Major change to Der_Echte's play style

[Shuki]

Gmiller: something you should know, based on what you just said about your rotator cuff injury: training your BH, the motion of a controlled BH will cause your rotator cuff muscles in that arm to strengthen. The controlled BH stroke is very similar to some standard rotator cuff strengthening exercises without the racket and with a cable or rubber-band instead.

That might not equate to a big backhand in a game situation. But training the BH with controlled strokes will strengthen the rotator cuff muscles.


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Gmiller is one of those players that has very good, extremely consistent strokes in drills but loses his great form as soon as a game starts. I can honestly say his controlled backhand strokes are his best stroke in terms of "correctness". But because of how consistent he is with it, I'm not sure if I've ever seen him drill it very long. I think drilling it longer could help his rotator cuff injury quite a bit.

I've noticed in games he did however deviate from the backhand as much except for chops. Maybe this is because he wants to hit winners and the pain when he tries to hit a winner with his backhand is a bit much.

 

[Nuke Skywalker]

I let OOAK member Jaspican use it and he loved it, said it really blocked good. he also hit his first 5 loops in a row... and he is a defender. I asked him if the bat felt 160 or 170 grams... he said 170. Hiz eyes popped out when I explained it was over 200 and the weight in bottom. And this is a dude that likes really light setups. The weight in the bottom makes all the difference.

Yes, this is true. (Japsican here). I was very surprised at how nimble the KJH blade. It's almost...ALMOST making me want to become an attacker. I've become so enamored with this mod, that I've done it to my Stiga Allround Carbon and one of my Defplay Senso blades. The Stiga wasn't all that hollow, but in the small space that it did have, I glued it and put in some wall nails. Instantly that blade is much more stable and nimble.
The Defplay is completely hollow and open on one end, so the mod is super easy to perform. Made it wield like a blade that doesn't have an enlarged head, and the chopping is still super stable. I have yet to play with the Defplay in a match situation though.

The stiga is now 197g, and the Defplay is 185g (with Long Pips). I have no joint issues using either of them. Hooray for physics!

 

[rokphish]

Pics of the mod if available please... During and after? Or perhaps the items used? Thanks

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Pics of the mod if available please... During and after? Or perhaps the items used? Thanks

Here is a thread with photos of a modification of a different blade.

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?9048-Re-Building-the-BEAST

I bumped that thread, because, well, why not.

Let's see if this works. This is the OP from that thread.

Hey everyone, since my last chat with Carl on a thread we drifted off and ended up hijacking, we discussed that thread's OP's Stiga Allround Evolution.

I thought about how to make it more offensive minded. Outside of making MYSELF more offensive minded, I decided to go in the only direction remaining...

Make it HEAVY !!!

and make it heavy I did.

I took a few steps, took my time, and it all took ONE HOUR to do.

1- I removed both rubbers and applied a thin coat of polyurethane wood sealer since I forgot last time.


2- I SLOWLY used an artist's putty knife to go down the top handle and remove it

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3- I examined the result and YOU, Carl waz right, 100x moar hollow than a President's moral gas tank. Blade weighed 85 ish grams.

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4 - I filled in all the hollow space with a thick bolt, a nut, and a ton of .2 gram nails in BOTH the hollowed blade and handle - no pics sorry

5 - Weighed each rubber 48 and 50 grams

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6- I weighed the bat without grip tape - 117 grams - THAT is BETTER

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7 - I put on grip tape and bumped up the weight of the blade to around 120 grams

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8 - Put on rubbers and overall weight 218+ grams! Hard to see with the light but it topped out at 218+ Gs

EDIT, Pic on next post

I took a couple of swings and MAN this blade is suddenly SOLID! Gunna try it out today with the rec crowd.

Cool. Second try I got the photos to come through.

 

[Der_Echte]

Heat gun saved me a lot of time and grief doing Calix II and Qabod. CEO of Nexy USA is about to launch an aggressive sale on those calix series.

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[rokphish]

Waiting for sale in the KJH...

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

The KJH blade is a really nice blade.

 

[Shuki]

Heat gun saved me a lot of time and grief doing Calix II and Qabod. CEO of Nexy USA is about to launch an aggressive sale on those calix series.

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how aggressive? I've had a brand new unused calix I for over a year trying to sell for 100USD which is damn cheap for that blade, and there's simply no biter's after they test my used version of it. I ended up selling the used calix I to a friend for a very low 40$ because he loved the blade. Also had used mx-p on both sides.

the used version had a couple dings and sweat stains. and the dings were extremely minor, but he was a friend.

