My pendulum and reverse pendulum serve variations akin to Zhang jike!

[Siva Schopenhauer]

Heyyyyy..... You've got a new net....

So here we go:
The motion of your backhand flip doesn't look bad at all, but you got some work on your fh to do. May i ask what kind of blade and rubbers you use? I hope you can take constructive criticism.

My first impression was that it looked as if you were holding yourself back, so it could be that your racket is a bit too fast.
But the motion of your fh also goes to the side quite early, some shots were ok, but when the ball came close to the body you've been rockin' the world famous t-rex topspin.

Just step a tiny step more to the bh side, so you can do the same motion of your fh loop like you did when the ball was bouncin' an armlength away.
Footwork is also important. It gives you the ability to have the right distance to the ball to be able to get good spin on the ball, so rather move the feet instead of those close-to-the-body shots.

I've posted a vid where a good friend and me we're actually doing a 'Falkenberg' drill.
But we captured one real nice topspin. His motion is quite nice. Take a look.

Hope this wasn't too hard and you can find this helpful.

Hi suga, nice feedback. I was expecting many thing to come up with FH especially and it indeed was true

BH in my opinion is kinda ok. But, a ton to improve. Me and my friend made a training video, where there is high likely hood of getting to know a pathetic BH.

I don't have any knowledge about rubbers and blades. I just went to a special shop for TT and tried some rackets and got one for 70 bucks

Blade: Stiga all round classic
Rubbers: stiga mendo(red), Gewo nano (black). I use black for the FH and the rubber still has some life in it. The red one is dead. Been using the same for over a year.

My partner gifted me a 729 super rubber. i am unsure whether it would suit my style, What's your take on it?

Actually, we shot the multiballs at the after a 3 hour session. So, I was completely ennervated. Regardless of it, my movements are pretty much inconsistent whenever I have been playing. I have decent ability in footwork but I seldom exercise it I ll try my best next time to do it better. But, the actual problem is if I don't get in camera, I delude myself thinking that I am moving like XU Xin, Sorry Cloudwalking . But, after looking at this video, I want to choke myself to death

But, the main point is the follow through of the drive is to side, How to get it corrected? Do you have any hacks for it. i learned the basic drive seeing Ma long tutorial and caught of the hand motion of Ma long. It really helped to exert power.
Howerver, as achalwins pointed out, am unable to get the power from hip twist. How can one go about it?

First of all, is that guy's name Daid or David Falkenberg? That looks like a poem to me. so fluid and flawless

 

[Siva Schopenhauer]

Hey Siva. Your backhand seems okay but your fh drives are the ones you need to work on. You have great height, hence nice arm length. But whenever you play fh shots, you gotta include your waist power too. What you are doing is you are mostly using your arms, and from the video, it seems your equipment is the one for the shots, instead it should be your technique and your body power. Only then the shots will have the ping effect. If you would like to see the stance and body posture, there's ma long tutorial, which will give you the basic positions, and for further advanced loop strokes, you can see zhang jike instructions, which are probanbly available on butterfly's official site. Since you have a great camera, you can record even more while you are practising by using above mentioned videos and then you can definitely level up your game skills.
Tell me if this videos helped!

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hi achalwins, thanks for the feedback.

What you are doing is you are mostly using your arms, and from the video, it seems your equipment is the one for the shots, instead it should be your technique and your body power.

I didn't understand your comment on the equipment.

I checked the Butterfly website. They have this page with some images of ZJK's forehand drive. Was this the right page that you were mentioning? Is there somemore which I am missing?

The link to the page:
http://en.butterflymag.com/2014/03/special-zhang-jike-the-key-to-his-success/

ZJK speaks about a interesting idea of keeping the other elbow close to the body to save energy and impart maximum power. Never heard of it, interesting. I ll try and share my experience.

Before the last shot video, I used wrong quality configuration and just got it corrected before shootingt the multiball. As you like the present quality, I will try to maintaint the same quality while shooting further videos


I think that I adopted the hand twisting from Ma long's basic tutorial. Correct me if this understanding of mine is wrong. But, as you rightly pointed, it seems I am not able to use the waist and stomach to exert the force.

Once, again what do you mean my ping effect? I am unaware of its technical meaning. do you mean the sound of the ball leaving the racket while executing a drive?

