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My idea now is to take a break from TT even if I'll miss, I've been feeling more disconfort / stress than enjoying the game. I get very obsessed with anything I learn (on my work is fine lol, that lead me to AAA clients) but table tennis is different, is not like my work that if I'm 24/7 learning, I'm already on a learning curve thats successfull, in TT even training daily, I have days where I feel a complete beginner, and I hate it.

From what I have seen I think you've made impressive progress for the 4 years, very impressive. You also look like someone who has a lot of fun during the training. I sort of understand your momentary frustration, but in my opinion, this is all just the process... I really wish you find something immutable, which brings you joy constantly, and I think for a good percentage of us, it is the hitting, hit the s... out of it. You need to have fun in that..., that is what @lodro said... Now regarding 1 other thing, it is not that I disagree with others, e.g. @dingyibvs, that it is about technique, it is always melted, it is about everything all the time... BUT, you say yourself you are blocked, your hand is frozen - and that IS a mental thing - which again is part of the process, it will not take long, I guarantee - you just need to realize following: what is more disappointing? Is it losing the game, or the realization that you found yourself frozen??? You just need to be completely disappointed in yourself for a while, that you, you know, "managed" to be frozen. Soon you'll hate it with utmost intensity, you'll rather burn than be frozen... Won't take long, don't give up, you've such a fun and potential... Other problems will come later ;-)
 
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Hah, he looks like me playing the BH. I do great against people who just give me moderately paced simple topspins, but struggle when there are pace variations. IMO it's not a mindset issue, it's a technique issue. You play tentative when the ball makes you uncomfortable, and you're uncomfortable when the ball isn't what you regularly see in training and training matches. Your default BH shot appears to be the BH loop, which requires an active backswing and good timing. Work on that timing against slower and less spinny balls, and work on recognizing the speed/spin of the ball quicker and you'll see a quick rise in your game.

It's important to keep in mind that just because a ball is slower or less spinny doesn't mean it's easy. It's easy only if you've put in anywhere near the same amount of time practicing against it as you did against higher quality balls. Kids train for years against those types of balls when they start off. Adults who wish to progress quickly often move onto faster, spinnier balls as soon as they can handle slower, less spinny shots, before we have the hours to really ingrain them into our muscle memory.

My advice is to go back to the basics, and mix in basics with the advanced stuff because you can see both in the same rally. If you misidentify a technique issue for a mindset issue then it'll actually become a mindset issue as you start to expect to perform worse in tournaments. This will be compounded by the fact that people do tend to play tighter in tournaments, so the same people you beat in leagues will start giving you softer, safer returns while you try to compensate for your perceived lack of aggression by forcing attacks against balls you're not used to seeing, resulting in losing to people you usually beat.
Tbh his opponent knew how to serve hook, pendulum and the heavy underspin/no spin, and OP was completely overwhelmed by the spin variation. His opponent was clearly higher level in terms of spin understanding (though also having quite a few technical issues of his own)

I didnt see any adjustment in OP's stroke to the different incoming balls. One is the issue with his BH stroke being largely arm only and not driven by the body (although he does have a strong arm) so it is a lot more error prone. The other thing is a clear lack of spin understanding and appreciation (even in his writeup, there is no mention of spin or placement), although it seems like he is having numerous unforced errors but in reality it is just because he is not even reading the spin properly and doesnt know how to adjust his stroke to various spins.

For me, I played a lot better once I started to mentally divide all incoming balls into the 7 different types of spin (clockwise sideunder+sidetop, anticlockwise sideunder+sidetop, heavy under, no spin, topspin), and then found the best ways to deal with each spin archetype on each single stroke. I memorised all these methods and trained them separately so that I knew precisely what to do when faced with a certain spin. If I missed consistently against a certain spin, I will go back to the drawing board to find better methods to deal with those balls and then train them. The important thing is to understand precisely why you missed - it is not just a matter of 'mentality', but often it is a spin misread or a footwork error (not getting to the correct position)

Otherwise what will happen is that opponent gives you a topspin, you loop it out so you start trying to press it down the next time but they gave you an underspin instead so it goes straight to the net, then they give you a sidespin which you miss the ball completely, etc... then you would simply not dare to do anything for fear of missing, and then lose the game.