 

[Der_Echte]

I waved the gun back and forth about a minute. Slid putty knife under and heated some more.

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[Der_Echte]

To a person not following thread or throwing what is involved in the beast mod...

All that talk about guns and knives would come across totally the wrong way.

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[rokphish]

In America, talk about guns would come across the wrong way anyway... [emoji41]

 

[Der_Echte]

So Der echte, you said you had a rotator cuff tear???? do you think this could have something to do (either physically or even subconscious)with using the back hand less? I have actually wanted to start a thread on rotator cuff injurys and backhand play and I still will do that sometime. I played a lot of competitiveness baseball up through college and suffered a rotator cuff injury in college and as result coming to table tennis I have found playing some backhand shots are not smooth or even a bit painful. Looping backspin for me on the back hand is the most constant shot I feel something on. I have a strong arm and I don't really think about this until I feel it. If you are a strong guy (sounds like that may be the case) you could easily have musicals built up in, and around Your shoulder enough for you to not normally think about it but you shoulder joint may not move as smooth, effortless in the backhand sometimes? I may be way off. every injury is different etc but my back hand play development has been affected buy this old injury .

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HI Gmiller. I tore my hitting arm shoulder rotator cuff nearly totally off. Was hanging together by a few threads.

How I injured it is not exactly clear, but 3 hrs of standing in a parade at parade rest, pulling 50 snow blower start pull cords, pushing a few dozen cars out of snow, shoveling snow, and laying down extending arm to break up packed snow under the highcentered cars... happened sometime during that.

 

[Der_Echte]

I am a strong enough dude anyone who has seen me. I have many be shots, but the bh loop vs underpin I can really whip it and make a boat load of spin. The stroke is compact enough, but the whip is explosive.

I had this injury about 16 months ago, I started to bh fh happy maybe 6 months ago. I was bh spin happy once injury healed enough to allow a bh loop.

 

[ttmonster]

Funny coincidence ... we got back on topic , you posted and I was learning about the "one algorithm hypothesis" .

Here is a theory, you had already accumulated loads of experience in terms of touch , feel etc. through the years, and probably more so for your backhand stroke than your forehand stroke judging from the fact we know that you are famous for the variety of shots on your backhand.

You had an injury that prevented you from executing BH loops the way you like.

Subconsciously, your brain might have rewired some of that experience on to your forehand and your forehand stroke has become stronger ....

I am a strong enough dude anyone who has seen me. I have many be shots, but the bh loop vs underpin I can really whip it and make a boat load of spin. The stroke is compact enough, but the whip is explosive.

I had this injury about 16 months ago, I started to bh fh happy maybe 6 months ago. I was bh spin happy once injury healed enough to allow a bh loop.

 

[Der_Echte]

The injury happened when I waz pretty much out of any regualr TT, except for a visit to Boston every few months. Injury slowed me down for 4 months, then it finally healed enough to start using the BH, then I went BH banana CRAZY for the next 6 months.

The FH step around as an automatic response is something that is happening maybe 6 months ago.

 

[ttmonster]

May be you secretly started dating Fang Bo's girlfriend , albeit mythical ? ... for all we know that could might well have been the deep subconscious trigger ...

The injury happened when I waz pretty much out of any regualr TT, except for a visit to Boston every few months. Injury slowed me down for 4 months, then it finally healed enough to start using the BH, then I went BH banana CRAZY for the next 6 months.

The FH step around as an automatic response is something that is happening maybe 6 months ago.

 

[Der_Echte]

Surely did not date a hot TT GF, but if somehow it got around I did, my wife would do such a bang-up job of bumping her off that the Goon Squads would live in fear and Loretta Bobbit would be viewed as kids play.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

The injury happened when I waz pretty much out of any regualr TT, except for a visit to Boston every few months. Injury slowed me down for 4 months, then it finally healed enough to start using the BH, then I went BH banana CRAZY for the next 6 months.

The FH step around as an automatic response is something that is happening maybe 6 months ago.

I still insist it was there in September when I said something to you about it and you said, "If the ball goes to my BH, I take it with my BH." And I had seen, over and over again, you take balls to your BH wing, step around and fade at a wide angle with great placement. I did not see too many of those come back.

 

[Der_Echte]

It was the fade I waz denying. In doing that shot, I pretty much put it away in a straight line with little if any real fade. I was going for either real heavy spin or power speed.

 

[ttmonster]

I just wonder who goes to her hair salon ...

Loretta Bobbit would be viewed as kids play.