Nasty rubber setup, another great ERT video

[UpSideDownCarl]

All this discussion makes me remember this hilarious gem of a video by Greg Letts. I still say "I like to put heavy topspin on the ball" in my mind to this day

hahahaha.

 

[Der_Echte]

He just lacks the kind of insightfulness you would get from a really good player or high level coach if you have ever spoken to one. He mostly parrots banal things, sometimes out of context. He is usually translating or passing through stuff without any real insight into it. No serious coach would tell you that one should use a rubber 3 degrees softer on the backhand vs the forehand without knowing precisely what your approaches to those strokes are and seeing the confidence you have in your technique, for example. Whenever he narrates over videos, there is very little context. Originally, he had this silly stuff about Chinese secrets and European vs Chinese technique which often compared the technique of European amateurs to Chinese professionals in videos to make his point. Nowadays, he just provides his stuff to people who are so hungry for TT wisdom that they follow someone who they have never seen play.

Calling Idesawa a nobody (or some equivalent like "non-world class player") is a simple example, how does a non-world class player get on the Japanese junior national team or play in the T-League? Any serious person in this sport knows that you don't play at the level of Idesawa without leaving a trail behind you in practice hours and serious competition. Or do you consider the members of the other national teams in the top 100 that Idesawa beat on the way to the finals nobodies as well? He Zhuoja a non-world class player too?

Mind altering drugs are abound in this world and widely used. They have a cumulative effect.

 

[Migzkulit]

Yeah, because you have no analogy or understanding of the limitations. The slice doesn't produce topspin, the slice has to block the ball while letting the spin pass through. Your analogy makes little sense because spin is just not as big a component of tennis. It just isn't other than using it to hit the ball harder or getting ball movement on some strokes. It's really hard to hit and less spin pass through in tennis.

What about the weird bounces that happened in tennis on grass and clay? We should bring those into table tennis too? Paint lines so the ball skids? So that whoever hits the lines gets an advantage?

It's hilarious how Greg Letts captured exactly the kind of player complaining about pips in his youtube skits. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

The governing body has already removed all those (mostly) unpredictable spins from Pips.
It's as if we changed the laws of physics. It's different but we can adjust because the law doesn't change to whatever we think or feel like it.

 

[Der_Echte]

My guess is that you will see Idesawa with a few occasional successes against top players, but then her competitiveness will fall off a cliff as the months and years go by. Once coaches get their players prepared for her unusual setup, her real ability or lack of ability will show. She's getting a 20% boost in effectiveness because of her nasty setup, but once they figure it out, she will just be an average pro player, not elite pro player.

Even KOREAN Haters said this about LP female player Seo Hyo Won... and she was top 15 for a decade WR... won Korea Open and on Korea Natl team a decade plus...

NO ONE stays on that squad a decade if they be chump change.

Her hot sister is still single and u better hurry to Korea to meat her, but I can name 10 female TT youtubers way hotter than her... but her sister has the TT skills to stay relevant in the amateur world in tourneys and the communication skills to announce Korean Pro league matches.

 

[NextLevel]

When you hit so good, you gotta ban yourself.

I tried. I tried to use those dead paddles. But it was rough to do it after using my paddle, so I decided... maybe next year if they go back lol!

 

[Der_Echte]

Well I'm a big fan of Sun Yang. He has a beautiful style, awesome forehand and chopping backhand. His style takes great technique, so I'm really hoping he is the future World Champion. He really earns his points and he is a great player.

But to me, Idesawa is abusing her equipment to win games. And a lot of 1600 LP guys are abusing their equipment. A lot of guys purposely won't use their LP in the club during warmup so that you are not used to it and they want to try to get more advantage to win the game. They know that people don't have the time and resources to practice enough against LP and use it to their advantage.

Bold text Whaeh-Whaeh Wheah, whaeh whaeh wah.

Figure out how to play TT already and quit making excuses for urself. YOU are accountable for how you play, not sum USATT official controlling equipment rules. Slippery pips already got banned and they were the easiest to play 1800-2000 level if you could get ur bat to the ball with a soft grp and control the bat angle... enough of a skill, but WAY easier than modern friction pips.

Here is sumthing for ya...

