LP 0.7mm or OX, which is easier to control?

[TensorBackhand]

Which is easier to control for LP punches and chops? Which is easier to keep low and deep?

 

[JJ Ng]

Ox. I have tried long pips before. It is nice to have the sponge but ox feels both controllable and yet if you need to hit the ball fast, you can hit through the pips and use the wood/carbon to help you with speed.

If you want to try long pips, I would start with ox. With no sponge, I feel that the long pips rubber has more gears (you can hit it fast or slow).

Now, I have also heard that with ox, it is easier to make the ball disruptive (more wobbly). In my personal experience I agree with that. Plus with the ball not as spinny as before, I think long pips are better used at the table and be fast and disruptive and yet chop and block at the same time, close to the table (i.e. Manika Batra). Far away from the table, chopping with long pips with 0.7mm sponge does not sound like a good overall strategy in the era of plastic balls.

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

OX plays more straightforwards. All you have to account for is the bending of the pips. But you also have better grip and cushion with sponge, that means better spin potential when there is less spin on the ball. OX will play more flat which benefits chopblocking, passive blocking and punching but even thin sponge will help keeping the ball low when trying to push lower spin over the table

 

[TensorBackhand]

Ox. I have tried long pips before. It is nice to have the sponge but ox feels both controllable and yet if you need to hit the ball fast, you can hit through the pips and use the wood/carbon to help you with speed.

If you want to try long pips, I would start with ox. With no sponge, I feel that the long pips rubber has more gears (you can hit it fast or slow).

Now, I have also heard that with ox, it is easier to make the ball disruptive (more wobbly). In my personal experience I agree with that. Plus with the ball not as spinny as before, I think long pips are better used at the table and be fast and disruptive and yet chop and block at the same time, close to the table (i.e. Manika Batra). Far away from the table, chopping with long pips with 0.7mm sponge does not sound like a good overall strategy in the era of plastic balls.

Its not for me. Its for my 3rd ball big box practice, I want to serve to LP and attack 3rd ball

 

[Ultravisitor]

Its not for me. Its for my 3rd ball big box practice, I want to serve to LP and attack 3rd ball

Then get the dawei 388d-1 ox. It's very cheap, easy to use, but still has decent reversal.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Then get the dawei 388d-1 ox. It's very cheap, easy to use, but still has decent reversal.

I actually have 2 LP rubbers already, one is OX and one is 0.7mm.

I'm just wondering which would be easier to return serve with quality and control.

 

[Ultravisitor]

I actually have 2 LP rubbers already, one is OX and one is 0.7mm.

I'm just wondering which would be easier to return serve with quality and control.

Generally OX is easier to control, but really depends on the individual rubber. What are these rubbers?

 

[TensorBackhand]

Generally OX is easier to control, but really depends on the individual rubber. What are these rubbers?

Tibhar grass ox and yinhe qing 0.7mm

 

[blahness]

OX for sure....

 

[TensorBackhand]

OX for sure....

So what is the benefit of the sponge?

 

[John_]

It depends. sponge gives you some power and maximum backspin on chops, in return for some control, depending on what it is and what you want it for. Ox, in combination with the right pips, makes the ball drop and wobble.

General rule of thumb, sponge for chopping, ox for blocking.

 

[TensorBackhand]

It depends. sponge gives you some power and maximum backspin on chops, in return for some control, depending on what it is and what you want it for. Ox, in combination with the right pips, makes the ball drop and wobble.

General rule of thumb, sponge for chopping, ox for blocking.

Sounds like i should be using the ox for my multiball training. I just want to practice attacking those LP returns

 

[John_]

Sounds like i should be using the ox for my multiball training. I just want to practice attacking those LP returns

You play long pips?

If you mean train against them then find someone with good touch or that does play with lp and then tell them to open your serves with the lp's, that's where most points are lost against them and the most disturbing balls are made from.

 

[thisisit]

for familiarizing yourself with how long pips work, ox for sure. ox can offer the least amount of spin reversal and thus the most long pipy feeling.

 

[TensorBackhand]

for familiarizing yourself with how long pips work, ox for sure. ox can offer the least amount of spin reversal and thus the most long pipy feeling.

Explain that to me?

Isnt the most spin reversal the more tricky one?

 

[Ultravisitor]

Tibhar grass ox and yinhe qing 0.7mm

Between these 2 the Qing is easier to play.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Between these 2 the Qing is easier to play.

Why? The qing has thicker sponge

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

Regular Grass or Grass DTECS? They are very different. Vanilla Grass plays more like a conventional moderate pace and moderate grip lp and Dtecs plays faster flatter and slicker.

 

[piligrim]

Why? The qing has thicker sponge

Thicker sponge doesn't mean hard to play

 

[TensorBackhand]

Regular Grass or Grass DTECS? They are very different. Vanilla Grass plays more like a conventional moderate pace and moderate grip lp and Dtecs plays faster flatter and slicker.

It is Grass d.tecs