United States Smash 2025, Las Vegas, 7/3-13

[pongfugrasshopper]

By the same token, Odo is only good for doubles. Don't you think? This doesn't bode well for Odo compared to Hirano because she has to convince the Japanese public that she can take on the burden if she were to replace Hirano.

So far the only real result (against non-teammates) she has is the WTTC XD silver, which many Tieba users have expressed is thanks to Yoshimura. She has nothing to show for WS/WD/WT.

Satsuki doesn't have to convince anybody of anything. Her career is her own and not diminished by any comparison to Hirano. A year or so ago, she had no ranking and most fans had no idea who she was. She earned her way to top 10 in the world. And not only her top 8 results, but look at the points she has in reserves. Whether she makes it to the Olympics or not, her story is pretty amazing on its own.

 

[USAer]

Just staying in your hotel or on the Strip can make Las Vegas really expensive. A way out is to use Yelp or a similar service to find quality food nearby and take a taxi there. The same works for supplies and a supermarket. A couple of miles from the Strip, Las Vegas turns pretty normal and there is good stuff to be found.

 

[zeio]

Feel free to convince the CNT and those around. They don't see Hayata as a threat. They're projecting 3 years from now. Hayata keeping Miwa at bay is what they are glad to see. So you're actually supporting them by cheering on Hayata.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/wtt-finals-fukuoka-2024-11-20-24.35221/post-498423

A Tieba thread on that popped up after Miwa's loss.

如果日女肯让球的话，国乒是不是更艰难。 (If the Japanese women are willing to take team orders, wouldn't it be more difficult for the CNT?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9863218273
右鞋左穿DSSQJ 就像去年蒙彼利埃，大藤赢了张本，张本差一脚就进前4，因为拿不到种子位，后面老被做签给曼昱，不是倒在16强就是倒在8强，导致更拿不到积分。日女不让球抬个世排前4出来，以后永远被做签
IP属地:湖北来自iPhone客户端1楼2025-07-11 14:53回复
(Just like last year in Montpellier, Odo beat Harimoto, and Harimoto was just one step away from reaching the top 4. Because she couldn't get a seeding position, she was always fixed to Manyu, and she either fell in the R16 or the QF, which resulted in even less points. If the Japanese women's team doesn't let the top 4 of the world rankings come out, they will always be rigged)

蒯曼（努力上桌） 她们是俱乐部制度，注定心都不齐，主教练没有做主的权利，一盘散沙
IP属地:辽宁来自Android客户端2楼2025-07-11 14:57回复
(They are a club system, destined to be divided, the head coach has no right to make decisions, nothing but disunity)

江离0514 不可能的，小盒自己说，她们竞争非常激烈，她也想放假，但是，为了排位还是都去了
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端5楼2025-07-11 15:05回复
(Impossible, Little Carton said, their competition is very fierce, and she also wants to take a vacation, but she has to go to secure ranking)

宝宝金水 日女不可能让球的。美和最近的采访不是说了吗，大小比赛一站不落都要打，就是队友们排名竞争很激烈，怕分分钟被挤下去没比赛打了
IP属地:广东9楼2025-07-11 15:43回复
(The Japanese women can't possibly take team orders. Didn't Miwa say in a recent interview that she must play in all competitions, big and small, because the competition among her teammates for the ranking is very fierce, and she is afraid that she would be squeezed out and have no competitions to play)

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

A Tieba thread on that popped up after Miwa's loss.

如果日女肯让球的话，国乒是不是更艰难。 (If the Japanese women are willing to take team orders, wouldn't it be more difficult for the CNT?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9863218273
右鞋左穿DSSQJ 就像去年蒙彼利埃，大藤赢了张本，张本差一脚就进前4，因为拿不到种子位，后面老被做签给曼昱，不是倒在16强就是倒在8强，导致更拿不到积分。日女不让球抬个世排前4出来，以后永远被做签
IP属地:湖北来自iPhone客户端1楼2025-07-11 14:53回复
(Just like last year in Montpellier, Odo beat Harimoto, and Harimoto was just one step away from reaching the top 4. Because she couldn't get a seeding position, she was always fixed to Manyu, and she either fell in the R16 or the QF, which resulted in even less points. If the Japanese women's team doesn't let the top 4 of the world rankings come out, they will always be rigged)

蒯曼（努力上桌） 她们是俱乐部制度，注定心都不齐，主教练没有做主的权利，一盘散沙
IP属地:辽宁来自Android客户端2楼2025-07-11 14:57回复
(They are a club system, destined to be divided, the head coach has no right to make decisions, nothing but disunity)

江离0514 不可能的，小盒自己说，她们竞争非常激烈，她也想放假，但是，为了排位还是都去了
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端5楼2025-07-11 15:05回复
(Impossible, Little Carton said, their competition is very fierce, and she also wants to take a vacation, but she has to go to secure ranking)

宝宝金水 日女不可能让球的。美和最近的采访不是说了吗，大小比赛一站不落都要打，就是队友们排名竞争很激烈，怕分分钟被挤下去没比赛打了
IP属地:广东9楼2025-07-11 15:43回复
(The Japanese women can't possibly take team orders. Didn't Miwa say in a recent interview that she must play in all competitions, big and small, because the competition among her teammates for the ranking is very fierce, and she is afraid that she would be squeezed out and have no competitions to play)

i thought you argue your butt off that Japan is a national team system?

and look at some CNT players, squeezed out too and have no competition to play - because they follow the national team system.

