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Just watched the full match on cctv few hours ago. Ma Long did make too many mistake and judgment, especially on the choice of serving. Even the commentators are agreeing that Ma Long did not do and think well since the first match. Actually, most of his serve just kind of letting Niwa to open the attack first instead the other way round
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LGL: in order to clam down the crowd in the internet that you should play single in London Olympic, you can't always win.
ML: so, I must lose a game be4 LO.
LGL: hmmmm, but all games are so important to you!
ML: but how about this....
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LGL: this seems reasonable, if you look nervous. Done.
LGL: in order to clam down the crowd in the internet that you should play single in London Olympic, you can't always win.
ML: so, I must lose a game be4 LO.
LGL: hmmmm, but all games are so important to you!
ML: but how about this....
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LGL: this seems reasonable, if you look nervous. Done.
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I completely disagree. After watching the video and listening to the professional commentators (who in China actually know their stuff), Ma Long lost, Koki did not win. Ma Long was playing poorly the whole match right from the start. Could have been nerves, fatigue, who knows really except Ma Long and his coach.
Honestly, I don't see this loss as THAT big of a deal, I mean yes, its bad that he lost, but frankly I am sure Ma Long will come back from this better than ever. I mean I don't want to diminish Koki's victory, because it was very impressive, so don't give me wrong.
1) Ma Long's style isn't a good match up against Niwa. Niwa's style is mostly about staying right at the table and doing quick little shots and blocks that gives his opponents little time to react. When you combine that with the fact that Ma Long's style is all about pushing the pace, it means that the points start reaching speeds that start being past human ability to react to, even for those who are the best trained. Ma Long faced some of the same problems with he played Boll a few years back. Ma Long needs to work a bit more on just doing really high quality shots with more placement instead of just a ton of fast shots, which against most people works great, but against particular styles of play, can give him trouble.
2) Koki Niwa is probably has more potential than many of the other Japanese players, but despite that fact, I still am not sure whether he will be such a big thing. I mean a few years ago people were saying the same thing about Jun Mizutani, and it just hasn't panned out. He still is a solid player, but in the past 2-3 years, the fellow young Chinese that are his main competition have improved their games far more than he has improved his own. I mean in the most recent 2012 WTTTC, Dimitryi Ovtarcov destroyed Mizutani, even though a couple of years ago Mizutani generally won. Kenta Matsudaira is probably even a bigger example, after his match against Ma Lin everyone was jumping on his bandwagon, but today, he is almost an afterthought. Not only is he not a big threat to the Chinese players, he isn't that big of a threat to a ton of other players.
3) I am sure after this match, Ma Long being the quiet brooder like player that he is, will work a ton to close any weaknesses that he has against Koki's game. We saw him lose 4-0 or 3-0 against Seiya Keisikawa a couple of years back, and not he basically decimates him.
4) A lot of people were saying that Koki was the smarter player, etc etc, but frankly, I think a lot of it was just that Ma Long was playing like crap. Yes, Koki probably has a more consistent backhand and he exploited it against Ma Long, but regardless, Ma Long was missing some of the backhands that he normally never does. Plus, there were tons of times in that game where he missed relatively simple forehand loops.... He almost never does that.
1) Ma Long's style isn't a good match up against Niwa. Niwa's style is mostly about staying right at the table and doing quick little shots and blocks that gives his opponents little time to react. When you combine that with the fact that Ma Long's style is all about pushing the pace, it means that the points start reaching speeds that start being past human ability to react to, even for those who are the best trained. Ma Long faced some of the same problems with he played Boll a few years back. Ma Long needs to work a bit more on just doing really high quality shots with more placement instead of just a ton of fast shots, which against most people works great, but against particular styles of play, can give him trouble.
2) Koki Niwa is probably has more potential than many of the other Japanese players, but despite that fact, I still am not sure whether he will be such a big thing. I mean a few years ago people were saying the same thing about Jun Mizutani, and it just hasn't panned out. He still is a solid player, but in the past 2-3 years, the fellow young Chinese that are his main competition have improved their games far more than he has improved his own. I mean in the most recent 2012 WTTTC, Dimitryi Ovtarcov destroyed Mizutani, even though a couple of years ago Mizutani generally won. Kenta Matsudaira is probably even a bigger example, after his match against Ma Lin everyone was jumping on his bandwagon, but today, he is almost an afterthought. Not only is he not a big threat to the Chinese players, he isn't that big of a threat to a ton of other players.
3) I am sure after this match, Ma Long being the quiet brooder like player that he is, will work a ton to close any weaknesses that he has against Koki's game. We saw him lose 4-0 or 3-0 against Seiya Keisikawa a couple of years back, and not he basically decimates him.