If you think that is way too complex, I'm sorry but table tennis with inverted rubbers is very complex in order to play well. If you dont want to deal with the spin complexity, the best option is to just put anti or pips (LP or SP) on your BH.
 
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Tbh his opponent knew how to serve hook, pendulum and the heavy underspin/no spin, and OP was completely overwhelmed by the spin variation. His opponent was clearly higher level in terms of spin understanding (though also having quite a few technical issues of his own)

I didnt see any adjustment in OP's stroke to the different incoming balls. One is the issue with his BH stroke being largely arm only and not driven by the body (although he does have a strong arm) so it is a lot more error prone. The other thing is a clear lack of spin understanding and appreciation (even in his writeup, there is no mention of spin or placement), although it seems like he is having numerous unforced errors but in reality it is just because he is not even reading the spin properly and doesnt know how to adjust his stroke to various spins.

For me, I played a lot better once I started to mentally divide all incoming balls into the 7 different types of spin (clockwise sideunder+sidetop, anticlockwise sideunder+sidetop, heavy under, no spin, topspin), and then found the best ways to deal with each spin archetype on each single stroke. I memorised all these methods and trained them separately so that I knew precisely what to do when faced with a certain spin. If I missed consistently against a certain spin, I will go back to the drawing board to find better methods to deal with those balls and then train them. The important thing is to understand precisely why you missed - it is not just a matter of 'mentality', but often it is a spin misread or a footwork error (not getting to the correct position)

Otherwise what will happen is that opponent gives you a topspin, you loop it out so you start trying to press it down the next time but they gave you an underspin instead so it goes straight to the net, then they give you a sidespin which you miss the ball completely, etc... then you would simply not dare to do anything for fear of missing, and then lose the game.
I'm not at a level where I can critique a 1900 players game so what you're saying may or may not be correct but he doesn't ask anywhere in his post for help with his game, he expresses nerves anguish / anxiety that was so strong he didn't play any rated events for the next 8 months. Followed by the next tournament 8 mths later freezing up, only chopping, head numb, bad footwork all caused by pressure that he couldn't alleviate. Followed by another tournament disaster again, too much stress and worry.

Basically, it seems like he's getting good advice like yours and others from his coaching anyway but he can't translate it to ratings events because of mental issues
 
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I'm not at a level where I can critique a 1900 players game so what you're saying may or may not be correct but he doesn't ask anywhere in his post for help with his game, he expresses nerves anguish / anxiety that was so strong he didn't play any rated events for the next 8 months. Followed by the next tournament 8 mths later freezing up, only chopping, head numb, bad footwork all caused by pressure that he couldn't alleviate. Followed by another tournament disaster again, too much stress and worry.

Basically, it seems like he's getting good advice like yours and others from his coaching anyway but he can't translate it to ratings events because of mental issues
what I'm saying (and many others in this thread) is that the technique issues are the fundamental reasons behind his 'mental' issues. If anyone tried looping 10 times and they all miss inexplicably, wouldnt they be tentative and afraid too, resulting in just touching the ball?
 
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what I'm saying (and many others in this thread) is that the technique issues are the fundamental reasons behind his 'mental' issues. If anyone tried looping 10 times and they all miss inexplicably, wouldnt they be tentative and afraid too, resulting in just touching the ball?
His technique and ability to hit the ball well is fine (relatively anyway) in the training videos.
I'm on a limb here cos I'm not the OP and I'm kinda writing without knowing for sure but I took it to be that the issues you described are a result of the nerves. Remove the nerves, anxiety stress etc and he can play with the freedom he shows in the training vids.
I guess we're looking at it from opposite ends but since he says he has a coach and doesn't ask for advice on technique it seems to me people are tackling the wrong problem.
Or not, I could be wrong.
Guess we'll have to wait until he posts back
 
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His technique and ability to hit the ball well is fine (relatively anyway) in the training videos.
I'm on a limb here cos I'm not the OP and I'm kinda writing without knowing for sure but I took it to be that the issues you described are a result of the nerves. Remove the nerves, anxiety stress etc and he can play with the freedom he shows in the training vids.
I guess we're looking at it from opposite ends but since he says he has a coach and doesn't ask for advice on technique it seems to me people are tackling the wrong problem.
Or not, I could be wrong.
Guess we'll have to wait until he posts back
Yeah but the training vids are all against simple spins and balls, not more complex irregular balls and not in the context of matchplay. Tbh, he was attacking very confidently with his FH too in the match he was supposedly nervous in (which is indeed quite good), which shows that it wasnt so much of nerves. If he was identifying the incoming spin accurately, adjusting and landing his BH opening loops, would there even be a mental issue to begin with?