I learned a lot of from Ma long's basic drive, but in practice it seems not so explicit. I think I will try to keep up working to level up the FH drive as you said. I will share my development asap.

Thanks!

 

[NextLevel]

How long have you been playing for, Siva?

 

[Siva Schopenhauer]

How long have you been playing for, Siva?

Hi next level, I played in the clubs for a period of 6 months altogether. My experience is usually mental by observing the key ideas and try to execute it in practice But, separately, I practice a lot alone in the garages with the serves and sometimes having fun with friends by teaching them.

Other than that, I played during my undergrad in the hostel table intensively for almost an year. The funny fact is I holded the racket wrong during this period and no exposure at all. After having access to internet and information, I have to start again. from scratch, lol at myself. Neverthless, it was a great experience altogether.

 

[achalwins94]

hi achalwins, thanks for the feedback.



I didn't understand your comment on the equipment.

I checked the Butterfly website. They have this page with some images of ZJK's forehand drive. Was this the right page that you were mentioning? Is there somemore which I am missing?

The link to the page:
http://en.butterflymag.com/2014/03/special-zhang-jike-the-key-to-his-success/

ZJK speaks about a interesting idea of keeping the other elbow close to the body to save energy and impart maximum power. Never heard of it, interesting. I ll try and share my experience.

Before the last shot video, I used wrong quality configuration and just got it corrected before shootingt the multiball. As you like the present quality, I will try to maintaint the same quality while shooting further videos


I think that I adopted the hand twisting from Ma long's basic tutorial. Correct me if this understanding of mine is wrong. But, as you rightly pointed, it seems I am not able to use the waist and stomach to exert the force.

Once, again what do you mean my ping effect? I am unaware of its technical meaning. do you mean the sound of the ball leaving the racket while executing a drive?

I learned a lot of from Ma long's basic drive, but in practice it seems not so explicit. I think I will try to keep up working to level up the FH drive as you said. I will share my development asap.

Thanks!

See, what I was saying about your equipment is that it is having greater power than what you actually require, hence your stroke lengths are decreasing or maybe your strokes are not perfect. (No offence).
Now about ZJK page, yes, you reached the destination.
From that page, I understood bh skills. If you can implement that, would be wonderful. Now, keeping elbow near the body thing, let me explain you by funny situation. Keep your hand as it is said. Now think that a naughty child is infront of you and you gotta give him slap by back of palm. Do this motion, and then the one you do, away from body. Now you feel it and observe where you felt comfortable. The reason is that many bh flicks that zjk performs, is similar to this, especially he has done so many times against Timo Boll.
Now coming to Ma Long video. You can see his serve techniques, but to have effective and deceptive vicious technique is very hard for us, to be practical, so stick with your own technique.
From there you must check out his fh drives, simple motion he has shown, but if you get that consistent, and most importantly get the feeling, Bingo!
Now the ping effect. Its a slang kind of thing which I use, meaning the best shot at a time, when the ball goes like spring, when the ball has been hit best. When your shot is perfect, the ball goes as you have dreamt of, that's ping effect/shot. Rather than some motion you do, where ball goes, but not much is there, which I felt in your fh shots. Don't feel offended buddy, I am just saying. Well you can always improve! You are from Germany! You can be great as my fav player are ZJK & TIMO BOLL.
Hope you like the funny example, as that's what I used to teach this shot to my junior and he laughed hard,but his technique improved !

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[Siva Schopenhauer]

See, what I was saying about your equipment is that it is having greater power than what you actually require, hence your stroke lengths are decreasing or maybe your strokes are not perfect. (No offence).
Now about ZJK page, yes, you reached the destination.
From that page, I understood bh skills. If you can implement that, would be wonderful. Now, keeping elbow near the body thing, let me explain you by funny situation. Keep your hand as it is said. Now think that a naughty child is infront of you and you gotta give him slap by back of palm. Do this motion, and then the one you do, away from body. Now you feel it and observe where you felt comfortable. The reason is that many bh flicks that zjk performs, is similar to this, especially he has done so many times against Timo Boll.
Now coming to Ma Long video. You can see his serve techniques, but to have effective and deceptive vicious technique is very hard for us, to be practical, so stick with your own technique.
From there you must check out his fh drives, simple motion he has shown, but if you get that consistent, and most importantly get the feeling, Bingo!
Now the ping effect. Its a slang kind of thing which I use, meaning the best shot at a time, when the ball goes like spring, when the ball has been hit best. When your shot is perfect, the ball goes as you have dreamt of, that's ping effect/shot. Rather than some motion you do, where ball goes, but not much is there, which I felt in your fh shots. Don't feel offended buddy, I am just saying. Well you can always improve! You are from Germany! You can be great as my fav player are ZJK & TIMO BOLL.
Hope you like the funny example, as that's what I used to teach this shot to my junior and he laughed hard,but his technique improved !

