Need help in setup: I am frustrated

[Amitarora1319]

Hi friends,

just bought butterfly viscaria and had tenergy 05 fx on forehand and backhand.I just don't like the punch on the blade.

overall,it's very easy to flick, however looping requires some effort to generate spin. The bat weight is good but I just don't like the feel of it.

Previously had used Jonyer h and friendship 729 with mark v on both sides for both the blades.

not sure where things went wrong.loved the punch of friendship 729 but it's handle was too heavy.

my game style is close to the table with third and fifth /ball attack. I also put lot of force in my serves.

any advise on blade with a punch and offensive rubbers will be really appreciated. I am really pissed off right now to be honest. I thought I was buying a good setup but it disappointed me.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

Hard to say, but I think any OFF+ blade would be good for you. However your setup is absolutely good, probably technique lacks.

 

[Astorix]

Sounds like the tenergy fx is too soft for you. If you liked the feeling of the 729 then maybe what you are looking for is a rubber with medium to hard sponge with rather tacky topsheet and at least a medium stiff blade. Just suggestions, i never played Viscaria. Hope i could help

 

[ttmonster]

Amit, if you have bought it from a reputed dealer there is nothing wrong with the setup . if you are unhappy with the soft rubber then that is the way fx plays , there is nothing wrong with that . I would have tried 05 and not 05 fx at first before trying softer rubber. But unless you give some account of playing level or some video of your playing and pictures of your setup , I don't think anybody can venture a guess as to what went wrong ..

 

[Amitarora1319]

Thanks buddy.my /blade said 729 and I had mark v. I am pretty good in looping so I think it's primarily the blade, not the rubber. I loved mark v and played state level with it. I would say I am an intermediate level player. My loops are fast and low arc followed by a blunt flat or topspin.i am not a rally player and play close to the table.

viscaria is fine but I would like more feel on the blade while making contact. The punch is missing.

any suggestions on rubber like you mentioned.i am happy to research.thanks for your help.

 

[Amitarora1319]

Understand and appreciate it. Can't post a video though would love to as I play at work.

Let me say;

close to the table
primarily aggressive
3 strikes / 5 strikes
powerful serves
left handed


i know it's not much of help.but still

 

[TTHopeful]

You should go for 05 maybe. Is it a real Viscaria where did you get it from?

 

[Amitarora1319]

Yeah maybe. Got it from a reputed store dealer in India.the blade is surely genuine. Did the research and checked.

if viscaria doesn't have the punch for me,any suggestions on blades? Would long 3 be an option. A blade which is hard but syncs well with rubbers like tenergy 05 providing offensive style and control at the same time.

maybe I am looking for a bit stiffer blade. Any clues on what mightt be stiffer than viscaria

thanks all of you for being so helpful.

 

[MindTrip]

It is the rubber, not the blade. I had the same issue with 64FX. Viscaria has a soft feeling for a moderately stiff blade. Soft feeling blade under soft rubbers gives the feeling of mush. Put your Mark V on one side of the Viscaria to be sure. Otherwise, you could change your looping stroke from a graze of the ball to a more forward than upward swing to penetrate the softer rubber and get a decent loop.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

If you want real change go for something OFF+. There are a plenty and I don't know too much about them so I won't recommend you a specific one. Long 3 wouldn't be much better than Viscaria.
A hard rubber like Evoulution MX-P would help you to find the right punching feeling. Gewo Hype XT Pro 50.0 is another option.
Golden rule: if you have a problem, practice more to solve it and don't blame the equipment. (Unless it's really bad. Then you can.)

 

[NextLevel]

If you want real change go for something OFF+. There are a plenty and I don't know too much about them so I won't recommend you a specific one. Long 3 wouldn't be much better than Viscaria.
A hard rubber like Evoulution MX-P would help you to find the right punching feeling. Gewo Hype XT Pro 50.0 is another option.
Golden rule: if you have a problem, practice more to solve it and don't blame the equipment. (Unless it's really bad. Then you can.)

Yeah, but the feeling of what happens is hard to ignore for people. Understandably so as that is how they get their immediate feedback. That's why I am happy I EJed a lot and to some degree still do. Lots of people can't adjust to equipment like I can because they liked playing with one kind of thing, while I figured out a long time ago that there is feeling and there is playing and they may or may not be related.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

Yeah, but the feeling of what happens is hard to ignore for people. Understandably so as that is how they get their immediate feedback. That's why I am happy I EJed a lot and to some degree still do. Lots of people can't adjust to equipment like I can because they liked playing with one kind of thing, while I figured out a long time ago that there is feeling and there is playing and they may or may not be related.

Yeah, it's pretty important to play with the stuff you like. That's why I wrote an actual response and not just the hypocrite 'you are a stupid EJ if you want to change your equipment' one.