Also a lot of coaches like to drill basic technique but they don't teach a lot of these more advanced spin understanding because they think that the students arent ready (which is true in a sense, but you cant wait forever)
 
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Yeah but the training vids are all against simple spins and balls, not more complex irregular balls and not in the context of matchplay. Tbh, he was attacking very confidently with his FH too in the match he was supposedly nervous in (which is indeed quite good), which shows that it wasnt so much of nerves. If he was identifying the incoming spin accurately, adjusting and landing his BH opening loops, would there even be a mental issue to begin with?

Also a lot of coaches like to drill basic technique but they don't teach a lot of these more advanced spin understanding because they think that the students arent ready (which is true in a sense, but you cant wait forever)
To me this is one of the important differences between practice (well, most of it) and matchplay, and the danger of equating progress in training to tournament results. They ARE different - practice more often than not is about predictability, and why would your opponent give you predictable stuff at the tournament? It will become better, but slower (I've heard that it takes ~6 months to incorporate new 'stuff' into actual matches).

Sort of like a difference between the warm up and actual match :) ....
 
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To me this is one of the important differences between practice (well, most of it) and matchplay, and the danger of equating progress in training to tournament results. They ARE different - practice more often than not is about predictability, and why would your opponent give you predictable stuff at the tournament? It will become better, but slower (I've heard that it takes ~6 months to incorporate new 'stuff' into actual matches).

Sort of like a difference between the warm up and actual match :) ....
To be honest, I think in this case, it might have just been that the early success of OP led him to believe that table tennis is easier than it is. In reality, you can play well against higher level players and have significant gaps in your play that people can pick up on and exploit. One of the benefits of going through the lower levels step by step is that you deal with all kinds of play not just good play and learn to adapt and compete against it even as you get better. So the gaps in adapting to low quality balls and annoying styles are fewer. And even if you don't adapt to them, you have developed solutions to them with your game style as you got better, even with your holes, so you don't take the game styles or your holes personally.

In table tennis, the technical, psychological and tactical are hard to place hard lines around because you need to read the spin/placement and play fast enough and calm enough to approach the ball correctly and how easy or hard this is for you can be very context dependent. Some people experience the challenge and embrace it for what it is because they can put it in perspective. Unfortunately, this might not be the case with OP.

The OP should really post a full match of his, without any editing, and provide his commentary on it and what his coach said about it. It will give a better idea of what he really needs to address. What happens in between points is sometimes as important as what happens during the point, though you would never know that looking at some highlight videos.
 
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To me this is one of the important differences between practice (well, most of it) and matchplay, and the danger of equating progress in training to tournament results. They ARE different - practice more often than not is about predictability, and why would your opponent give you predictable stuff at the tournament? It will become better, but slower (I've heard that it takes ~6 months to incorporate new 'stuff' into actual matches).

Sort of like a difference between the warm up and actual match :) ....
Yep exactly. Also, what is practice? We need to have a much wider definition of practice other than topspin vs block which is only 1 out of like 100 scenarios that might happen in a match. In fact in some matchups, it just doesnt happen at all!

everything in TT starts with serve and serve receive, so that is a much more important area to focus practice on, because it will definitely be used in matches. So stuff like pushing and flicking, is in fact a lot more important than topspin vs block. Even for looping, it is far better to just train to loop against all 7 types of incoming spin to various locations for eg.... first. Then, after that you can train to recover fast and then loop the next ball (this is where topspin vs block training starts to bring benefits). If you cant even get past the 1st stage (ie landing the opening loop consistently), topspin vs block is absolutely useless.
 
