Players pick their GOAT 🐐🏓

[PoppaChubby]

Did you forget Ma Lin won the Olympics in Beijing? He also has 3 WTTC silver medals and is a 5 time World Cup winner.

No I didn't that's why I've said it was easier to win an event that is hapenning every 2 years. He's not better than Gatien in that case, If you want to put Ma Lin before Gatien, that's up to you. I was just mentionning Dan's biases for not putting Gatien into the conversation, Mizutani, really who cares ? Ryu Seung Min ? I know what Dan does here: trying to keep his job at the WTT so he has to put Ryu Seung-Min who's a member of the board at the ITTF.
Mizutani, please, this guy has never won anything in singles events
Timo Boll better than Persson according to Apolonia ? poor Tiago, he knows few about TT history.

This concept is a joke

 

[Dr Evil]

Implied rank order in the Dan-Tiago interview:

1. Ma Long
2. Waldner
3. Zhang Jike
4. Fan Zhendong
5. Wang Liqin
6. Wang Hao
7. Ryu Seung Min
8. Schlager
9. Timo
10. Ma Lin
11. Persson
12. Mizutani

Most obvious snubs: Liu Guoliang, Kong Linghui

I think the top 5 are pretty clear. You can't argue with Ma Long's overall career record. Only Waldner and maybe ZJK can challenge his peak as most dominant ever in the modern game. FZD is a close number 4, and Wang Liqin I think is a clear number 5. Numbers 6-12 are arguable, and that group should really include Liu and Kong. I'd rank them Ma Lin, Wang Hao, Kong Linghui, Liu Guoliang, Persson, Boll, Mizutani, Schlager, Ryu, giving precedence to Mizutani's sustained excellence over the peaks of Ryu and Schlager. Gatien is definitely top 20 all time, but I wouldn't rank him above any of the 14 players on the list.

 

[Bollwerk]

No I didn't that's why I've said it was easier to win an event that is hapenning every 2 years. He's not better than Gatien in that case, If you want to put Ma Lin before Gatien, that's up to you. I was just mentionning Dan's biases for not putting Gatien into the conversation, Mizutani, really who cares ? Ryu Seung Min ? I know what Dan does here: trying to keep his job at the WTT so he has to put Ryu Seung-Min who's a member of the board at the ITTF.
Mizutani, please, this guy has never won anything in singles events
Timo Boll better than Persson according to Apolonia ? poor Tiago, he knows few about TT history.

This concept is a joke

It's easier to win an event that's every 2 years yes, that's not a pro Gatien argument, he won the worse one. Ma Lin's Olympics is worth more than his WTTC (which was basically an ETTC for him too)... You call out Dan for what's just a fun video format, say facts matter and then completely twist the argument lol.

Wang Hao had better results at every grand slam event than Gatien and he's not even in your top 10, like please be serious. Him and Ma Lin had the best careers without getting a grand slam. Gatien could've been the opposite, worst one with grand slam. Since he missed out what's left is 2 gold & 2 silver, not close to their careers or top 10 material.

 

[Robin0910]

No I didn't that's why I've said it was easier to win an event that is hapenning every 2 years. He's not better than Gatien in that case, If you want to put Ma Lin before Gatien, that's up to you. I was just mentionning Dan's biases for not putting Gatien into the conversation, Mizutani, really who cares ? Ryu Seung Min ? I know what Dan does here: trying to keep his job at the WTT so he has to put Ryu Seung-Min who's a member of the board at the ITTF.
Mizutani, please, this guy has never won anything in singles events
Timo Boll better than Persson according to Apolonia ? poor Tiago, he knows few about TT history.

This concept is a joke

So it’s your opinion. No need to talk about facts in this case.

 

[TableTennisDaily]

Tomokazu Harimoto picks his goat 🐐

 

[rpb23]

Dan left Ma Long for the last pick. Weird. Be a pretty uninteresting video if he didn't.

So honestly I have a hard time believing Waldner could beat JZK (or even FZD who was just like ZJK but with more power IMO).

I've always felt that athletes in all sports continually get better. They watch what past greats did, practice those skills and expand upon them. Not to mention that physical training & analysis gets better & better with technology.

Waldner, and essentially all pros back in the day never BH flipped short serves. They pushed. Today's players can still push or flip many serves. That's just a huge advantage ZJK would have over Waldner if they were to play in often getting his attack off first.

If you watch the NBA, you have never seen a time where there are as many skilled players as there are today. In passing, handling the ball but particularly shooting. It's crazy how many good shooters there are now a days. Kobe learned from Michael, adopted all his post up moves and did them just as well in his prime. Learning from past greats. Now every pro for many years now has taken ques from Steph Curry in seeing how the game has changed and teams find out through analytics that the 3 point shot is the better statical shot. There are shooters everywhere now. Just one example of many where players see what past greats did and expand upon it continually getting better.

Certainly past players if playing today would have all the training advantages current players have and they'd be working on these newer skills they didn't really employ back in their day. So they would be even better than they were back in the day. They have that argument to lean on. But at that point we're getting very hypothetical. Ultimately we can only go on what we've seen and today's players just have more weapons available.

So I think it's a pretty easy ZJK over Waldner.

We are talking about the greatness (goat type), especially the impact to the game not the skill level. Waldner deserves to be the number 2 (a distance 2). In terms of skill and competition level, many players can handle Waldner with ease, like Ma Lin, Wang Hao, ZJK even players like Xu Xin, or current players like WCQ, LSD, Felix, Boll, Moregard, etc.

