Method to learn Chiquita with opposite sidespin

[blahness]

So I have been toying with this concept for a while, and I have seen some pros use it (LYJ, FZD, LGY, etc...), but I seldom see any discussion about it.

So basically the concept is for a right hander, the BH chiquita flick will always produce clockwise sidespin. However, in certain situations it is beneficial to generate anticlockwise sidespin with the chiquita to increase the angle (especially to the wide FH) and to lengthen dwell time (especially against BH pendulum).

So this is not a strawberry flick btw (used by say Gauzy etc...) which is far less powerful (due to much less body support).

So what I found worked for me at least was to start with the BH sideswipe movement (basically similar to serving BH pendulum) and start adding the upper body rotation in first. Then, add thumb driven supination to that sideswipe movement - this will generate the topspin in the sideswipe. Final step is just about gradually adding power to it.

Has anyone encountered any videos or tutorials about this chiquita variant?

 

[greenbeanmachine]

what is the body position of this flick that you are imagining? I can only imagine doing a strawberry flick in order to create anticlockwise spin.

 

[blahness]

what is the body position of this flick that you are imagining? I can only imagine doing a strawberry flick in order to create anticlockwise spin.

Backswing position is the same as chiquita (upper body leaning forward and rotated, racket tip pointed towards your stomach) .

I also know how to do strawberry flicks, but this is different because in the strawberry flick the elbow is going up during the stroke but for chiquita the elbow goes sideways or even downwards.

 

[NextLevel]

what is the body position of this flick that you are imagining? I can only imagine doing a strawberry flick in order to create anticlockwise spin.

It is basically an over the table backhand fade vs underspin/sidespin.

 

[blahness]

So the first few chiquitas (notice they are all done against reverse pendulum type sidespin) have opposite sidespin on them. As compared to something like 1:13 or 1:49 which has the normal chiquita sidespin on it.

 

[Amayzde]

Looks like these can only be don against sidespin and side-topspin.

 

[blahness]

Looks like these can only be don against sidespin and side-topspin.

It is easier to do it against nonunderspin serves for sure, but you can still do it against backspin or sidebackspin by opening the racket angle.

 

[Amayzde]

It is easier to do it against nonunderspin serves for sure, but you can still do it against backspin or sidebackspin by opening the racket angle.

I think this is the closest video of what you are looking for. It might not really be a chiquita. But this video of about hitting the right side of the ball (for righthanders) to fake the direction you re going.

 

[blahness]

I think this is the closest video of what you are looking for. It might not really be a chiquita. But this video of about hitting the right side of the ball (for righthanders) to fake the direction you re going.

Yeah, tbh this video is close - you just need to extend the backswing until the bat points towards the stomach to make it more of a chiquita movement (also makes it even easier to contact the right side of the ball).

 

[ck1407]

So I have been toying with this concept for a while, and I have seen some pros use it (LYJ, FZD, LGY, etc...), but I seldom see any discussion about it.

So basically the concept is for a right hander, the BH chiquita flick will always produce clockwise sidespin. However, in certain situations it is beneficial to generate anticlockwise sidespin with the chiquita to increase the angle (especially to the wide FH) and to lengthen dwell time (especially against BH pendulum).

So this is not a strawberry flick btw (used by say Gauzy etc...) which is far less powerful (due to much less body support).

So what I found worked for me at least was to start with the BH sideswipe movement (basically similar to serving BH pendulum) and start adding the upper body rotation in first. Then, add thumb driven supination to that sideswipe movement - this will generate the topspin in the sideswipe. Final step is just about gradually adding power to it.

Has anyone encountered any videos or tutorials about this chiquita variant?

I think you can watch lin Yun ju backhand flick pendulum serves from right handers. Lyj does this flick on the wide forehand side of the table. You will notice that he will position his body such that his entire left side of his body is outside of the table so he can find the angle to make use of the incoming sidespin from the pendulum serve

Time stamp: 03:41

He does it 2 times against Adam and you can observe his bat's swing path

 

[blahness]

I think you can watch lin Yun ju backhand flick pendulum serves from right handers. Lyj does this flick on the wide forehand side of the table. You will notice that he will position his body such that his entire left side of his body is outside of the table so he can find the angle to make use of the incoming sidespin from the pendulum serve

Time stamp: 03:41

He does it 2 times against Adam and you can observe his bat's swing path

Yes, this is exactly the stroke I was talking about and LYJ uses this a lot (fade chiquita).

But I'm not so ambitious to use it on short FH serves, I'm only aiming to use this against BH pendulum serves to my middle or BH to the opponent's wide FH as a variation to the normal chiquita.

 

[ck1407]

Yes, this is exactly the stroke I was talking about and LYJ uses this a lot (fade chiquita).

But I'm not so ambitious to use it on short FH serves, I'm only aiming to use this against BH pendulum serves to my middle or BH to the opponent's wide FH as a variation to the normal chiquita.

Well still can practice it on the forehand side since it's very useful for doubles

 

[blahness]

Well still can practice it on the forehand side since it's very useful for doubles

Yep definitely that is probably the best place to use it because you can do a very strong shot, get out of the way and let your partner attack the next shot while you find your way back (if the point is somehow not over after 2 strong attacks lol).

 

[ck1407]

Yep definitely that is probably the best place to use it because you can do a very strong shot, get out of the way and let your partner attack the next shot while you find your way back (if the point is somehow not over after 2 strong attacks lol).

By default, you should flick towards the forehand corner since the table is longer(bigger margin for error) and should there be a rally, both you and your partner are in position already (not as footwork intensive).only start flicking to backhand corner when you notice your opponent moving in advance. Then you can mix in body/elbow shots.

This is definitely a very satisfying shot to pull off during games xD