Modern "classic" rubbers

[Sherpa]

Rakza 7 soft

 

[NoSpin]

Guys.. Rakza 7 is fast and bouncy af compared to "classic" rubbers.

 

[\_Kairos_/]

Guys.. Rakza 7 is fast and bouncy af compared to "classic" rubbers.

True. I'm surprised of some of the recommended rubbers, since they don't really fit the description that the OP is looking for:

I am looking for a modern "classic rubber for forehand and backhand, meaning something like Yasaka Mark V, Tibhar Varispin etc ... but updated, with more spin capacities and no tensor effect (or very very little), I don't need something very faster than mark V, but more spin will be very appreciate.

Given that description, some of the rubbers mentioned here can be disregarded because they are either (way) too fast and bouncy (Rakza 7 / 7 Soft, Victas V-11 extra, Bryce Highspeed), too hard/heavy (Goldarc 9), topsheet too much under tension etc.). That leaves about a handful (or maybe two) of rubbers, such as:
-Xiom Musa
-Joola Zack
-Victas Ventus Regular
-Andro Good
-Tibhar Volcano
-Pimplepark Epos (bit soft maybe!) and perhaps rubbers like

-Andro GTT 40/45, Joola Micron

OP might also want to give the inverted rubbers of Spinlord a closer look...

 

[passifid]

Remember those classic rubbers were the peak of professional rubber development at the time. So my personal opinion is more like so

Modern classic rubbers are:
T05
H3 Neo

 

[Lazer]

Hello,

I am looking for a modern "classic rubber for forehand and backhand, meaning something like Yasaka Mark V, Tibhar Varispin etc ... but updated, with more spin capacities and no tensor effect (or very very little), I don't need something very faster than mark V, but more spin will be very appreciate.

My goal is to have another blades that is All+ OFF- speed, very easy and forgiving. Usually I have blade like Septear, ZX GI etc ... with G1, V15 extra etc ... but I have to be honest with myself it is to fast for me. Since I tried Tibhar IV L with two Mark V soft, Donic waldner senso v2 with two varispin dtecs, Primorac, Samsonov alpha ect ... it is a revelation, all thing become so easy, it is very forgiving, I have the feeling to be a better player, lot of more balls stay on the table, and ok these blades and rubbers aren't the best on paper, but it give me so much confidence that i make my best shot and consistency with it.

So have you any suggestion for rubber that can match my search ?

Thank you

Mark V HPS fits the description. It is a Mark V topsheet but with an upgraded sponge. Expensive for what it is though but quite OK.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[\_Kairos_/]

Mark V HPS fits the description. It is a Mark V topsheet but with an upgraded sponge. Expensive for what it is though but quite OK.

Cheers
L-zr

Funny that you mention the HPS. I bought a sheet some years ago. It was vacuum sealed and when I opened the package the rubber immediatly curled up like crazy and even days after I had trouble putting glue onto the sponge and glueing it to the blade. And, oh boy, that smell! The sponge was obviously treated with something gasoline-like, giving me literally a headache.
It does say on the package that it has an upgraded sponge compared to the original Mark V, but I'm not 100% convinced of that (could be just marketing by Yasaka). To me it looked like the original sponge, but it was really soft, really light(weight), really fast and smelled like an exploded gas station.

But you're right that it is pretty expensive for what you get.

 

[Lazer]

Funny that you mention the HPS. I bought a sheet some years ago. It was vacuum sealed and when I opened the package the rubber immediatly curled up like crazy and even days after I had trouble putting glue onto the sponge and glueing it to the blade. And, oh boy, that smell! The sponge was obviously treated with something gasoline-like, giving me literally a headache.
It does say on the package that it has an upgraded sponge compared to the original Mark V, but I'm not 100% convinced of that (could be just marketing by Yasaka). To me it looked like the original sponge, but it was really soft, really light(weight), really fast and smelled like an exploded gas station.

But you're right that it is pretty expensive for what you get.

Not my experience, It is slightly faster and spinnier but it doesn’t last as long. Just checked the two sheets I have, about a year old still in the package but looks as flat as my living room floor. I don’t remember any particular smell either…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[\_Kairos_/]

Not my experience, It is slightly faster and spinnier but it doesn’t last as long. Just checked the two sheets I gave, about a year old still in the package but looks as flat as my living room floor. I don’t remember any particular smell either…

Cheers
L-zr

That's pretty much what it should be, yes. Not sure what kind of a sheet I got back then. It was really odd. I have encountred slightly curled up sheets before (and after) right out of the package. But that (next to the smell) was really extreme. That "experience" stuck with me. For what it's worth: I bought the sheet in 2020 or 2021, I think. Perhaps Yasaka made some changes on the HPS in the meantime.
Wouldn't be the first time a brand switched up the formula of a rubber (sponge and/or topsheet). Todays sponge of the Donic Desto series is also not the one from way back, for example.

 

[mocker88]

Rubbers that will fit nice in this description are:

729 - Dragon L
Pimplepark - Attaxx Speed
Sanwei - Target 90 (Semi tacky)
Yinhe- Big Dipper (Semi tacky)
729 - Presto Max Spin
729 - Presto Max Speed
Sanwei - Gear Hyper

Check them out and I think you'll find something you like

 

[Haraold]

Factive from Nittaku

 

[Der_Echte]

I believe in hiz heart, the OP is looking for a modern rubber that is not overly fast. not bouncy, has gears, and can do many things well, but not 100.

