TB ALC vs. TB Spirit... What's the difference?

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Hmmm.. guys a little help here?

Almost every review that I've been reading.. they are always saying that TB spirit is almost the same with TB ALC in terms of speed and control... But I was just wondering but not criticizing.. why would they even make a new blade if it's almost the same as they're previous product??.... I hope the reviews that I've just read was half-true.. but not entirely true.. :))
 
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they also mention something about the handle being 1 or 2 cm(?) longer,so that the weight is distributed evenly.i dont buy it,though.

I think it is just another marketing ploy of butterfly,worth around 20 dollars or more.

Hmmm. so it's almost a 1k Philippine peso here.. a little big difference already between prices
 
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This is BTY way of innovation. If we look at it from afar, we see the fail in it, and are not willing to fall for it.

However, in real life, BTY has found a way to entice people to buy the stuff anyway... in ever-increasing numbers.

BTY has either mastered the art of bullcraping large numbers of TT peoples, or are at least in the forefront, that is the true gage of successful business operations.

In business, to get more sales (where the product NORMALLY has a very long life... like uh say BLADES!) companies must "innovate" and come up with new ways to get people to buy again, hopefully at higher prices.

The options any company has in general (any industry) is to do this to make more profit... (assuming a mature market)

1) Make the product better, improve it somehow

BTY generally has great quality products, but obviously the ALC isn't a juggernaut of class improvement over the already outstanding TBS

2) Make the same products less expensive, then sell more of them to in the end make a little more money.

It is obvious this isn't BTY's strategic option of choice, right?

3) Make a totally new product that no other outfit is or can make and get it to the market

This is where innovation comes in. If you look at the long history of any outfit, you will see over time what is going on. Gergely, Viscaria, TBS, Korbel, Primorac, Grubba, and a couple of the new materials... these are obvious no-crap examples of where BTY actually innovated and made some great stuff... AND got it to market... AND got it accepted... in numbers.

A company should be allowed to innovate and take the rewards for the business risk. As much as I and many forumers make fun of BTY's envious position in the market that enables them to command prices that make no sense... even a jealous idiot can see BTY has done more than its share of innovation over the years, prolly more than its competitors.

When a company CANNOT or chooses to NOT go for any of the obvious 3 ways of product strategy... all that is left is to use smoke and mirror bullcrap con-artist methods. BTY is NOT alone in this, EVERY industry does this. BTY has a strong position in the market and market perception of its brand (supported by the great products they have made over the years)

Here are the common ones used...

1) Hire a pro or someone totally un-related to the industry and NOT an expert, but has a really attractive figure and say a lot of great and false stuff about the product to make it look like it is the "thing" to buy

2) Make minor changes or very superficial ones and re-market it as innovation, use your strong market position to support your company's launch and continued sales

3) Hire a bunch of under-paid grassroots people and bloggers to glorify the company's products online.

4) The most common used and it comes from the pagebook of number ONE. Simply TELL the customers this is good stuff and they need it and MUST buy it.

5) Pay of the regulators of the industry and get rules put in place that greatly favor your business operation.

Ironically, this is used the most often at the high levels of big business. Ironically, this is the EXACT same method large pharmaceutical companies have used for YEARS as well as in my own USA agricultural industry where a giant pesticide company can lawfully poison the crops over and over, and at the end of the day get people to love it.

In TT, there have been so many outfits who have already re-written the book so many times, it is difficult (but not totally impossible) to write it again in a way no one has yet seen, so it is natural for TT companies to re-brand their stuff to "churn" sales.

For the USA market, the only REAL key to growth is to increase participation in the sport with leagues, even if they are newbie social leagues, these players will want to get better, or at least feel that way buy buying pro equipment. Ikea has a marketing slogan something like "It's a big city, SOMEONE has got to furnish it" and such a method can work even if there are already the number of outfits it takes to saturate the market.

Developing and growing the market is an obvious long term strategy a lot of outfits do well or fail at and it is the telling indicator of their present and future.
 
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The handles have somewhat different shape and the weight distribution is a little different. Also, the newer blades like TB-ALC have treated the top of the wood with something that makes it seem a little harder and shinier -- it could just be UV light or something. The blades are very similar as people here have said, but it is possible to have a preference for one over the other. There is no reason why one should cost more, that is just Btfly marketing stuff. You can add the ZJK-ALC into the mix, which is a very nice blade, same basic idea, and costs even more. I keep with my Viscarias, though.
 
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Hmmm. so it's almost a 1k Philippine peso here.. a little big difference already between prices
No difference really. Thats looking at it on paper at least.
If you actually tried them both with multiple samples you can feel some differences:
1. TB Spirit tends to be ABIT more head heavy. JUST A TEENY BIT. Not all of them are though. There was this perfect sample I tried from a British National. That thing must have been cherry picked. It was an Old BTY badged one.
2. TB ALC tends to feel harder. No idea why. Almost all of them are.
3. TB ALC have more weird samples that simply feels.....dead. No idea why, but nearly half the samples I've tried (4 out of 8, including 1 that I bought), feels stiff and dead. TBS on the other hand, have a much better feel on average (out of 5 samples).
4. Old badge TBS has a better feel than new Alu badged samples of both blades.
5. TBALC feels heavier on average. Not sure if this is accurate though. Most of the samples of both blades I tried has 2 face T05 on them.

