Short review of Glayzer 09c

[kindof99]

So when Gan, a former Chinese provincial player who was likely upwards of 2600 USATT equivalent at his peak, and is one of the only trusted online equipment reviewers by high level players and even pros, says repeatedly in his review that G09c is slow, lacks power, lacks quality, isn't suitable for the FH, that he wouldn't recommend it even for intermediate players, and that if you are looking for a rubber with quality then you "shouldn't consider it"... is that also user error?

It seems like there are 8 pages of comments on Glayzer on this thread, a mixed bag, some compliments, but a lot of dissatisfied users, mostly converging upon that it is a significantly watered down Dignics like Rozena is to Tenergy. Which is exactly what it is. I'm not sure where the "complete garbage" characterization comes into play unless I missed something even though it seems like theres a lot of convergence of opinion that it isn't the most inspiring rubber lol.

Gan is no way USATT 2600, Maybe 2200-2300 max

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Exactly. If Glayzer 09c was actually "garbage", I'm sure Butterfly wouldn't have released it in the first place. If it was "unplayable" people would stop playing it. If it "couldn't lift backspin if my life depended on it" then it would be worse than $5 Aliexpress rubber.
There's simply no way any of that is actually true. It's either highly exaggerated, or, and I honestly think this is more likely, it's a user error.

After reading through the thread I don't see any those two quotes you mentioned... is it a deleted/edited comment or did you just make up quotes that nobody said lol?

 

[Robin0910]

Gan is no way USATT 2600, Maybe 2200-2300 max

He’s definitely more. If @God-scrubplayer is in 2200s then Gan is at least 2400-2500.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Gan is no way USATT 2600, Maybe 2200-2300 max

Hilarious. Please show me the other 2200 players you know that are casually playing points like this in street shoes lol. Also considering that this is probably a few years after he retired from serious training.

 

[Tyce]

OK fanboi. You're stuck to your opinion, that doesn't mean it's the only valid one.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

OK fanboi. You're stuck to your opinion, that doesn't mean it's the only valid one.

I didn't say it was... I asked if those phrases you put in quotes were actual quotes or not. It's a valid question since the thread OP has a history of re-writing and deleting his comments but good job on being unnecessarily rude because someone didn't agree with your opinion that you're stuck to lol.

Though judging by your response it appears they were never actual quotes but instead just figments of your imagination that you made up as a total strawman.

 

[Tyce]

Sure bud. You keep thinking that. Stay right there, where nobody's opinion can touch you because you make damn sure you discredit and put down anyone that even comes close.
Stupid internet discussions... I don't know why I even try to make a goddamn point anymore, because there's always some vocal idiot trying to blow you away without any form of logic.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Sure bud. You keep thinking that. Stay right there, where nobody's opinion can touch you because you make damn sure you discredit and put down anyone that even comes close.
Stupid internet discussions... I don't know why I even try to make a goddamn point anymore, because there's always some vocal idiot trying to blow you away without any form of logic.

It was a simple question which you refused to answer and then threw the first punch.

I'll ask again though: did anyone ever say it was "unplayable" or that "they couldn't lift backspin if their life depended on it" on this thread? Because those were what you put in quotes on your original comment and I simply noted that I didn't see anyone who said that?

Exactly. If Glayzer 09c was actually "garbage", I'm sure Butterfly wouldn't have released it in the first place. If it was "unplayable" people would stop playing it. If it "couldn't lift backspin if my life depended on it" then it would be worse than $5 Aliexpress rubber.
There's simply no way any of that is actually true. It's either highly exaggerated, or, and I honestly think this is more likely, it's a user error.

 

[Machi]

It was a simple question which you refused to answer and then threw the first punch.

I'll ask again though: did anyone ever say it was "unplayable" or that "they couldn't lift backspin if their life depended on it" on this thread? Because those were what you put in quotes on your original comment and I simply noted that I didn't see anyone who said that?