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LMAO, that example makes my day. Wow, I will keep imagining the kid when executing BH chiquita's. I wonder if someone had said it earlier, it would have changed the play completely.

Through my own experience with other ball sports, I feel that the single most important thing to acquire is perception. Before perception and after perception, you become two diferent persons. One can't go back and repeat the same mistakes again, simply because the perception alters the mental state to a greater level, there is no way going back!

That example could be a stepping stone to acquire a new perception about our own play. keep slapping again and again, it could change everything about our own BH knowledge.

I will bring the olympic, world champion Kohei Uchimura, a gymnast into the discussion. He keeps on visualising the gymnastic sequences for hours before getting it right in the head. Then he goes and executes it, and nobody in this world has seen such a thing or even imagined such sequences could be possible. Such is the power of imagination!

I think my stroke is so bad, period. Nothing offensive. It is a plain fact that you just pointed out.

Regarding Ma long's serve, I believe I spent already more thant 500-600 hours, I don't know how long going it is going to take further to improve the entire serving system to the next level. I am completely unsatisfied with the results.
Again, wrong perception

I too share a similar opinion about the drive quality but my rubbers are dead, first I should change it to estimate the "ping effect". Because, a bad rubber is a terribly bad rubber

It changes the game completely, so fixing the rubber asap is the primal issue.

Thnks for such a fast reply!

 

[achalwins94]

LMAO, that example makes my day. Wow, I will keep imagining the kid when executing BH chiquita's. I wonder if someone had said it earlier, it would have changed the play completely.

Through my own experience with other ball sports, I feel that the single most important thing to acquire is perception. Before perception and after perception, you become two diferent persons. One can't go back and repeat the same mistakes again, simply because the perception alters the mental state to a greater level, there is no way going back!

That example could be a stepping stone to acquire a new perception about our own play. keep slapping again and again, it could change everything about our own BH knowledge.

I will bring the olympic, world champion Kohei Uchimura, a gymnast into the discussion. He keeps on visualising the gymnastic sequences for hours before getting it right in the head. Then he goes and executes it, and nobody in this world has seen such a thing or even imagined such sequences could be possible. Such is the power of imagination!

I think my stroke is so bad, period. Nothing offensive. It is a plain fact that you just pointed out.

Regarding Ma long's serve, I believe I spent already more thant 500-600 hours, I don't know how long going it is going to take further to improve the entire serving system to the next level. I am completely unsatisfied with the results.
Again, wrong perception

I too share a similar opinion about the drive quality but my rubbers are dead, first I should change it to estimate the "ping effect". Because, a bad rubber is a terribly bad rubber

It changes the game completely, so fixing the rubber asap is the primal issue.

Thnks for such a fast reply!

Don't get demoralised, that was not my aim. The game is simple, feel the ball. And those vids and stuff I told you to check, only the basics. See the mistake you did was to try Ma Long's serve. It's not bad, but its not profitable for your game skills and other shots. Just think that even if you get the serve done, what if the opponent lifts the ball, such that you are not in favourable situation? That is why, work more on fh and bh drives and other drills. Then vary the angle,contact style and different styles, first counter, then flat hit and brush mix technique, then pure brushing, depending on what you like, and then think about the science of ball movement, your contact depth, power, timing, the ball height, length etc. Feel the ball.
Anyway, what's your current set up?
By the way I really liked your serve technique, which I have mentioned in my previous post.