That description is exactly Tibhar Aurus.

 

[Tyce]

Aurus is a nice suggestion, completely forgot about that one! Club mate plays Aurus Soft and it felt very familiar.

...then again, I also have people at the club using Sriver FX and playing a spinny, attacking game with it.

 

[Romson]

Hello everybody and thank you a lot for your suggestions. About tensor, even if moderate, I think it doesn't match, Rakza 7 are way to fast for my needs, and even factive is a bit to bouncy for me. I don't say it is a fast rubber, of course it is way slower in comparison of a V15 extra for exemple, but as I search something very forgiving and controlable, I think that only classic rubbers can match.

True. I'm surprised of some of the recommended rubbers, since they don't really fit the description that the OP is looking for:

Given that description, some of the rubbers mentioned here can be disregarded because they are either (way) too fast and bouncy (Rakza 7 / 7 Soft, Victas V-11 extra, Bryce Highspeed), too hard/heavy (Goldarc 9), topsheet too much under tension etc.). That leaves about a handful (or maybe two) of rubbers, such as:
-Xiom Musa
-Joola Zack
-Victas Ventus Regular
-Andro Good
-Tibhar Volcano
-Pimplepark Epos (bit soft maybe!) and perhaps rubbers like

-Andro GTT 40/45, Joola Micron

OP might also want to give the inverted rubbers of Spinlord a closer look...

Thank you, I think you are very correct about what I am looking for. I have read many review these three days, on the forehand I think taht the Andro good could be a nice choice, but I can't find its weight, I guess it is not to heavy but I would like to be sure. Musa seems also pretty indicated, it is often named when people ask for a Mark V alternative.

On the backhand, I can test something like the Ventus regular alpha or like the VJ 07 regular (the last one I read that it has very good control, forgiving, and is insensive to incoming spin, that seems pretty interesting).

 

[Lazer]

I believe in hiz heart, the OP is looking for a modern rubber that is not overly fast. not bouncy, has gears, and can do many things well, but not 100.

That description is exactly Tibhar Aurus.

Tibhar Aurus on this weeks special at TT11...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Romson]

I believe in hiz heart, the OP is looking for a modern rubber that is not overly fast. not bouncy, has gears, and can do many things well, but not 100.

That description is exactly Tibhar Aurus.

Thank you I will check about it. To be more précise, my favorite rubber would be the one that is exactly like the Mark V, meaning same speed, same versatility, easy to play etc ... but with more spin.

ABout the AUrus, I just read that it is a "do it all" rubber, but isn't it a bit tensored ? Because as I said, even the factive is a bit bouncy to me, of course I can play well with it, it is not a rocket launcher, but I play much much better with non tensored rubber.

 

[Lazer]

Thank you I will check about it. To be more précise, my favorite rubber would be the one that is exactly like the Mark V, meaning same speed, same versatility, easy to play etc ... but with more spin.

ABout the AUrus, I just read that it is a "do it all" rubber, but isn't it a bit tensored ? Because as I said, even the factive is a bit bouncy to me, of course I can play well with it, it is not a rocket launcher, but I play much much better with non tensored rubber.

Mark V already has one of the best top sheets in the market, the reason why its still selling so much in Japan

If You want more spin, You have two ways.
1. Through brushing and this requires a tacky rubber, which increases spin.
2. Through activating the sponge "sling shot" which increases both speed and spin.

The second method requires a rubber with a lot of bounce...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[merlin el mago]

If you are looking for a modern forgiving rubber try BTY Rozena.

 

[jonyer80]

Goldarc V, Regular Tinarc are also pretty linear options that are a notch faster that classicals

 

[Sims]

Modern Classic is really an Oxymoron.
In motorcycle terms it's modern versions of bikes that were made in the 60s, so they're modern replicas, cool 60s looks without the old tech and associated reliability issues 😎
Apply this to table tennis I can only think of Mark V rubbers on new sponge, like Mark V HPS which is Mark V rubbers on Tensor Sponge.
Have butterfly done something similar with Sriver?
Maybe Rakza 7 is similar to Mark V too and could also (maybe) considered the modern version of Mark V.
I think DHS Neo 3 is also a true Classic and what's more classic than boosting your rubbers eh 😊

 

[Romson]

Modern Classic is really annoying Oxymoron.
In motorcycle terms it's modern versions of bikes that were made in the 60s, so they're modern replicas, cool 60s looks without the old tech and associated reliability issues 😎
Apply this to table tennis I can only think of Mark V rubbers on new sponge, like Mark V HPS which is Mark V rubbers on Tensor Sponge.
Have butterfly done something similar with Sriver?
Maybe Rakza 7 is similar to Mark V too and could also (maybe) considered the modern version of Mark V.
I think DHS Neo 3 is also a true Classic and what's more classic than boosting your rubbers eh 😊

By modern classic, I just want to mean rubber like "classic" (for exemple Mark V), but more recent. FOr exemple the Andro good, Xiom Musa or the Victas ventus regular alpha are some exemple. Rubbers not tensor, not chinese etc ... just Mark V, Vari spin etc ... with same "feel", speed but more modern in sense of more spin with the Pball.

After reading many things, I think to go with the VJ07 regular on bh (I know there is a bit of tensor here, but very minimal) and Andro Good (or maybe Xiom musa) one the forehand.