Jan the op, said he couldn’t lift backspin when his life depended on it. He may delete it, but I saw that he said it 2 months ago

 

[Machi]

I read the thread again, he edited his posts to sound more positive and less hateful to g09c

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Jan the op, said he couldn’t lift backspin when his life depended on it. He may delete it, but I saw that he said it 2 months ago

That is what I figured and exactly what I asked but I got attacked for it lol

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Gan is way higher than 2300

2200-2300 is really low level in Asia and if anyone was just to go through TT school until 18 years old, and haven't been forced out due to "too low level", the players should be 2500+ for sure.
2200 level is probably at 13~15 years old

and to me, the level between 2550 and say 2500 is night and day
that is why I said in the USATT system, the level in gap on the higher end is too little in numbers.
there is a good chance Gan is 2600, since I know few Taiwanese players in that range or higher, and aren't really a threat in China.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Gan is way higher than 2300

2200-2300 is really low level in Asia and if anyone was just to go through TT school until 18 years old, and haven't been forced out due to "too low level", the players should be 2500+ for sure.
2200 level is probably at 13~15 years old

and to me, the level between 2550 and say 2500 is night and day
that is why I said in the USATT system, the level in gap on the higher end is too little in numbers.
there is a good chance Gan is 2600, since I know few Taiwanese players in that range or higher, and aren't really a threat in China.

Yeah it is hard to say without seeing a lot more match video but you can tell even from short clips and even just his training that he is 2500 minimum likely higher. Probably high 25s maybe even 2650 at his best. He is clearly years removed from serious training now.

2200-2300 is an absolutely ridiculous estimate though.

 

[banbekas]

It is fascinating that you watched that review and concluded that they said it was good enough for them when he clearly said that he doesn't recommend the rubber even for intermediate players and continually harped on the lack of shot quality which is, again, what people in this thread are saying.

Also that you don't seem to realize that the hitting friend is an intermediate amateur player who Gan intentionally brings on to bring a lower level perspective to his

Rozena was bad for intermediate player too. Doesn't change the fact that ZYL found it enough to play with. Same goes for Glayzer. You can't compare it to Dignics, it's lower but still good enough for amateur, who are Gan's friend, you, I, and everyone here.

 

[Tyce]

That is what I figured and exactly what I asked but I got attacked for it lol

Yeah lol.
You didn't have any fault in this. Except denial, asking for proof rather than admitting there is a point, you're deflecting and then accusing me of doing so. But lol no idea why I don't just agree with you lol lol.

 

[longle]

G09c is very good actually, I can still pull good shots with it. The slow speed and high control is a good thing, It will helps you to develop your power generation. Although the durability is not so good, my sheet lost all tackiness in 1.5 months

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[tzifos]

Now I am sure that BTY drop some serious $$$$ to destroy OP !!!

 

[Egon]

As Next Level correctly noted in this thread and as Zwill said in other threads, one of the big positive qualities of Butterfly rubber is its low weight with quite high sponge hardness. I noticed that several new Butterfly blades that passed through my hands began to weigh more than 90 grams, namely 93 grams! Good weight and balance of the racket is obtained with light rubbers from Butterfly, but putting two rubbers with a hard sponge from ESN or DHS will not work - the overall weight of the racket increases and the balance shifts to the blade, which complicates wrist movements, for example, when performing a banana and backhand topspin.
In this regard, thoughts may arise about a conspiracy by Butterfly, who deliberately increase the weight of the blade so that when buying a new blade, the player would sooner or later buy Butterfly rubbers because of the weight, but it still seems to me that in this way Butterfly simply balances the weight of its equipment. After all, if the blade and rubbers are light, then the racket will also be lighter and ultimately have no power.

Edited. It is possible that the high weight of the new Butterfly blades that I got is just a coincidence and I am making up something that does not exist, but here we share our personal experiences and observations, and for me it is like this for now.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Not sure about you guys but in my locale here, the price of Glyzer 05 / 09C is very close to Tenergy. BTY has dropped the price of Tenergy, hence it is a no brainer anymore.

 

[tzifos]

Here the prices haven't changed. Still Rozena/Glayzers are at 3/4 of Tenergy price.


p.s. welcome back Jan_!