 

[rpb23]

Did you forget Ma Lin won the Olympics in Beijing? He also has 3 WTTC silver medals and is a 5 time World Cup winner.

He also conveniently missed the fact ZJK finished grand slams in record time(about one year and half) while emphasizing Waldner did it in 3 years. So mush fact based with no bios. LOL.

 

[rpb23]

Tomokazu Harimoto picks his goat 🐐

FZD all the way, Tomo is a FZD fan boy.
A few years down the road, WCQ may be Tomo's pick. Prime time WCQ can really crash Tomo with no resistance like the USA Smash final.

 

[rpb23]

Where's Gatien ? the french has achieved more than Schlager, Persson and Timo being only 1 final away from a grand slam. You're completely biased Dan.

Schlager did it in a Chinese dominated era like a lone wolf, a much more heroic and impressive feat. On his way to the final, he beat KLH and reigning champion WLQ, two of top Chinese players of the time. Circumstances matter how and when you perform.

 

[TableTennisDaily]

Truls Moregardh picks his goat 🐐

 

[rpb23]

Truls Moregardh picks his goat 🐐

"Waldner or Ma Long"?
"Ma Long"! relied with barely little hesitation.
GOAT debate should have long been settled now even Waldner's follower and compatriot has picked his GOAT.

 

[S2000]

There is one thing to consider. What Waldner, Persson, Appelgren and a couple of more Swedes did was that they turned the total Chinese dominance for a number of years. That was extraordinary coonsidering how many Chinese played in those days. The Swedish team dominated around 1990 for a number of years. With that said it is not easy to compare not only rackets evolved the rubbers have made tremendous improvements and there is the new ball. Arguments thatthey were not as well fit in the 90s? Well they were really well trained. Hiw come Waldner won a world championship without loosing a set? Another change is from going to 21 and now 11. With that said I think it is a pleasure to view all these players mentioned. To me to rank is difficult but I would put Ma Long with Waldner in the top. Then I have problems.

 

[TableTennisDaily]

Felix Lebrun:

 

[TableTennisDaily]

Dimitrij Ovtcharov:

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Dimitrij Ovtcharov:

Ryu Seung Min my goat 🗣🔥🔥 lasted so long 🥶🥶🥶 eventually ofc FZD beat him 😔

 

[XpingpingpongpongX]

All the well known players had their time and their influence. But undoubtedly, Ma Long stayed at the top for the longest. Factoring in other aspects, everyone has his/her own list of GOAT. FZD has the potential to supersede Ma Long because he rose to the top so early in age. But unfortunately he might retire at a young age also. This also shows it's not easy to stay at the top. You need talent, determination, and some luck.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

All the well known players had their time and their influence. But undoubtedly, Ma Long stayed at the top for the longest. Factoring in other aspects, everyone has his/her own list of GOAT. FZD has the potential to supersede Ma Long because he rose to the top so early in age. But unfortunately he might retire at a young age also. This also shows it's not easy to stay at the top. You need talent, determination, and some luck.

Ma is naturally gonna be the GOAT of all tt.

If I'm correct ML has retired for the most part, no?

 

[rpb23]

Ryu Seung Min my goat 🗣🔥🔥 lasted so long 🥶🥶🥶 eventually ofc FZD beat him 😔

I'll pick Ma Lin over Ryu in a second. Ryu is Olympic champion, so is Ma Lin. Ma is also 4 or 5 times world cup winner, 3 times world championship runner up.
As matter of fact, I'll also put Wang Hao ahead of Ryu by a mile even though Ryu did beat WH in the olympic. H2H WH beat Ryu in a land slide.
The fact Ryu was so impressive, mainly because of his Olympic gold medal, an equivalent of a little guy knocking out a giant. Also his powerful forehand and terrific lightening fast footwork with a disadvantaged traditional penhold technique.
Actually, among 4 great recent penholders, ML, WH, XX and Ryu, Ryu is the distance last H2H with each other. His playing style dictates his upper limit. Good thing he captured a golden opportunity to become Olympic champion with the unbelievable peak performance, kind like a fluke.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

I'll pick Ma Lin over Ryu in a second. Ryu is Olympic champion, so is Ma Lin. Ma is also 4 or 5 times world cup winner, 3 times world championship runner up.
As matter of fact, I'll also put Wang Hao ahead of Ryu by a mile even though Ryu did beat WH in the olympic. H2H WH beat Ryu in a land slide.
The fact Ryu was so impressive, mainly because of his Olympic gold medal, an equivalent of a little guy knocking out a giant. Also his powerful forehand and terrific lightening fast footwork with a disadvantaged traditional penhold technique.
Actually, among 4 great recent penholders, ML, WH, XX and Ryu, Ryu is the distance last H2H with each other. His playing style dictates his upper limit. Good thing he captured a golden opportunity to become Olympic champion with the unbelievable peak performance, kind like a fluke.

Man why you gotta be so mean 😔😔😔
Just kidding

But hes my goat, mainly because I rank via prime and not overall. People say ZJK is better but overall ML beats him by a landslide, so it's really just opinion based. Imo in his prime where he actually didnt fumble up games for some strange reason hes in my top ten list.

 

[NextLevel]

Some people in the comments think Dima is picking ZJK only because Dima could beat him lol, but but it is very easy to forget what an era looked like when a player was dominant or what a great single match performance at peak level looks like. Facing a player at his peak sometimes gives a very different impression from the STATS.