu’s booster, as it is specifically designed for boosting Chinese rubbers like these.

Personally, I don’t think I have managed to fully penetrate the sponge once in the past two weeks, but there could be a few reasons for that.

I paired it with a hard blade, (Super Viscaria structure), and boosted it with one layer of Rxton’s own booster and one layer of Kailin.

A few days ago, I tried adding one more layer of Haifu National Black, and it did feel softer.

I also boosted a new sheet with two layers of Haifu National Black and glued it onto my new blade. The new blade has a similar structure, but I asked my blade crafter to change the outer veneer to limba. Everything else is the same structure-wise.

I can already feel quite a difference. It is easier to activate, and I get more feeling compared to my previous blade. That could also be due to the limba outer veneer.

For reference, I can penetrate D09C when given enough space and time.

Overall, I think it is a great rubber, especially for its price.

I am someone with a spinny backhand, and I think this rubber suits me because it is very easy to generate heavy spin.

I also tend to brush too much on my backhand due to natural instinct, and this rubber hides that weakness to some degree because it has good grip and is great for brushing, as expected from Chinese rubbers.

Both passive and active blocking are fine.

It does the job, but it is less “automatic” compared to something like a Butterfly rubber.

For forehand, mine is 39°, boosted with two layers of Haifu National Black.

So far, I don’t have any issues or noticeable concerns.

One thing I did find was that it was quite easy to penetrate when looping far away from the table.

However, I have only had one casual session with it, so I need more testing before I can provide more detailed insights.

As for weight, I have no idea.

I was too lazy to measure it.

But I would assume the whole setup is below 200g.

Both blades are 88g, so maybe the full setup is around 195g.

To clarify some things about this rubber, here is a quick summary of the new batch of Rxton 9.

There are two products in this new batch:

Rxton 9
Rxton 9 Neo

Both are completely different from the previous Rxton 9 National.

Rxton 9 has an orange sponge. It also comes in a 37.5° version, which is designed for backhand.

Rxton 9 Neo has a blue sponge.

Like the Hurricane Neo version, it comes with a factory glue layer on the sponge. However, the layer was not fully even or smooth, so I removed it before boosting. The layer was quite thin and relatively hard to peel off.

Teacher Xiao Yu commented that the rubber has a much harder and more solid feeling compared to Rxton 9 National, so he recommends going down one degree when purchasing.

For example, if you are using 40° Rxton 9 National, he recommends 39° for this new batch.

Gan recommends the orange sponge, Rxton 9, over the blue sponge, Rxton 9 Neo.

He said the blue sponge could not hold the ball safely when he was doing his stroke with full power, while the orange sponge did not have this problem.

Both of them basically commented that the differences between the orange and blue sponge are similar to the differences between Hurricane orange sponge and blue sponge.

For example, blue sponge generally has more ball-holding sensation or ball-grabbing feeling, while orange sponge releases the ball quicker.

TLDR:

It is basically Loki’s version of Hurricane 3.

Even the characteristics, packaging, and markings are similar.

Perhaps it is slightly more user-friendly, but honestly, someone at my skill level probably cannot tell the difference clearly.

It just feels similar to Hurricane, which is a good thing personally.

I am willing to continue using it if the quality control is better than DHS.

But if you hate boosting, or have no experience with boosting, just get another rubber.

I tried out the old Rxton 9 37 degrees (blue sponge) this week, it was very underwhelming. I liked the Rxton 7 37 degrees much better. I'm really hoping that the new Rxton 9 37.5 behaves more lik the Rxton 7 37 with a bit more power! Mine should arrive later this week, and be ready for testing some time next week.