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Your technique is suboptimal. As @songdavid98 said, you are doing something wrong, you don't understand it is wrong, and you continue doing it. And then under pressure it fails you, but you think it is you, not realizing that what you are doing is wrong even if you think it is correct.
To piggy back off this, one of the things that made me a much calmer player was coming to terms with my technical limitations. When you understand and appreciate the gap between your technique and optimal technique, you either adopt it or accept your own limitations and come up with your solution. Part of the reason I analyzed the full match @Zezima was to help you appreciate the gap between how you might see yourself and how an offensive player sees the match.
 
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A few random points: no, I am not a forehand player, I am a two-winged looper, but any player who wants to adjust to a ball that can move suddenly at any time in its travel path is better off using the forehand than the backhand because the forehand has more options for adjusting the swing path than the backhand does. Even the recent controversy about Lin Shidong's game and his ability to use the forehand, it is tied to this. Forehand training is the basis of most footwork training, partly for long balls, it is the far more versatile and powerful shot. Backhand is the basis of most short ball training because of the modern flick, but historically, pushing and flicking was forehand dominated as well and most footwork was built to support this. So even if you are a backhand player or want to use your backhand mostly (think Dima), you need to train your ability to use forehand on more balls because 1. this new ball will force you to play more shots and 2. you will struggle to play many long balls with the backhand unless you play Kreanga size backhands (and even he will tell you that you can't do that with the backhand consistently, though Noshad and Jorgic might argue a little).
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On equipment: you are wasting too much time on the properties of the rubber unless your make it a priority that you want it to facilitate *your passive game*, in which case if you look at Butterfly, you need to think seriously about the 80 and 64 rubbers. The main thing is to pick a rubber that a good player uses and then to master it. Every rubber has benefits and negatives. You have to figure out how to make it work for you. I am usually confused when people say they need T05FX or softer rubber on backhand etc. But I have usually tried to accelerate on my backhand like I do on my forehand and vice versa. IF you master arm acceleration, it doesn't matter. But what will matter for you is your play out of the passive game. And the passive game of T80 is somewhat better than the passive game of T05 and T19. T64 has the best passive game by far. Tenergy though is a reactive sponge. No, on your backhand you don't loop upwards, what no one has shown you and what you haven't practiced is how to play and develop a high level backhand topspin. When you do, these statements will matter less.
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Most players struggle to push serves that are short with low amount of backspin, especially if they read them as backspin serves. So this makes them pop up the ball and creates attack opportunities. And if you are an offensive player (and sometimes even if you are not), all you want is the opponent to give you an opportunity. That is the goal of most serving from an offensive player. So if you don't like attacking behind backspin and are comfortable being attacked, then serve less backspin so two things happen - either they attack you and you then defend and get the ball to a place they don't like, or they push and pop it up and you get a chance to attack.
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Flat hitting shows you what happens when you make solid contact with the ball. Lots of balls that are loose are easier to smash than we realize but if we always brush, then we lose the ability to make solid contact with the ball with a smash. But sometimes you can smash with spin or smash completely flat. But because you are using more racket to contact the ball, you take less risk on the brush. Easier with a softer rubber especially if you play away from the table.
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If I had to pick one thing, just practice things that make you accelerate the forearm much more and practice things that make you move and play a forehand repeatedly. Getting better at moving always raises the level.

I don't know about those rubbers except for the t19 but thats for fh not bh (I planned)
T64 seems a fast rubber with high speed property which I don't need I have lots of power in my forearm and my wrist is very lose. To the point that I need to understand controlling my bh power better. Maybe shorter snappier not so lose wrist a bit firmer.

Actually this entire afternoon I have been replying to you all its been busy I think I did 0 research on the rubbers that might fit better than the ones I am currently using for match.

okey and if I give them heavy backspin serve and they don't lift the ball but do a light backspin stroke? What kind of ball am I getting the same backspin as I put in? Compared to light backspin and they push light back = light backspin on my side. I like heavy push that way I can comfortable brush it as hard as I want since its hard to loop those out. But many people push light or almost no spin. Where I am scared to loop out or into the net so I decide for medium pace and sometimes end up too short.