 

[Jabugo]

Yeah, but the feeling of what happens is hard to ignore for people. Understandably so as that is how they get their immediate feedback. That's why I am happy I EJed a lot and to some degree still do. Lots of people can't adjust to equipment like I can because they liked playing with one kind of thing, while I figured out a long time ago that there is feeling and there is playing and they may or may not be related.

I believe "feeling" can influence playing. If something doesn't feel right, playing will simply not be as enjoyable. But yeah, I agree there's an advantage to increased exposure to different equipment. I had a long spell (over a decade) with one setup, and it was very different when I tried something else. But I'm glad I did, and EJing improved my adaptation and understanding of different equipment and environments. Now more types of equipment feel good rather than just different.

I thought I was through with EJing, but I recently tried a Timo Boll ALC/T05 setup and it felt so nice. Do all roads inevitably lead here??

 

[Amitarora1319]

Thank you guys. Appreciate your candid feedback.just a disclaimer...I am not ej...I have the old racket for almost 20 years now.but yes the feeling is important...lol. I believe maybe I goofed up on rubber..maybe. Will try my old mark v to see what do I feel.

 

[NextLevel]

I believe "feeling" can influence playing. If something doesn't feel right, playing will simply not be as enjoyable. But yeah, I agree there's an advantage to increased exposure to different equipment. I had a long spell (over a decade) with one setup, and it was very different when I tried something else. But I'm glad I did, and EJing improved my adaptation and understanding of different equipment and environments. Now more types of equipment feel good rather than just different.

I thought I was through with EJing, but I recently tried a Timo Boll ALC/T05 setup and it felt so nice. Do all roads inevitably lead here??

ZJK from what I hear has 4 versions of the same set up and he will pick the one he feels like using on the specific day.

I remember Dima once commenting that a particular setup he used was optimized to play against defense. Infer what you may but from all this, I think that EJing is more common amongst pros that some people would like you to believe.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

ZJK from what I hear has 4 versions of the same set up and he will pick the one he feels like using on the specific day.

I remember Dima once commenting that a particular setup he used was optimized to play against defense. Infer what you may but from all this, I think that EJing is more common amongst pros that some people would like you to believe.

It's pretty fun to listen to our(my club's) coaches' chatting before the session and during warm-up (The head coach beat Benedek Oláh a few weeks ago...then we can count him as a pro?) Blades, glues, boosters...EJ-ing is a daily theme. The other coach told me that he feeds multiball with Simon Gauzy's weared (around 1 week old) rubbers as he got a pile of them from Ochsenhausen.

 

[Baal]

OK let's review (paraphrasing):

"In the past I used unspecified 729 racket and outdated Btfly blade (A) with very slow rubber (B).

Then I tried quite fast racket X with quite fast rubber Y.

I didn't like it, X/Y lacked "punch". The problem must be with racket X because I am good at looping."

??????

There are some issues here. EJing is fine I guess, What the OP bought was pretty state of the art and it sounds like he hasnt tried anything new in a long time so he is not taking EJ to some deranged level. Still need to try to be systematic about it.

 

[Jaffar Lone]

If you're looking for a blade with feel, i don't think Viscaria is the answer for that. Second thing, how many sessions have you played with the current setup? I would reckon you need a month at least before you get used to any new setup, be it blade or rubber.
I would suggest you keep using the same setup and do not change. Give it time. As someone already pointed out, many times it is the technique and not the equipment that is faulty.

Hi friends,

just bought butterfly viscaria and had tenergy 05 fx on forehand and backhand.I just don't like the punch on the blade.

overall,it's very easy to flick, however looping requires some effort to generate spin. The bat weight is good but I just don't like the feel of it.

Previously had used Jonyer h and friendship 729 with mark v on both sides for both the blades.

not sure where things went wrong.loved the punch of friendship 729 but it's handle was too heavy.

my game style is close to the table with third and fifth /ball attack. I also put lot of force in my serves.

any advise on blade with a punch and offensive rubbers will be really appreciated. I am really pissed off right now to be honest. I thought I was buying a good setup but it disappointed me.

 

[laistrogian]

You generally don't want to put a soft rubber to a blade with harder top ply. Soft rubbers feel really nice when paired with a limba top ply but when you try to put it on koto, it feels like hitting a hard brick

 

[Ankit Wankhede]

Let me tell you honest analysis.You previously played with marv ,729 and ButterflyJH blade.you have gone with sudden change from internediate to pro level of play.see only pro can use Viscaria and T05 rubber.Blade is light cause pro have to very fast so they prefer light weight.you may not have that type of stroke cause you use your orevious weighted rubber for strokes.hence you will not get feel of viscaria.my suggestion would be go with little intermediate rubber and blade such as stiga infinity vps ,rubber:donic baracuda,xiom,sriver ,first develop with this rubber fully and then use your viscaria

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