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[Siva Schopenhauer]

Don't get demoralised, that was not my aim. The game is simple, feel the ball. And those vids and stuff I told you to check, only the basics. See the mistake you did was to try Ma Long's serve. It's not bad, but its not profitable for your game skills and other shots. Just think that even if you get the serve done, what if the opponent lifts the ball, such that you are not in favourable situation? That is why, work more on fh and bh drives and other drills. Then vary the angle,contact style and different styles, first counter, then flat hit and brush mix technique, then pure brushing, depending on what you like, and then think about the science of ball movement, your contact depth, power, timing, the ball height, length etc. Feel the ball.
Anyway, what's your current set up?
By the way I really liked your serve technique, which I have mentioned in my previous post.

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Yep, There is a lot to do other than serving it seems, Since most of the opponents don't understand how I serve, the point usually ends in third ball attack I practiced hard perfecting also Ma lin's backpin, topspin serve with the same motion. I use it only at critical stages of the game, rarly if necessary.

The point of spending too much on serves was because, I am mostly alone and is difficult sometimes to find players of your level. Maybe they are too low or too high. In the club, I vistied, most of them were around 50 to 60 in age, they whooped me like anything

Partly becasue, most of them were consistent and had good game plan unlike me. As you said, there is a lot of things which I find hard. I will rate them in ascending order with the degree of dificulty to me

First counter
power
contact style
flat hit
timing
ball movement
pure brushing
ball height and length
angle
placement
brush mix technique(this is professional level, I never was able to such things)

I usually try to attack with chiquita and finish the point as early possible with continuous aggressive drives from both the sides. I usually loose point due to unforced error, superior counter drive techniques of the opponent i am fast in my legs, though being overweight

My biggest obstacles is usally when opponent places the return of the serve deep and also I have big problem with returning other' service

 

[achalwins94]

Yep, There is a lot to do other than serving it seems, Since most of the opponents don't understand how I serve, the point usually ends in third ball attack I practiced hard perfecting also Ma lin's backpin, topspin serve with the same motion. I use it only at critical stages of the game, rarly if necessary.

The point of spending too much on serves was because, I am mostly alone and is difficult sometimes to find players of your level. Maybe they are too low or too high. In the club, I vistied, most of them were around 50 to 60 in age, they whooped me like anything

Partly becasue, most of them were consistent and had good game plan unlike me. As you said, there is a lot of things which I find hard. I will rate them in ascending order with the degree of dificulty to me

First counter
power
contact style
flat hit
timing
ball movement
pure brushing
ball height and length
angle
placement
brush mix technique(this is professional level, I never was able to such things)

I usually try to attack with chiquita and finish the point as early possible with continuous aggressive drives from both the sides. I usually loose point due to unforced error, superior counter drive techniques of the opponent i am fast in my legs, though being overweight

My biggest obstacles is usally when opponent places the return of the serve deep and also I have big problem with returning other' service

Yes! I predicted correctly. Hence you require practice. If things are done correctly, 1-2 months are enough to level up. But,,you didn't answer, what's your set up? So that people on this forum could help.

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[Siva Schopenhauer]

Yes! I predicted correctly. Hence you require practice. If things are done correctly, 1-2 months are enough to level up. But,,you didn't answer, what's your set up? So that people on this forum could help.

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Did you mean the equipment. I answered it in Suga's previous post I ll quote it here
"I don't have any knowledge about rubbers and blades. I just went to a special shop for TT and tried some rackets and got one for 70 bucks

Blade: Stiga all round classic
Rubbers: stiga mendo(red), Gewo nano (black). I use black for the FH and the rubber still has some life in it. The red one is dead. Been using the same for over a year."

 

[achalwins94]

Yep, There is a lot to do other than serving it seems, Since most of the opponents don't understand how I serve, the point usually ends in third ball attack I practiced hard perfecting also Ma lin's backpin, topspin serve with the same motion. I use it only at critical stages of the game, rarly if necessary.