4) A lot of people were saying that Koki was the smarter player, etc etc, but frankly, I think a lot of it was just that Ma Long was playing like crap. Yes, Koki probably has a more consistent backhand and he exploited it against Ma Long, but regardless, Ma Long was missing some of the backhands that he normally never does. Plus, there were tons of times in that game where he missed relatively simple forehand loops.... He almost never does that.
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well i'm not happy, that ma long lost again, but i´m happy, that it was koki, who defeated him 
he is the rising star and will be the next boll in touching china. he just had the mental power on his site. ma long had everything to lose. koki nothing. and you can see, that this little guy is really clever and fearless (a thing, that ma long can learn from koki). all in all it was a win for koki and a loss for ma long
he is the rising star and will be the next boll in touching china. he just had the mental power on his site. ma long had everything to lose. koki nothing. and you can see, that this little guy is really clever and fearless (a thing, that ma long can learn from koki). all in all it was a win for koki and a loss for ma long
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Okay, it looks to me like Ma Long destroys Koki in the first game. And somewhere in the second game Koki stops giving Long the ball to his forehand and then he starts realizing that Ma Long's backhand cannot handle his forehand: Lefty forehand against righty backhand is a bad matchup. Then he starts going down the line backhand to backhand and realizes he can take care of him there as well. Then all of a sudden Long is thinking backhand and Niwa starts going to his forehand at odd times as well and Ma Long was not ready for it.
They will be able to take care of the tactics that got Ma Long off balance. But Koki's playing and in game adjustment of strategy took care of Ma Long. Ma Long missed a lot of those shots because he got out thought. Look at that first game and then look at the changes Koki makes somewhere in the middle of the second game. That was a tactical victory. He made Ma Long look like he was not playing well because he kept him off balance and used tactics Long was not prepared to handle.
They will be able to take care of the tactics that got Ma Long off balance. But Koki's playing and in game adjustment of strategy took care of Ma Long. Ma Long missed a lot of those shots because he got out thought. Look at that first game and then look at the changes Koki makes somewhere in the middle of the second game. That was a tactical victory. He made Ma Long look like he was not playing well because he kept him off balance and used tactics Long was not prepared to handle.
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HAHAAHA Of course the Chinese and other commentators would say that, Ma Long, the world no1, the horse dragon, the most electrifying forehand the game had ever seen... lost to a junior Japanese was unthinkable... Ma Long didn't play well, and Koki was clever enough to capitalize.
He played better than Ma Long. He didn't miss easy forehands and backhands, he placed the ball well, if Ma long's BH is not working properly, he was accurate enough to placed the ball there, if Ma Long was not moving well, he has the presence of mind to move Ma Long around, He pressured Ma Long and made sure the world no1 did not recover. I watched the game from their warm up right up to the end of the match, live. I would say, all credits to Koki. In sports, a lost is still a lost, no matter how you put it. Learn from the lost and be a better player in the future.
Can't go around shaking your opponents hand and say "Dude, you were lucky I didn't play well today, any other day I would've thrashed you"
Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Edberg and many others more have lost to much much lower ranking players in their career, but they never say, "I didn't lose but you didn't win either". They may admit they didn't play well, but they will always say their opponents play better than they did. That's what sportsmanship is all about. In sports, you win some, you lose some..suck it up, and move on I say.Every dog has it's day, Koki just had his..and boy, what a day it was
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HAHAAHA Of course the Chinese and other commentators would say that, Ma Long, the world no1, the horse dragon, the most electrifying forehand the game had ever seen... lost to a junior Japanese was unthinkable... Ma Long didn't play well, and Koki was clever enough to capitalize.
He played better than Ma Long. He didn't miss easy forehands and backhands, he placed the ball well, if Ma long's BH is not working properly, he was accurate enough to placed the ball there, if Ma Long was not moving well, he has the presence of mind to move Ma Long around, He pressured Ma Long and made sure the world no1 did not recover. I watched the game from their warm up right up to the end of the match, live. I would say, all credits to Koki. In sports, a lost is still a lost, no matter how you put it. Learn from the lost and be a better player in the future.
Can't go around shaking your opponents hand and say "Dude, you were lucky I didn't play well today, any other day I would've thrashed you"
Every dog has it's day, Koki just had his..and boy, what a day it was
And Ma Long starts the match on fire. Koki's tactics starting in the second game, throw Ma Long off rhythm. Very good adjustments in the match by Koki.
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Can't go around shaking your opponents hand and say "Dude, you were lucky I didn't play well today, any other day I would've thrashed you"
Damn, azlan why you remind me of one of the playing partner of mine over here lol...
He always using the "I could not play well, it is too humid, ball always bounce at the end of table" as execuse lol. But actually there is some minor adjustment he then can improve his game.