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To provide a recent example I saw, an amateur penholder 木鱼 got 2 sets off Fang Yinchi (ex CNT national player) which rocked the Chinese amateur TT world (Fang Yinchi won 4-2 in the end). Guy didnt even have much of a BH. He also won a game against Li Ping (ex mixed doubles world champion) before ultimately losing 1-3.

So, what did he do which helped him succeed? It was ultimately all about serve and receive, because there was not a chance that he will win any of the topspin rallies against such a high level pro. Most points were from him going bananas and loopkilling all half-long and long serves on receive, and if the serve was short he would try to drop it short or give some disgusting spin balls. On serve he varied his spin and placement extremely well and then aimed to loopkill the 3rd ball without question.

So this is an example of how serve/receive can be a lot more important than rallying.
 
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what I'm saying (and many others in this thread) is that the technique issues are the fundamental reasons behind his 'mental' issues. If anyone tried looping 10 times and they all miss inexplicably, wouldnt they be tentative and afraid too, resulting in just touching the ball?
That's what Murakami has touched on after Paris 2024 about qualities that set CNT players apart. In Chinese, it's often referred to as 周旋能力, literally the ability to circle around, which is based upon 紥實的基本功/solid fundamentals.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-473809
――I feel that Chinese players have strong mental strength when they are on the brink, but is it more about technique than mental strength?

Murakami: People often say that it's a "mental difference," but there is no way to train only mental strength. You can only get better mentally if you surpass them in tactics and technique. First, train your defense and return the ball properly in any situation. I think that carrying that out is the most important thing. The other thing is to increase your tactical repertoire. For example, CNT players often serve in the final stages of a match in ways which they have been saving up until then, to induce mistakes in the receiving. Japanese players will also need to increase their hand.
 
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You are a good player, having a level difference between practice and competitive matches is entirely normal. You have to adapt your game to different environment, different opponents, different balls etc. Your opponents look for and target your lowest game, so how you defend against situations you are not practiced against often determines your level.

I think you want to control your results, you can't do that, you can only make or miss more shots. And that is entirely dependent on what you do to your game to adapt to new and unusual circumstances. You have done amazing work to progress as fast as you have already but I fear your obsession with results (as opposed to just trying to improve and reduce your mistakes by developing consistency under pressure) is going to keep you unhappy for a long time unless you change. While there are many things you can try, I would encourage you to work on your blocking and defensive and consistency game and to stop obsessing over the quality of the your attacks, you don't post one point where you are defending your opponents attacks well, makes me feel your focus is that you only play well when you attack. Getting free points with tricky serves, blocking opponent out of position, fishing and lobbing, tricky pushing etc. are all part of the game and important as well.
Thanks @NextLevel , I agree, one of the things that I love about L.A vs Argentina (at least my small town) is the amount of diverse players here, pen holder, leftie, pips, antispin, or a combo of all of that, you name it.
I feel much more comfortable on fast games where the opponent attack me, if the opponent has slow peace or switch peaces, or got pips, I get crazy...

I've readed that trying to control the result isn't good, as you said, but even having the "theory" I'm very competitive / obssesive / perfectionist, I need to "trust the process" not the "result" as I readed somewhere.

Good advice on working on blocking and defensive game, in fact I used to have a solid defense until I get obsessed with backhand, thats the only thing I mainly had in mind for the last 2 years.. even if I do other exercises with my coach as well.

My coach for example, he moves the player and build the point to attack on the 5 ball, one of my mistakes is that I want to close my serve on the 3rd ball, like you said, trying to attack all the time, is crazy how my coach (or a chinese kid in the tournament) beat me only by having a great placement.

I remember last year, I was playing a tournament, and found that the opponent liked my style, he was countering everything, so at one point I found short serve underspin to the forehand was tricky for him, I did all the game, won 3-0 with a feeling of "meh I don't like to win like this..", after the game, he told me "you are very smart"

Thanks for the advice, appreciate it!
Don’t forget that 1/2 of the game is in your head. I think it sounds you already gave up. When I get agitated or disturbed I can loose to almost anybody. And when my head is on and I have a good self confidence I surprise myself. Don’t put yourself down it’s just a game. I am struggling a lot with this myself….