The point of spending too much on serves was because, I am mostly alone and is difficult sometimes to find players of your level. Maybe they are too low or too high. In the club, I vistied, most of them were around 50 to 60 in age, they whooped me like anything

Partly becasue, most of them were consistent and had good game plan unlike me. As you said, there is a lot of things which I find hard. I will rate them in ascending order with the degree of dificulty to me

First counter
power
contact style
flat hit
timing
ball movement
pure brushing
ball height and length
angle
placement
brush mix technique(this is professional level, I never was able to such things)

I usually try to attack with chiquita and finish the point as early possible with continuous aggressive drives from both the sides. I usually loose point due to unforced error, superior counter drive techniques of the opponent i am fast in my legs, though being overweight

My biggest obstacles is usally when opponent places the return of the serve deep and also I have big problem with returning other' service

I missed the text where you mentioned your equipment, yes, the blade is perfect. I think you should use some feeling. Why don't you try markV for fh, and tibhar rapid soft for bh? That was my rubber when I wanted to learn basics

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[Siva Schopenhauer]

I missed the text where you mentioned your equipment, yes, the blade is perfect. I think you should use some feeling. Why don't you try markV for fh, and tibhar rapid soft for bh? That was my rubber when I wanted to learn basics

Oh ok. But, how could one decide? When I was in that TT shop, I felt the blade was good. but again, I understand very less about rubbers.
I would like to improve my lift especially the ones with backspin.
After gaining some experience, I can handle fast rubbers now. Better the speed, I gain control with practice like in a week.
I don't know what else I should look in a rubber. Please educate me!
Will the markv and tibhar rapid be compatible to such needs

BTW, which club are you playing for?

 

[Suga D]

Hi suga, nice feedback. I was expecting many thing to come up with FH especially and it indeed was true

BH in my opinion is kinda ok. But, a ton to improve. Me and my friend made a training video, where there is high likely hood of getting to know a pathetic BH.

I don't have any knowledge about rubbers and blades. I just went to a special shop for TT and tried some rackets and got one for 70 bucks

Blade: Stiga all round classic
Rubbers: stiga mendo(red), Gewo nano (black). I use black for the FH and the rubber still has some life in it. The red one is dead. Been using the same for over a year.

My partner gifted me a 729 super rubber. i am unsure whether it would suit my style, What's your take on it?

Actually, we shot the multiballs at the after a 3 hour session. So, I was completely ennervated. Regardless of it, my movements are pretty much inconsistent whenever I have been playing. I have decent ability in footwork but I seldom exercise it I ll try my best next time to do it better. But, the actual problem is if I don't get in camera, I delude myself thinking that I am moving like XU Xin, Sorry Cloudwalking . But, after looking at this video, I want to choke myself to death

But, the main point is the follow through of the drive is to side, How to get it corrected? Do you have any hacks for it. i learned the basic drive seeing Ma long tutorial and caught of the hand motion of Ma long. It really helped to exert power.
Howerver, as achalwins pointed out, am unable to get the power from hip twist. How can one go about it?

First of all, is that guy's name Daid or David Falkenberg? That looks like a poem to me. so fluid and flawless

No need to choke yourself. First steps are always the hardest. Now you got something to really work on...

My friend's name is David, and he's doing a 'Falkenberg' Drill. That is why i named the vid like that.

Firstly i think you have a great blade to learn. Good choice. If the red rubber is dead you should replace it asap if you want to learn the basics. I'm not sure which 729 you have, but if it's tacky, then you actually need a slightly different motion than if you would use german or japanese rubbers.
So depending on your rubber you should build your stroke.
Here's why: with a tacky rubber you mostly engage the topsheet's tackiness to create spin, while using a non-tacky tensioned rubber you would engage more of the sponge to create spin.
But of course you can use what your friend gave you, since you seem to be picking up things quite fast. But you just should be aware that changing to euro/japanese rubbers after you got used to the tacky rubbers will take a lot of effort and won't be very easy.

Next i would try to get some lessons by a real coach.

Don't get me wrong. There's a whole lot you can learn from watching Internet vids, but a real life coach can not only show you the flaws much easier, he/she can also help you easier to correct wrong motions in the beginning so they won't become a bad habit. At least for the time when you're trying to learn correct techniques.

If you can't get coaching then i would recommend Brett Clarke's vids or you can even book an online coaching there. I think i've recommended him in your other thread already.

Here's a link to his channel:
Table Tennis Tutorials and Coaching Lessons - Like a Boss!: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNY781aBo5KpjN_JTUDMEEQMXg90EmCjK

There's another YouTube channel that could also be interesting for you.
Jannik can explain things also pretty good.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCK6SvWDwrS7GjtBXLGBTB6A

Maybe this can help a little.