Tensor BH, I will be in LA Orange County in Oct 2023 in OCTTA for a seniors tourney, I challenge you to show ur face and Damn Der_Echte is the prototypical 2x inverted attacking player whose rating dropped to 1700... and I never play LP in a comp... but DAMMIT i SERIOUSLY BET YOU that I whup you trash talking azz playing with an ALL bat with Aurus and .6MM LP playing a chopping, pushing, and attack game.

Show up if you are not yellow.

Or you can show up, have a friendly hit and a dinner afterwards and we say nothing further but good stuff. I do not care how you want it. it is up to you.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Her hot sister is still single and u better hurry to Korea to meat her, but I can name 10 female TT youtubers way hotter than her...

I’ll just be happy to meet her but I can understand you want to meat her

 

[Gozo Aruna]

Is there a BTY loving fan-boi stereotype in there?

 

[Der_Echte]

Yeah, because you have no analogy or understanding of the limitations. The slice doesn't produce topspin, the slice has to block the ball while letting the spin pass through. Your analogy makes little sense because spin is just not as big a component of tennis. It just isn't other than using it to hit the ball harder or getting ball movement on some strokes. It's really hard to hit and less spin pass through in tennis.

What about the weird bounces that happened in tennis on grass and clay? We should bring those into table tennis too? Paint lines so the ball skids? So that whoever hits the lines gets an advantage?

It's hilarious how Greg Letts captured exactly the kind of player complaining about pips in his youtube skits. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

Tensor BH,

After I wrote a TT challenge, I read this post and challenge you to play doubles TT here in the Sacramento area if you ever show up... I will pick you up, even give you a prized racket with new strings and a 3.5 rated 60 yr old player, I will have a 60 yr old 3.5 player and we play doubles, I guarenfriggin T you that you will be lost more than a kid in a dark paper bag when I slice return your partner's serve to you or drop shot you.

Or the same offer, simply show up at the courts, have watch of the action, go for a dinner meal, have a friendly talk and enjoy life.

 

[Der_Echte]

I’ll just be happy to meet her but I can understand you want to meat her

I WAZ gunna edit and correkt that mis-spelling, but I figured some dude might misunderstand it the wrong way and comment for sum LULZ.

For the record, I already MET her (in 2011) (when she waz in her 20s) and I do not have enough money to meat her or any other woman for that matter, I have two women in my life and I cannot afford them as it is.

SYW is one competitive person and you would be proud to meet her, but her English sux rox. You gotta bring it with sum Korean or it doesn't happen.

 

[Der_Echte]

Bold text Whaeh-Whaeh Wheah, whaeh whaeh wah.

Figure out how to play TT already and quit making excuses for urself. YOU are accountable for how you play, not sum USATT official controlling equipment rules. Slippery pips already got banned and they were the easiest to play 1800-2000 level if you could get ur bat to the ball with a soft grp and control the bat angle... enough of a skill, but WAY easier than modern friction pips.

Here is sumthing for ya...

Tensor BH, I will be in LA Orange County in Oct 2023 in OCTTA for a seniors tourney, I challenge you to show ur face and Damn Der_Echte is the prototypical 2x inverted attacking player whose rating dropped to 1700... and I never play LP in a comp... but DAMMIT i SERIOUSLY BET YOU that I whup you trash talking azz playing with an ALL bat with Aurus and .6MM LP playing a chopping, pushing, and attack game.

Show up if you are not yellow.

Or you can show up, have a friendly hit and a dinner afterwards and we say nothing further but good stuff. I do not care how you want it. it is up to you.

If T-BH choose the dinner TT hit, dinner, and good conversation, I will drink a huge cup of STFU and enjoy hiz company and say nothing further.

 

[Der_Echte]

For the record, I did exactly like USD Carl suggested (over 10 yrs ago) and it really helped me understand the BH OX LP playing crown and win vs them at my level and below.

LP rubbers do not cost an arm or a leg, heck, they do not even cost a fingernail... just offer any old dude LP EJ a hamburger or two in exchange for an unwanted LP rubber... heck, they might just give it away for free just for the asking.

Now U have a valuable training resource.

 

[Metaxa]

it’s only true at lower levels than pips player cannot play with inverted rubbers. At something like 2xxx US level, all pips player know how to twiddle and actually know how to use BOTH inverted and pips rubbers. Both their BH and FH drive will be better than yours.