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Indeed @Lazer , I think I went obsessed trying to always be progressing, and lately I've found that you can be 2 months without "progress" until something clicks and you level up, couple of weeks after you can feel the same, and then up again.
As you said, I need to look as it is (at least for me), a hobby / game.
Cheers!
You are another person in rated games, too hesitant on strokes. Rubbers don't work well without adequate sponge engagement. There is too much focus on winning games when you should be focusing on playing the game. If you play well, victory will be natural.

@TackyForehand coudln't agree more, I feel like I have 2 players inside me. On that game I posted, I made the mistake of boosting the d90c before taking to the trash, and it was a horrible mistake, bounce was super high and I didn't had any control, but I've also didn't had time to put new rubbers before the tournament.
1890 is a strong rating, many players would be happy to be 1890, right now, that is about my current rating. A decade ago, I think it took me about 3 years to get to 1900 and about 4 to get to 2000 and I suspect it is harder now than it was when I did it 10 years ago, as I did in an environment where I could play tournaments almost every weekend. At 1800, you are a serious player, most players will have to do something to beat you.

You play really well, don't let your rating and results depress you, find what you enjoy in the sport, but it cannot be something you do not control like your rating - it has to be something about how you enjoy playing. Me nowadays, I enjoy playing controlled topspins and rallying with controlled topspins, even when it isn't always my best game, so I take more risks to play controlled topspins even when it is not what I should do. I used to be miserable about breaking 2000 because I was trying to do it because someone else did it, but what everyone told me was that I had the playing level, but not the mindset.

The main thing that helped me at that time was playing a competitive league every single week, sometimes even two leagues. When I broke 2000 in both leagues, I broke 2000 USATT about 3 months later. In the leagues, I learned to stop caring too much about the result and just to play my best game. So what you probably should look for is a situation where you can play without putting so much pressure on yourself and learn from results. Good leagues at good clubs are good practice tests, similar to taking a prep test for a standardized exam.
@NextLevel I think my biggest mistake was, last year I said "ok, I've reached 1890, next year I need to get 2000, from there, I always lost, probably due to overthinking the rating and the result, but I know there's a big difference between 1600-1900, and getting into 2000, and staying there, or like my coach says "a solid 2000).

Good advice on the style, I played on San Diego vs a pen holder that wasn't attacking like crazy, but he was super consistent and moderate attack but well placed, I think my style hasn't fully developed yet, for example I play close to the table but never tried getting back, I'm pretty new in the field so probably some years more will follow until I find myself on what I do better.

There's a league here but is like 1 hour drive, I might need to do the effort because is a good advice, thanks again!
It's good to take a step back and see TT for what it is, a fun hobby, and the competition is just that - as long as you play your shots and have fun that should be enough.

On the technical side, I feel like the tentativeness (esp on BH side) has some reasons. In training it looks good because the incoming ball is not irregular (you train a lot against simple topspin) and has decent pace, and you can borrow the speed. But that is actually deceptive to progress because similar to FH, the modern BH stroke cant be played with the arm - both backswing and forward swing needs to come a lot more from the hips and body. Right now, your upper body (looking at your core) is completely static during training. In training against topspin, this issue may not really manifest itself but in serious matches where there are a ton of irregular balls, without body involvement it is simply a bit too much work for the arm to adjust.

Great advice @blahness yes, the only thing that I think of under pressure is about my bh stroke, wich makes it worst instead of letting my body go, I agree 100% on the irregular balls too, I'll tell my coach to do some multiball with variations so I can get more used to it.
Will focus more on using the hip too, I know one of my biggest mistakes is using way too much arm, appreciate it!
This is YOU having fun playing TT.
Everything else is of secondary importance.
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what I'm saying (and many others in this thread) is that the technique issues are the fundamental reasons behind his 'mental' issues. If anyone tried looping 10 times and they all miss inexplicably, wouldnt they be tentative and afraid too, resulting in just touching the ball?

A really informative thread turned into an indepensable one for me when you started to turn the topic towards this idea (that technique and mentality issues are often two sides of the same coin).

We feel great and our shots look amazing against the type of balls we're accustomed to, and then build a mental picture ourselves as being much better than we are at all times. Often times this is predictable drill training balls.

Other times it's playing against a player that we always play against and we can be loose and comfortable since gameplay eventually falls into comfortable patterns.