 

[achalwins94]

I missed the text where you mentioned your equipment, yes, the blade is perfect. I think you should use some feeling. Why don't you try markV for fh, and tibhar rapid soft for bh? That was my rubber when I wanted to learn basics

Oh ok. But, how could one decide? When I was in that TT shop, I felt the blade was good. but again, I understand very less about rubbers.
I would like to improve my lift especially the ones with backspin.
After gaining some experience, I can handle fast rubbers now. Better the speed, I gain control with practice like in a week.
I don't know what else I should look in a rubber. Please educate me!
Will the markv and tibhar rapid be compatible to such needs

BTW, which club are you playing for?

I don't play for any club, play in my college team, and my game level improved since then as we had some national level players.
See, it's not about handling, its about using it to the fullest, then only you can improve. If you are into changing the rubbers, then you may proceed as I said. The rapid soft rubber is heaven for blocks and counters as it is slow and low throw. My advice, don't go for tensors. And as mark V is classic. You can be never wrong with it. So use it for fh. Since both of them are soft sponge, they will prove perfect to you.

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[Siva Schopenhauer]

I don't play for any club, play in my college team, and my game level improved since then as we had some national level players.
See, it's not about handling, its about using it to the fullest, then only you can improve. If you are into changing the rubbers, then you may proceed as I said. The rapid soft rubber is heaven for blocks and counters as it is slow and low throw. My advice, don't go for tensors. And as mark V is classic. You can be never wrong with it. So use it for fh. Since both of them are soft sponge, they will prove perfect to you.

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cool, thank for the suggestion and putting in some time to educate me. 'I will go ahead with markand tibhar. will update you asap

 

[NextLevel]

Hi next level, I played in the clubs for a period of 6 months altogether. My experience is usually mental by observing the key ideas and try to execute it in practice But, separately, I practice a lot alone in the garages with the serves and sometimes having fun with friends by teaching them.

Other than that, I played during my undergrad in the hostel table intensively for almost an year. The funny fact is I holded the racket wrong during this period and no exposure at all. After having access to internet and information, I have to start again. from scratch, lol at myself. Neverthless, it was a great experience altogether.

You are doing very well for how long you have played. While there are technical fixes you can make (avoid finishing the stroke across your body too early on your forehand is one), these are all things that come with time. Do you get coaching?

 

[Siva Schopenhauer]

No need to choke yourself. First steps are always the hardest. Now you got something to really work on...

My friend's name is David, and he's doing a 'Falkenberg' Drill. That is why i named the vid like that.

Firstly i think you have a great blade to learn. Good choice. If the red rubber is dead you should replace it asap if you want to learn the basics. I'm not sure which 729 you have, but if it's tacky, then you actually need a slightly different motion than if you would use german or japanese rubbers.
So depending on your rubber you should build your stroke.
Here's why: with a tacky rubber you mostly engage the topsheet's tackiness to create spin, while using a non-tacky tensioned rubber you would engage more of the sponge to create spin.
But of course you can use what your friend gave you, since you seem to be picking up things quite fast. But you just should be aware that changing to euro/japanese rubbers after you got used to the tacky rubbers will take a lot of effort and won't be very easy.

Next i would try to get some lessons by a real coach.

Don't get me wrong. There's a whole lot you can learn from watching Internet vids, but a real life coach can not only show you the flaws much easier, he/she can also help you easier to correct wrong motions in the beginning so they won't become a bad habit. At least for the time when you're trying to learn correct techniques.

If you can't get coaching then i would recommend Brett Clarke's vids or you can even book an online coaching there. I think i've recommended him in your other thread already.

Here's a link to his channel:
Table Tennis Tutorials and Coaching Lessons - Like a Boss!: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNY781aBo5KpjN_JTUDMEEQMXg90EmCjK

There's another YouTube channel that could also be interesting for you.
Jannik can explain things also pretty good.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCK6SvWDwrS7GjtBXLGBTB6A

Maybe this can help a little.