My verdict? If the price makes a big difference for you, go for the TBS. It might not look that nice, but it is on average, a blade with a better feel. Also any downside to it shouldn't justify that price gap.
 
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The handles have somewhat different shape and the weight distribution is a little different. Also, the newer blades like TB-ALC have treated the top of the wood with something that makes it seem a little harder and shinier -- it could just be UV light or something. The blades are very similar as people here have said, but it is possible to have a preference for one over the other. There is no reason why one should cost more, that is just Btfly marketing stuff. You can add the ZJK-ALC into the mix, which is a very nice blade, same basic idea, and costs even more. I keep with my Viscarias, though.
Thats because the 2nd generation ALC blades, the TBS (TB ALC) and M.Maze, are all derived from Viscaria, thus they all feel very similar. The ZJK is basically Viscaria with a fancy dragon paintjob and a fancy handle. IMHO its harder to find good samples of it than from a batch of Viscarias. Not sure about the new ZJK ALC though. Never tried it.
 
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I thought ZJK Dragon blade was the worst ALC blade Btfly ever made. It had bad weight balance and felt hollow. Kind of like a really really bad Viscaria. The ZJK-ALC I am talking about is the newer one, for some reason much better. Well, anyway, that's what I think. I have owned all of these blades, TBS, TB-ALC, ZJK dragon, ZJK-ALC (newer one) and about ten Viscarias over the years. I try these others for a few times and then end up selling them because they are not ideal and coming back to my Viscaria (especially my black tag one). At the end of the day I suppose it's what you like best, so some people probably like other stuff better. To me the handle and weight distribution are really important, so even thought all these blades are similar (and Maze too), they suit different people.

(Actually the Viscaria is a second generation blade. Before that there was the Keyshot).
 
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The materials (wood and carbon) are same. Only difference is the thickness of the wood and carbon layers.

For TBS, the carbon layers are closer to the outside.

For ALC, the carbon layer is closer to the core, hence a bit slower and better control.

Not that TBS lacks control. Both are awesome blades. You can choose whatever you want. And yes from TBS to ALC it is hardly any upgrade unless you have some extra bucks to spare.

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Well in my experience the ALC had a slightly harder feel to it, but just slightly.

I was planning on getting a Timo Boll ALC as an upgrade for the Spirit but my coach told me he did the same but it was not worth the 30 extra euros. So I bought a ZLF and I hated it so now Im just playing with this budget blade. at the end of the season I will get a new Spririt.
 
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I thought ZJK Dragon blade was the worst ALC blade Btfly ever made. It had bad weight balance and felt hollow. Kind of like a really really bad Viscaria. The ZJK-ALC I am talking about is the newer one, for some reason much better. Well, anyway, that's what I think. I have owned all of these blades, TBS, TB-ALC, ZJK dragon, ZJK-ALC (newer one) and about ten Viscarias over the years. I try these others for a few times and then end up selling them because they are not ideal and coming back to my Viscaria (especially my black tag one). At the end of the day I suppose it's what you like best, so some people probably like other stuff better. To me the handle and weight distribution are really important, so even thought all these blades are similar (and Maze too), they suit different people.

(Actually the Viscaria is a second generation blade. Before that there was the Keyshot).

Actually Keyshot was Arylate Fibre IIRC.
I think Viscaria, KLH-S and Cofferlait was the 1st gen Arylate Carbon.....
 
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I have to disagree with Baal though (!).

I have a ZJK Dragon, and on a blind test, it is like my Viscaria (power, speed, throw), but softer. And I prefer the handle, as it's slightly thicker than the Viscaria.

But I play with MMaze as I really prefer Limba outer layers.
 
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Is it possible for a TBS, silver tag, to weight around 100g? :O

After I get done with it, I can make that sucka weigh what you want, even if it is 120 grams!

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?9048-Re-Building-the-BEAST

Still, I think a 15 gram increase down low is JUST RIGHT for many hollow handle blades. That is why putting on even 5-8 grams worth of grip tape improves the feel and balance noticeably.

The best blade I ever hit with was the nexy Calix II I did this mod to adding only 10 grams. Blade was already nice impact feel like TBS, but was a tad slower. After the mod, it played like an older heavy TBS, but better.

If you got some courage, give it a try. I think the blade handle is hollow, cant remember if the throat neck was hollow, I don't think that part is.
 
what differences could you describe or discuss between TB alc and TBS?

The blades are clones and are playing the same : http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/48/1417113564-tbalctbs.jpg
The handle, tickness, composition, balance........all the same.

Just go for the cheaper one and save bucks.

Any diffenrences than can be said between those two blades are just the result of the diffenrences between two TBalc or two TBS.

I've played with more powerfull TBS/TBalc than my TBS/TBalc, I have played with less powerfull TBS/TBalc than my TBS/TBalc.
Fortunately i got my blades selected by a chinese player/coach, so my blades realy are playing the same in all aspects.

Note that he has tried like 10+ TBalc in order to find one that plays same as my 1st one.......in the end it was a TBS that was playing the same as my 1st TB alc.
 
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