Flat hitting shows you what happens when you make solid contact with the ball. Lots of balls that are loose are easier to smash than we realize but if we always brush, then we lose the ability to make solid contact with the ball with a smash. But sometimes you can smash with spin or smash completely flat. But because you are using more racket to contact the ball, you take less risk on the brush. Easier with a softer rubber especially if you play away from the table.
This is why my smash is bad. I have been always looping with brush motion. I can only smash higher balls but anything I try to brush or drive it slowly back
 
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That means you don’t understand what you are doing.
I never said I do. :p When it works it works I don't dwell on it. When my backhand opener works in training I don't try to memorize how low I was squatting at what point did I make contact with the ball etc. It all happens unconscious.
I just try to get reps in and pray to gods I will memorize it for the future and make less mistakes. In matches my subconsious is scared and tells me to rather push the ball back lets not take risks.
 
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@ThePongCommenter means well, we all don't coach the same way, and I can sound like him on some days as well. Living where you don't get exposed to higher level player wisdom is hard, so it can be a bit annoying to get higher level player wisdom being debated repeatedly. But what he is saying is in line with what a lot of even the experienced players, many of whom have posted videos on the site repeatedly like @Takkyu_wa_inochi and @dingyibvs have told you already. You just aren't a great politician when dealing with their advice.

You can play fine with any blade and any rubber combination that is reasonable. Usually, slow blade and fast rubber (so your Korbel would usually go with something non-sticky) or fast blade and sticky/hybrid rubbers. Remember I told you that using a Korbel with Dignics 09c didn't really make sense to me. But everyone learns and experiences things, there are benefits and negatives to everything. But in the end, the main thing is your ability to accelerate the forearm in away that keeps you confident that the ball will land on the table because of the spin and not because you patted it.

Going from sticky rubber to non-sticky for most players is a different dance but you know yourself. Good luck with any changes and let's see how it goes. Gotta disappear in a few.
and why would you say that about rubber combination I mean. I just feel like korbel is not a slow blade at all. It gives me the same speed as my long 5 or w968. I just liked the feedback more. I have tried slow blades and this one is definetly not on the slower end. But I don't know what I should trust anymore.
 
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All you think about is me, me, me, me, me...
You don't think about your opponent?
Classic chess problem.

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You have a history of not recognizing the spin.
You have a thread about it.
I see videos where you fail to read.

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If you fail to read spin, techniques and tactics don't even matter.
No wonder you have a mental block.
You looping fails sometimes and you don't understand why.

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Stop blaming your technique and start blaming the opponent's spin.

You loop the ball and succeed? You read the spin correctly.
You loop the ball into the net? Opponent did something and you misread. Remember it and know you should spin up more.
You loop the ball out? Opponent did something and you misread. Remember it and go forward more.

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In a match, you start collecting this history of what your opponent does.
Even if it costs you a few points, even 1 or 2 games, you keep collecting data.
Eventually you have this library of everything your opponent tried and might do and the resulting spin.

You use this library against them to turn a 0-2 into a 3-2.

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You should build trust with your strokes and distrust of your opponent. "What suspicious tricks will my opponent try next?"
This way you trust your body.
This should help you consciously do the techniques you want at 9-9 and 10-10.
Maybe no more mental block
 
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Okay. At a certain point you will have to figure it out yourself if it works for you. I have told you how better players think, you are free to disagree with them. This is not an unusual debate by the way, some people talk about Lin Gaoyuan's unreliable game, but some people say it is because his technique is not stable enough with spin to handle pressure moments. So you are not unique in having your own disagreements.
oh yeah he is a great example of having good technique and footwork even but scrambles mentality wise. I guess he needs a whip from the chinese coaches and train 24h a day instead
 
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and why would you say that about rubber combination I mean. I just feel like korbel is not a slow blade at all. It gives me the same speed as my long 5 or w968. I just liked the feedback more. I have tried slow blades and this one is definetly not on the slower end. But I don't know what I should trust anymore.
If I see you talk about equipment one more time and it's not about price or durability, i'm actually going to give up on you.
 
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Wrong, your goal should be to read how much backspin every push has.
I mean whatever push I get as a response loop from my side.