Hi suga, actually the helden guy inspired me to produce videos, I learned a lot from him too. I didn't know much about brett clark except for snake serve. I think the playlist has so much valuable info. I would like to devour all the info at the earliest.

i would like to get some real coaching. I gave up my memebership in the club because, we had coach only once a week and this I felt was so unproductive to my development. My fellow mates in the club were fairly consistent and happy with their level. They were little bit old and tried to maitain their performance level and not on rapid improvemnent. This seemed contradictory to my goals, How can I go about coaching? would private coaching help, how costly it is? what was your experience?

Regarding rubbers, i am just starting with some basic vids from youtube. Didn't know that tacky and soft rubbers existed till you explained the difference. What about my existing rubber,, stiga mendo and gewo nano. Are they soft rubber?

The friend gifted me 729 super. She bought it in china so everything on the cover was in chinese, so couldnt no much about the rubber

 

[Suga D]

My advice, don't go for tensors. And as mark V is classic. You can be never wrong with it. So use it for fh. Since both of them are soft sponge, they will prove perfect to you.

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I'm not sure if this is accurate, and i feel a bit torn over this.

Many coaches i know would recommend rather slow rubbers like the ones you've been recommending, but i just had a discussion with a friend of mine who owns the 'A-coach' license. That is the highest level license you can get in germany and gives you the license to coach players on national level.
Well he told me that going for classical rubbers in the beginning is completely bollocks. He recommended to start with more modern type rubbers asap to make them feel natural for you asap. Plus he mentioned that rubbers like the markV are a bit outdated and were actually designed for the ooooold 38mm ball.
Most old coaches recommend slowish classic rubbers but changing to modern rubbers when being used to classic rubbers would be a big step and would sort of feel like your blade's got an adrenaline rush.
In the end i guess it is just two different philosophies behind it and probably both will work, but a modern philosophy in a modern type of game seems to make more sense in my book.

Just my 2¢

 

[Suga D]

Hi suga, actually the helden guy inspired me to produce videos, I learned a lot from him too. I didn't know much about brett clark except for snake serve. I think the playlist has so much valuable info. I would like to devour all the info at the earliest.

i would like to get some real coaching. I gave up my memebership in the club because, we had coach only once a week and this I felt was so unproductive to my development. My fellow mates in the club were fairly consistent and happy with their level. They were little bit old and tried to maitain their performance level and not on rapid improvemnent. This seemed contradictory to my goals, How can I go about coaching? would private coaching help, how costly it is? what was your experience?

Regarding rubbers, i am just starting with some basic vids from youtube. Didn't know that tacky and soft rubbers existed till you explained the difference. What about my existing rubber,, stiga mendo and gewo nano. Are they soft rubber?

The friend gifted me 729 super. She bought it in china so everything on the cover was in chinese, so couldnt no much about the rubber

Maybe you should look for a club with younger players.

Coaching is the most valuable thing you can do.
There are quite some places where you can book a weekend seminar.
https://www.zugbruecke.de/de/Wellnesshotel-Zugbrücke-Grenzau/tischtennis-training/124/

http://www.borussia-duesseldorf.com/deutsch/tt_schule/termineanmeldung.html

http://topspin-sport.de/

http://qiutts.de/

Hiring a coach will be more expensive. But you can also ask Jannick. He's a good coach as well and i bet he can help you uplift your game. Just write him a mail or post to him on FB.

The rubber sounds like a classic chinese tacky rubber. Rather slow-ish and not very bouncy. You should try it out and if you like it stick to it, if not get a non-tacky rubber. But as i said the technique you use will be different from tacky rubbers to non-tacky rubbers.
The Gewo nano is a modern tensor with different varieties from hard to soft sponge and the 729 super fx will perform completely different. But just give it a try and see what suits.

 

[NextLevel]

You need coaching but you need to find a coach who has experience developing adult beginners. Coaches who mostly develop junior beginners don't tend to understand what it takes to get through to an adult as kids are more like sponges. Adults you usually have to have good stories to keep them going. Kids, you usually have to have good games to keep them going. Some coaches will just repeat exactly what they went through to improve and have no idea how to make the process slightly more efficient for adults.

It may take time but if you find the right adult coach, you will know because he will be telling you to play slower and rally more WITH SPIN, not faster and trying to kill the ball. If the coach is not trying to make you play slower, then he is not the coach for you. Trust me that this is the simplest indicator of whether anyone has experience coaching adults and making them better players. Of course, with kids, things are slightly different. Cheers.