Yes indeed, the better players, but not the 90% of other ones.
One of the players that I know, he is just outside the top 200 now (around 2000 level player, out of over 20,000 active players) still cannot play FH with an inverted rubber. He doesn't have the technique for that, just like 30 years ago.
The technological rubbers would not have existed, he would never have gotten as good as what he once was.
Of course he had to train a lot with such rubbers and that is to his credit, but had they not existed he could never have reached this level because he was not sufficiently technically skilled to play with double inverters.

 

[NextLevel]

Yes indeed, the better players, but not the 90% of other ones.
One of the players that I know, he is just outside the top 200 now (around 2000 level player, out of over 20,000 active players) still cannot play FH with an inverted rubber. He doesn't have the technique for that, just like 30 years ago.
The technological rubbers would not have existed, he would never have gotten as good as what he once was.
Of course he had to train a lot with such rubbers and that is to his credit, but had they not existed he could never have reached this level because he was not sufficiently technically skilled to play with double inverters.

Or maybe if everyone used pips or hardbat, his level would have been good because he can hit the ball with those but not with sponge?

 

[Metaxa]

Young kid and/or 2x Inverted player who avoids LP players: (Crying and Sobbing) Whaeh-whaeh... I just lost to an LP player who is unathletic and uses slippery pips, and just sticks his LP pips on BH out there worse than a chicken wing and I cannot figure out how to attack his return and I make error after error !!!! I just crapped in my drawers and I need you to clean it up for me - I am incapable !!! Whaeh Whaeh !!!

LP players: Friggin' learn how to play table tennis and wipe ur own azz !!!

ITTF prez at the time: We hear you, although NONE of the professional players have problems with LP at the top level and drool at the prospect of an easy match victory vs a frictionless Pips player, we will make equipment rules that literally every nation copy/pastes into their own natl assn laws so you do not have to face a slippery LP player in your club or sanctioned tourneys !!!

LP players: Dammit, gotta buy and try 100 rubbers and figure out how to play table tennis again... OK, after all these years of trying, I figured out how to play 1500-2200 USATT level again with friction pips. Bring it on U 2x inverted attackers, try and take this battery off my shoulder !!!

Young kid and/or 2x Inverted player who avoids LP players: (Crying and Sobbing) Whaeh-whaeh... I just lost to an LP player who is unathletic and uses ITTF legal friction LP pips... Dammit, he gets the ball back and it is weird and slow and I cannot figure out the timing and spin !!! So I blindly attack the return out of position, out of timing with no leverage and I miss and miss !!!! Whaeh-Whaeh !!! Someone at USATT MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS !!!

NO FAIR ARRRHHH !!!!

OK, now I am off to my room to Boost all my H3s and pro Tenergies and make a gazillion threads all about it and talk about all rubbers and ways to boost 'em... more rubbers to boost than there are Pokemon to catch.

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We can talk all day about this until the cows come home, but it is pretty much like I wrote above.

Figure out how to play TT already.

YOU are responsible and accountable for your play and results -NOT SOME GOVERNMENT> Table Tennis is NOT Socialism or Communism or CRT or Equity of outcome without the work. The Govt is not ur daddy. The govt has no place or duty for coddling you.

I recognise that!
But...
The full story is, the young boys/girl quit with ping pong, because the sport, table tennis is too high for them.
And that's a little bit pity.

 

[Metaxa]

Or maybe if everyone used pips or hardbat, his level would have been good because he can hit the ball with those but not with sponge?

Most likely yes. But he plays with LP
Surely there is an organization with a world championship for SP only, I thought?

 

[Metaxa]

To this day, personally i still struggle against LP players. i take it as a challenge, it just shows the weaknesses in my fundamentals. My friend E almost NEVER loses against pips player. His level is 2-3 levels above mine, but it reflects the fact he is comfortable against this style. OTOH because i'm familiar with E, i always have a chance to win against him, even in tournaments. This reflects the amount of time i spend playing with him.

Just like me!

 

[NextLevel]

Most likely yes. But he plays with LP
Surely there is an organization with a world championship for SP only, I thought?

There are hardbat championships yes. But in general, being able to hit a ball in table tennis is a technical act, especially when you are not using high spin material. And outside of ITTF rules, tournament organizers can do whatever they want.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

For someone who loses to both pips out and pips in, I do not feel any difference whether is pips out or pips in.

 

[NextLevel]

Just like me!

I struggle with pips, but it is all relative to my level. I don't lose to pips players at my level unless they outplayed me.