But yeah how do you get better at this aspect? My brain can't calculate the rps of the incoming ball. Each rubber reacts differently aswell. Each table slows down the ball different each ball is different...

I always did the guessing game and somehow trust my guts to memorize when done correctly and hope it is telling me the right way in matchplay aswell.
 
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I mean whatever push I get as a response loop from my side.

But yeah how do you get better at this aspect? My brain can't calculate the rps of the incoming ball. Each rubber reacts differently aswell. Each table slows down the ball different each ball is different...

I always did the guessing game and somehow trust my guts to memorize when done correctly and hope it is telling me the right way in matchplay aswell.

You get better at it by trying.
Looping will tell you if you guess too much backspin or if you guess too little backspin or if you guess correctly.

That's why I never get a bad feeling from looping, because I always collect data on my opponent.

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If you give up and stop looping, you stop collecting data, and you will never get better at guessing how much backspin there is.
 
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All you think about is me, me, me, me, me...
You don't think about your opponent?
Classic chess problem.

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You have a history of not recognizing the spin.
You have a thread about it.
I see videos where you fail to read.

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If you fail to read spin, techniques and tactics don't even matter.
No wonder you have a mental block.
You looping fails sometimes and you don't understand why.

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Stop blaming your technique and start blaming the opponent's spin.

You loop the ball and succeed? You read the spin correctly.
You loop the ball into the net? Opponent did something and you misread. Remember it and know you should spin up more.
You loop the ball out? Opponent did something and you misread. Remember it and go forward more.

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In a match, you start collecting this history of what your opponent does.
Even if it costs you a few points, even 1 or 2 games, you keep collecting data.
Eventually you have this library of everything your opponent tried and might do and the resulting spin.

You use this library against them to turn a 0-2 into a 3-2.

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You should build trust with your strokes and distrust of your opponent. "What suspicious tricks will my opponent try next?"
This way you trust your body.
This should help you consciously do the techniques you want at 9-9 and 10-10.
Maybe no more mental block
My mental is too loaded so if both happens going into the net and out I go passive playstyle. It makes me too unsure. I don't have the capacity to remember that spin and how my strokepath, how my acceleration etc was.
I guess I am just not talented enough...
And then I stop collecting data because I don't even try looping. I wish I had that mentality. In training it feels like I don't need to collect data aswell because I end the point very quick and almost everything I do works. This is why I could never build that skill I guess.
I play in an environment where either I get too strong opponents or too weak. If I had more balanced matches to practise against I think I would be able to build that skill naturally.
 
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If I see you talk about equipment one more time and it's not about price or durability, i'm actually going to give up on you.
what do you mean? I am super confused been invested in this thread for the past few hours now. I don't want to make a bad decision so I will sleep over it today and think about it tomorrow.
 
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You get better at it by trying.
Looping will tell you if you guess too much backspin or if you guess too little backspin or if you guess correctly.

That's why I never get a bad feeling from looping, because I always collect data on my opponent.

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If you give up and stop looping, you stop collecting data, and you will never get better at guessing how much backspin there is.
yeah I can totally understand it now. Since I am looping every 5 ball exchanges or so lets say I already forget the loop from that past 5 points so its also really hard to track and memorize it. You know this exactly just gave me the confidence boost somehow right now. Since I clearly see the benefit of it. Whenever the negative emotions come up I will shut that inner voice and keep looping even if I clearly know I will loop it out or whatever. This same problem has been reflected in my real life aswell and I finally want to break it.

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oh yeah he is a great example of having good technique and footwork even but scrambles mentality wise. I guess he needs a whip from the chinese coaches and train 24h a day instead
No, Lin doesn't. He is known as one of the hardest working players on the team. The problem is that most amateurs read stories into things they don't understand and turn a technical problem into a psychological one. Most of the players he lost to were just better players. Even in tennis, Sabalenka used to have the yips. Then she got a coach that fixed her technique - yips went away. Now she is a mentally strong server while before her serve was a weakness. So which is it, was she mentally weak when she was double faulting, or was she technically limited? People turn technical issues into psychological issues quickly. They should not.