So easy to reverse your message and there is lots of truth behind my message too.
CNT, JNT, each have they problems leading to the same result.

 

[dewnyc]

It's pretty ridiculous compared to those on the East Coast and Macau. Macau actually provides free drinks and quality refreshments.

In the Vegas casinos, drinks are free for people who are actively gambling but that is to get them to lose more money.

A travel hack for getting free water is by refilling bottles using water coolers in the hotels' gyms, at least in the US. I wonder if any players know or do that.

 

[Novarac23]

If anyone is going to events tomorrow/Sunday shoot me a message and maybe we can grab food or play table tennis after / before!

Im hoping to visit the club in Vegas on Sunday (probably as early as possible because its going to be toasty), so if anyone is interested we can play!

 

[dewnyc]

@zeio : everybody leaves Las Vegas with an empty wallet. It's the game.

Nicknamed "Lost Wages"

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

the city was not built on winners

 

[NextLevel]

I've heard this before from those who argue that ML is the GOAT. Yet, as ML has finally put it to rest, he can't accept that title.

Hirano's achievements have to be viewed collectively because they were all done in close succession at such a young age, which no one has replicated to this day. FTW at World Cup 2016, DN/ZYL/CM at ATTC 2017 and FTW again at WTTC 2017.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...s-incheon-03-27-03-31-korea.33316/post-450541


https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-478856

Even Jordan doesn't call himself the GOAT. ML not accepting the title is the usual modesty of anyone not named Muhammed Ali. Rules change, times change, contexts change, so you are usually the greatest of your era.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Even Jordan doesn't call himself the GOAT. ML not accepting the title is the usual modesty of anyone not named Muhammed Ali. Rules change, times change, contexts change, so you are usually the greatest of your era.

I think some people just don't understand the meaning of humbleness.
not accepting GOAT is indeed modesty.
and Japanese players are culturally humble too. They will reflect themselves, and then some people take it as announcing self-flaws.
I guess this is a clear cultural differences, but I know most countries do have traits of modesty, so maybe this is just certain people or maybe making use of it for certain narratives.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

the city was not built on winners

if Vegas made every millionaires, then those tieba users will laugh at how vegas is a failure
you simply just can't win

 

[zeio]

Even Jordan doesn't call himself the GOAT. ML not accepting the title is the usual modesty of anyone not named Muhammed Ali. Rules change, times change, contexts change, so you are usually the greatest of your era.

And remember how you ridiculed that here, here and so on? Also with rainneverever here and here.

p.s.
rainneverever even lied right in my face in an attempt to win the argument.

 

[dewnyc]

Back to the crime scene for Alexis with the first match of the day on t2, in men's doubles

 

[NextLevel]

And remember how you ridiculed that here, here and so on? Also with rainneverever here and here.

p.s.
rainneverever even lied right in my face in an attempt to win the argument.If asking

I know infallible people consider asking questions to be "ridiculing" but you can ask ChatGPT if that is the only way to interpret such statements. I ask questions to understand what is really driving the thought process because if someone really believes you can't compare across eras, can they define the eras it is reasonable to compare across? Or are they just doing it to say anyone doing it is wasting time?

In reality, all these things come down to judgment, and the main point is that Ma Long is being modest, and that modest greats give historical context and the travails of their peers as limitations of calling them the greatest ever even when they are by statistical counting methods. That isn't the same thing as saying that they really don't believe it, or that someone can't come up with their own weightings or use polls. I know people who believe all GOAT debates are rubbish. I know people who think statistical and contextual adjustments can get you to the answer. Both are reasonable positions with all their limitations. I ask questions to understand how people think, and it is always fun to deal with the people who pretend they can never have limitations.

 

[dewnyc]

Lebruns beat WCQ & LJK 3-0 to reach the final
Hina up 2-0 on Chen Yi

 

[zeio]

WS QF
CY 4-3 Hayata (9) (-6, -9, -5, 9, 7, 2, 9)
CY kept hitting to Hayata's FH rather than her BH and kept getting her shots anticipated because she hit with so much pace that the shots landed in Hayata's ideal range. She didn't start hitting to Hayata's BH consistently until late G4 and the moment she did that on the crucial points she got that game.
CY is getting the hang of it in G5, hitting more to Hayata's BH and middle on the crucial points.
From Hayata's facial expression in G6, the painkiller is wearing off, making tons of misses. Can't hide it.
Hayata must be in a lot of pain. Couldn't make a proper stroke on the shot to her middle at 1:4.
Deja vu of R16 match between Hayata and CIC at World Cup 2025. Poor Harimoto, if it were bo7, she would've exposed Hayata's "disability".

 

[NextLevel]

Hayata is sowing the seeds of her destruction. Overhitting, not moving or creating angles, not accepting that her opponent is playing better and that the match has changed...

 

[vvk1]

Hayata looks like she's playing with a rapidly progressing wrist injury... Not good.

 

[TableTennisDaily]

Darko Jorgic ripping backhands:

 

[dewnyc]

What a change. Now going to a deciding 7th game.