I've recently joined a club where everybody apparently plays significantly better than me. But I've actually been able to win a lot of games against the lower level players (who are still generally better than me) because I noticed they try to play the same game against me as their buddies, and they're making a ton of errors against me because I just am a lot less predictable when it comes to serve and spin variation. As a result they will get frustrated and give up after 2 games against me and then go play their friend for 7 games because it's much more fun to make most of your shots and have longer rallies. There's nothing wrong with spending your free time having fun rather than being frustrated, but that's a good way to hold back your skill development.

For a year or more and up until a few months ago, I was feeling similar frustration. Despite having "proof" of good looking technique in my filmed training drills, I was getting wrecked by players with junky balls. But I realized that those junky balls were actually the difficult balls because I had no experience with them. For example, I never drill floating backspin balls deep to my BH, so why would I expect to kill the ball simply because it's high?

The actual "junk"balls my opponent gives me are medium power and flat shots that might look fast and impressive to a casual spectator but is so predictable for my personal skill set and experience that it's actually easier for me handle than a slower and higher ball with spin.

I stopped being so tense and enjoyed myself more when I realized that there was a technique, skill, or experience based reason why I was missing a shot. If I miss a shot, I don't automatically think "how could I miss that?" but I'll just try to figure out exactly what the technique issue is. Usually it's hitting too early or rushing to the ball. Other times it's poor body position. Many times it's just taking my eyes off the ball before contact too early.

Analyzing it that way, I realize that many of these mistakes happen when the ball behaves unpredictably. So instead of thinking that I have a "weak mentality" I've come to understand it as having a limited amount of focus.

With predictable balls, your mind is not burdened by worrying how the ball will bounce or what spin is on the ball. So your body just instinctually knows what to do.

With unpredictable balls, your mind is expending mental focus trying to figure out what's going on and it causes a disconnect with your body. So timing, body positioning, form, etc are compromised.

Knowing that your opponent did something to the ball to compromise me in those ways means I don't beat myself up over it. I also make a mental note that I need to practice more against shots like that. So it becomes an opportunity to learn.

For me, the mental game isn't what caused a miss since there are technical explanations for that. Mental game is now more about preventing frustration, and realizing exactly why I missed the shot actually helps in that.
 
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"""""I feel that Chinese players have strong mental strength when they are on the brink,"""""""

Hhmmm. I have seen top chinese players wobble horribly and the fail when they were on the brink.

One should be careful not to generalize.
Japanese is a high-context language and culture (heavily influenced by and so similar to Chinese), so words are often skipped and meaning is implied. Hence, rather than generalization, the phrase "Chinese players" is implied to mean the top Chinese players, in this case SYS, CM and WMY.
 
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I would stay away from tournaments and just focus on training.
work on certain basics that you struggle with and just get the momentum going.

you need to have some fun and tournaments are stressful and not fun when you are loosing.
Its easy to say think positively, but if you can't, then stay away from it, as table tennis isn't only about tournaments.

you named some issues, so work on it and hopefully that would help
 
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That's what Murakami has touched on after Paris 2024 about qualities that set CNT players apart. In Chinese, it's often referred to as 周旋能力, literally the ability to circle around, which is based upon 紥實的基本功/solid fundamentals.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-473809
That's what Fang Bo said when people asked about LGY's collapses vs LJK's excellence in tight games. He said the issue isn't mental, it's primarily technique. LGY uses a fast, direct, close to the table technique that's not very error tolerant, while LJK uses all his power (FB thinks he's the most powerful in the CNT) to generate spin which creates safety. Everyone gets a bit nervous in important games. LGY's shots are awe-inspiring when he lands them and allows him to beat anyone when he's on, but they're much more affected by small perturbations which might happen when you're tired, stressed, and nervous while LJK's technique can handle these perturbations much better.
 
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That's what Fang Bo said when people asked about LGY's collapses vs LJK's excellence in tight games. He said the issue isn't mental, it's primarily technique. LGY uses a fast, direct, close to the table technique that's not very error tolerant, while LJK uses all his power (FB thinks he's the most powerful in the CNT) to generate spin which creates safety. Everyone gets a bit nervous in important games. LGY's shots are awe-inspiring when he lands them and allows him to beat anyone when he's on, but they're much more affected by small perturbations which might happen when you're tired, stressed, and nervous while LJK's technique can handle these perturbations much better.
Yep and everyone blamed Ma Long for mental problems for losing 3 straight WTTC to Wang Hao when it was really his BH that let him down big time. After he completely overhauled his BH game and switched to Hurricane on BH to get better spin/control, he became the dominant GOAT.
 