It is common for beginning amateurs to get mad when they smash a lob and miss rather than ask themselves things like how often do they practice against lob, how well did they move their feet to get into position for the lob etc. In fact, some of your problems with using your forehand would go away if you got your younger brother to feed you multiball hitting lobs to you from a bucket of balls. You would realize that you need move your feet to get into position and stand side on to handle them and that you can't just make them standing flat footed at and square to the table. But when you become technically aware and you watch a player miss, you can see why he missed from a technical standpoint sometimes, even when he thinks that he was doing everything correctly or that the ball was easy. But I used to be that amateur at one time, so I have some sympathy for them sometimes. But at a certain point, the ones with attitudes you just give up on them because they don't want to know what they don't know.
 
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yeah I can totally understand it now. Since I am looping every 5 ball exchanges or so lets say I already forget the loop from that past 5 points so its also really hard to track and memorize it. You know this exactly just gave me the confidence boost somehow right now. Since I clearly see the benefit of it. Whenever the negative emotions come up I will shut that inner voice and keep looping even if I clearly know I will loop it out or whatever. This same problem has been reflected in my real life aswell and I finally want to break it.

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You don't memorize the loop.
You memorize the push.

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If I see a push and I think that is 40 rps and I loop it out:
I remember what the push looked like and say "that was probably 20 rps".

The next time I see that push, I will recognize it: "hey there's the 20 rps push he did like last time".
Now I know I need to loop the ball lower.
 
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You don't memorize the loop.
You memorize the push.

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If I see a push and I think that is 40 rps and I loop it out:
I remember what the push looked like and say "that was probably 20 rps".

The next time I see that push, I will recognize it: "hey there's the 20 rps push he did like last time".
Now I know I need to loop the ball lower.
This is a little neurotic, it could be more digestible by dumbing it down to being conscious that your opponent likes to use a heavy push on their forehand but bumps it more on their backhand.
 
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Yes I am working on this. I just don't know where to move in the first few exchanges especially. The reason why I moved to the left there was because I played a good quality ball to his deep backhand and I was like ok he can only play to my backhand. I immediately knew that I can't wait in the fh side so I ran to the left. But most of the other times I don't know where to place myself and because of my reach I don't move at all.

I do drills that make me move after each shot. It definetly got better over the years and in this game even. But I agree it needs more work.

Movement is about more than just getting from point A to point B. Recovery/regaining balance and dropping/gathering your weight for the next shot all starts from the ground up. Even if you're never going to be as fleet and fluid as a smaller person, you should definitely be capable of moving more fluidly than you are in these videos.

These are basic movement principles in any sport. Here's a great video geared toward tennis instruction, but the principle applies just as easily to table tennis. You might be surprised by just how much maintaining the feeling of being in motion will improve your fluidity.


If you like to watch pro players, pay attention next time you watch to how little time their feet actually spend on the ground.
 
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and why would you say that about rubber combination I mean. I just feel like korbel is not a slow blade at all. It gives me the same speed as my long 5 or w968. I just liked the feedback more. I have tried slow blades and this one is definetly not on the slower end. But I don't know what I should trust anymore.
Most of what you are looking for is found in the land of technique. Equipment does important things, but @songdavid98 is doing you a favor by not entertaining your equipment nonsense. The good news for you is that you haven't entirely wasted your time and you know how to keep the ball on the table away from the table better than most players your level. The bad news is that you don't know how to optimally move and hit the ball. None of this is a big deal. The most important thing is to decide how you want to play and play that way.
 
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I actually have same problem. Always feel tight and scared to attack :(
I've been playing all kinds of sports my all life, some at a pretty high level.

It's very common to see people underperform due to them putting too much pressure on themselves. It's like they care too much.

This, of course - is counter-productive. Because what you should aim for, in every sport - is to enter the free-flowing state of calm and joy - this will enable you to bring your best potential out during the game. When your mind is focused but not fearful.

playing timid, scared, is like playing with your hands tied. But it's you that tied your own hands.

The challenge is to care enough to improve, but also be calm enough to be in a positive head space what will allow you to preform your best.

It's just a game, man. Do you best and live with the result.
If you can have this attitude, your results will even get better.
 
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