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Thanx scylla24 for showing such a Confidence in Ma Long... My views are also same.. It gives me a reilef when i hear same comments as mine
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I was astonished when I watched the game. But it might actually help ma long to train even harder. This will also make ma long lose the pressure that he has because most people have high expectations from him.
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HAHAAHA Of course the Chinese and other commentators would say that, Ma Long, the world no1, the horse dragon, the most electrifying forehand the game had ever seen... lost to a junior Japanese was unthinkable... Ma Long didn't play well, and Koki was clever enough to capitalize.
He played better than Ma Long. He didn't miss easy forehands and backhands, he placed the ball well, if Ma long's BH is not working properly, he was accurate enough to placed the ball there, if Ma Long was not moving well, he has the presence of mind to move Ma Long around, He pressured Ma Long and made sure the world no1 did not recover. I watched the game from their warm up right up to the end of the match, live. I would say, all credits to Koki. In sports, a lost is still a lost, no matter how you put it. Learn from the lost and be a better player in the future.
Can't go around shaking your opponents hand and say "Dude, you were lucky I didn't play well today, any other day I would've thrashed you"
Every dog has it's day, Koki just had his..and boy, what a day it was
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HAHAAHA Of course the Chinese and other commentators would say that, Ma Long, the world no1, the horse dragon, the most electrifying forehand the game had ever seen... lost to a junior Japanese was unthinkable... Ma Long didn't play well, and Koki was clever enough to capitalize.
He played better than Ma Long. He didn't miss easy forehands and backhands, he placed the ball well, if Ma long's BH is not working properly, he was accurate enough to placed the ball there, if Ma Long was not moving well, he has the presence of mind to move Ma Long around, He pressured Ma Long and made sure the world no1 did not recover. I watched the game from their warm up right up to the end of the match, live. I would say, all credits to Koki. In sports, a lost is still a lost, no matter how you put it. Learn from the lost and be a better player in the future.
Can't go around shaking your opponents hand and say "Dude, you were lucky I didn't play well today, any other day I would've thrashed you"
Every dog has it's day, Koki just had his..and boy, what a day it was
+1 could not put it much better, am a big ML fan but koki played better that day, if they ever play again in the future id still be rooting for ML, everybody looses at 1 point or another no matter how good their games are or what perfect winning streak they have, but it also does not mean that ML cant deliver a gold in the olympics or that he has shaky nerves, its a loss to ML and it is what it is. just my opinion though
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Exactly buddy. Ma Long is no doubt a very good player. I like watching him play. I was disappointed to see him lose, the same way to see Barca lose, Nadal lose, Federer lose...but it doesn't mean they're rubbish players/teams. Ma Long is still in the team, I had no doubt that he's going to the Olympics from day 1.
Just that, there are days you woke up at the wrong side of the bed, and your opponents make you pay for it. I've lost to much worse players in 30 years playing this game that I can't be bothered to bother about it
After all, it's just tabletennis
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Exactly buddy. Ma Long is no doubt a very good player. I like watching him play. I was disappointed to see him lose, the same way to see Barca lose, Nadal lose, Federer lose...but it doesn't mean they're rubbish players/teams. Ma Long is still in the team, I had no doubt that he's going to the Olympics from day 1.
Just that, there are days you woke up at the wrong side of the bed, and your opponents make you pay for it. I've lost to much worse players in 30 years playing this game that I can't be bothered to bother about it
Yup. Ma Long just had his bad day.
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Yup. Ma Long just had his bad day.
"No one has passed into the roads of success without passing the road of failures"
Wang Liqin almost did
If only he hadn't damaged his rubber... xD
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Wang Liqin almost did
yup, and what is most hurting is it happened during the biggest event- Olympics
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yup, and what is most hurting is it happened during the biggest event- Olympics
Indeed, the moment couldn't have been worse. It shows that even if you are that good, you still need some luck to win everything there is to win. Nonetheless, WLQ is a legend of course.
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one thing about being chinese is you got to take in all the narrator's comments in the game and let me tell you, out of that whole 7:40 minutes all they have done is criticizing, not just the regular journalism reports, they bad mouth Niwa and judge his ways from first game, demonizing and call Niwa the "Cold Bench" (unexpected low rank bench player) and later they turn their blame focused on Long. They are not like other reporters doing cheering or appraising, they lay judgement on everything like "Long can do better in this shot compare to last regional tournament this is easy, Long can't hold on himself and should control more in this and that., 2 month ago he beat this kid 4 to 1 and he can do it again.., I see Long's shot quality today is too low and Niwa's brutally attacking his weak spot (duh ?)., this is not Long's style and should and should not do yada yada the game may be rigged... go on and on, its totally one sided view and full of hor**** and I rather watch the game in its RAW form, no commenting, just straight documentary.
I am happy Niwasan won this qualify for Japan
I am happy Niwasan won this qualify for Japan
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