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I think mental strength is part of the rating. OP must accept that fact.

One of my (french) team mates, lets call him E. has clearly mental problems.
How can i be sure about that and his losses are not attributable to other problems ?
well anyone can improve technically for sure but here are some hints:

1) CHOKE
it happened quite a few times that E. lost to players that 95%+ of the time he beats in practice matches. But he would lose them in the important competition... and back to winning again in the next practice session.

2) FEAR
his hand starts to shiver before serving. and he misses his serves, especially in tight moments or game 5

3) FRUSTATION
he starts to scream again himself ("I'm playing terrible !" "i always suck" "hes too lucky I'm never lucky" etc...)... actually he's the ONLY player that i see doing that during competitions ! OTOH Japanese players are quite composed.

4) LOSS OF FOCUS
ask him after the match about what he did or the opponent did, he can't answer, its like a blackhole.
(but its also maybe a lack of tactical awareness)

Another typical loss of focus symptom is when you make a game plan, before the match or between sets like
(at 9-9 i will serve short to his FH)
(i will never push long to his BH whatever ball comes)
and not being able to stick to the plan because you "forgot" about it.

5) STRESS
body, arm , wrist become a bit stiff

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as for OP
he must be also honest with himself and identify (with his coaches) the main reasons for his losses.

its not possible to read in the mind of OP just looking at the videos, but apart from the last game where i could feel some frustration, i felt he wasn't a player facing some particularly big mental problems. Nobody of us is perfect at this and we can all improve at it. But i will stick to the analysis of his technical problems to explain 85%+ of his defeat.

It is important to acknowledge one's issues to make further progress. Just thinking you should win against a given opponent and you just lost because of mental problems may be a bit condescending attitude, and underestimating the opponent while overestimating oneself.

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as for me, like everyone else i have experienced all of the above issues, but i don't think im a mentally weak player. Ive had some weak games, some great games, I could even say I'm probably above average in some respect, because contrarily to E. , Ive beaten in competition quite a few players that i nearly always lose or have a terrible percentage against in practice matches.

and more importantly for me, just this summer at World Masters, the most "important" tournament of my life perhaps ? - despite having an injury and quite bad results recently, i performed perhaps my best ever...

How do i do it ? I had an answer for all 5 points above

1 NO CHOKE: focus point by point
2 NO FEAR : self belief always. I pump myself between points, use loud CHOOO a lot. always repeat between points
"i'm playing very well" even if i don't...
3 NO FRUSTRATION: luck is part of the game if the opponent has it. I've been down in all matches that I won.
it helps me to say "he played well this point, but I'm still in the match i can beat him"
4 FOCUS: take a lot of time between points and think about the next point
Energy drinks like Redbull help me a lot too
5 REDUCE STRESS with some routines. deep breath. But also tightening my fist a few seconds and then release it. this helps to relax the wrist and arm muscles.

tbh all of this is very demanding. Thats why i don't apply it systematically in practice matches. and have worse results. Its also a reason why its been difficult for me to do 2 or 3 good matches in a row. at World Masters, being able to win my group with 3 very good matches in a row was something really great for me.

Each of us must find ways

One of my coaches said that in money time, he only serves no spin. because with the stress its easier to miss a backspin serve and make a serve miss or for the serve to pop up too high without actual spin, while the no spin serve is easier to control.

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no one is born mentally weak or strong and needs to stay like that forever. there are methods to train our mental attitude. As for TT, part of the process for getting stronger mentally is playing more competitions IMO.
 
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Japanese is a high-context language and culture (heavily influenced by and so similar to Chinese), so words are often skipped and meaning is implied. Hence, rather than generalization, the phrase "Chinese players" is implied to mean the top Chinese players, in this case SYS, CM and WMY.
I understood that and it is why i replied by saying """Top Chinese players"""" 😂
 
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