US Ratings to UK

[NDH]

In France, 2000+ players all contest in the national leagues, Pro A and Pro B being the place for 2500+ players. Be aware that what you see on Youtube is slower compared to what you would see 1m away from the table.

2000 French rating or the equivalent of 2000 US?

Because 2000 US, whilst solid.... Is a LONG way away from national leagues (assuming national means very, very, very good).

 

[Grumms]

2000 French rating or the equivalent of 2000 US?

Because 2000 US, whilst solid.... Is a LONG way away from national leagues (assuming national means very, very, very good).

2000 French. It is the top 0,5% of the players, the top 1000 of France. I think we can assume it is very good. National league in France is as follows :

• Pro A and Pro B, with professional teams/players, with a lot of foreign players (Freitas, Pitchford, Lind,...), and some of the best french players (Felix and Alexis)
  • Pro A is 10 teams large with 3 players => 30 players (more because there are always substitute)
  • Pro B is 12 teams large with 3 players => 36 players
• National 1 to 3. Each division is composed of a certain number of round robin :
  • 4 for N1, with 8 teams in each => 128 players
  • 8 for N2, with 8 teams in each => 256 players
  • 16 for N3, with 8 teams in each => 512 players

I think you could download the FFTT app on your smartphone if your interested in seeing the ranking of the best players. You'll notice that, when we reach the very best in France, the ranking values are erratic, and with huge differences between players (Felix is 4200 while Lebesson, who is n°22 is "only 3300).

 

[Grumms]

Here is the ranking pyramid in the UK, ranking on the abscissa and number of players on the ordinate. We can see that the ranking system is pretty poorly conceived, because it has as many ranking for the best 97 players as for the 7748 weakest. 100 rating must be very heterogenous and pretty useless, half of the players having that rating.

It would be nice to have the same data for USA.

 

[Grumms]

Maybe a hint in the thread :

https://www.reddit.com/r/tabletennis/comments/191dyvx

And in the UK :

Now you can determine approximatively what would be your rating in the USA. 1000 in the UK would be near 2100 in the USA, assuming that the level of the players is equally shared in both countries.

 

[Grumms]

I can't do better than that :

USA ranking is better conceived than the UK one, the median rating is near the average rating.

2000 French rating or the equivalent of 2000 US?

Because 2000 US, whilst solid.... Is a LONG way away from national leagues (assuming national means very, very, very good).

You're right, 2000 US is far from national level. I'm regional level and I would be around 2200 USATT. French national level is more 2600 USATT.

 

[banbekas]

My rating is 1769, I think.

 

[Grumms]

My rating is 1769, I think.

In which country ?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I can't do better than that :

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USA ranking is better conceived than the UK one, the median rating is near the average rating.



You're right, 2000 US is far from national level. I'm regional level and I would be around 2200 USATT. French national level is more 2600 USATT.

USATT 2600 isn't that high and won't be able to survive in many top leagues
That is why I think USATT high level is too limited point range

 

[Grumms]

USATT 2600 isn't that high and won't be able to survive in many top leagues
That is why I think USATT high level is too limited point range

From a certain level, USATT rating should be told by tenth instead of hundredth (2610, 2620, etc..., with a 2680 player being way stronger than a 2600).

 

[JJ Ng]

I can't do better than that :

View attachment 31978

USA ranking is better conceived than the UK one, the median rating is near the average rating.



You're right, 2000 US is far from national level. I'm regional level and I would be around 2200 USATT. French national level is more 2600 USATT.

I think the chart looks very very good!

I studied in England in the 1998-1999 academic year. The overall playing level was better back then in England as opposed to the US (and I suspect that is still the case). However, I only played at the University club and against other University teams so I had not much an idea about the general playing level in the various local leagues but I suspect the level of playing there was pretty high. We did have a town v.s. gown match and most players did not take it too seriously (meaning many higher level players did not show up). I think I played the third position and the university team got destroyed!

I like the USATT system just fine. From level 1000 to 2000, that's where majority of the serious players reside in that range and I am glad that range is pretty wide so you can advance by 50 or 100 points in that 1000 to 2000 level and see incremental improvement. That does help motivate the "hobby" players (according to Aruna....) to improve. To advance every 50 or 100 points beyond 2000 becomes harder but again it still help motivate these "hobby" players to continue to improve or at least playing just the bare minimum to keep their skills sharp and rating stable. But in the eyes of Aruna, everyone under 2600 is apparently still hobby player, as Aruna told Beast that at the end of their match. lol

I forgot to attach the link for 2023 US Open results in my previous post:

T-Tourney

 

[banbekas]

In which country ?

It was just a random number I assigned to myself. We don't have rating in Indonesia, we have division instead.

 

[vvk1]

Here is the ranking pyramid in the UK, ranking on the abscissa and number of players on the ordinate. We can see that the ranking system is pretty poorly conceived, because it has as many ranking for the best 97 players as for the 7748 weakest. 100 rating must be very heterogenous and pretty useless, half of the players having that rating.

View attachment 31972

It would be nice to have the same data for USA.

There are < 1000 players on the official TTE senior ratings list. Where did you find all those players at 100?

 

[Grumms]

There are < 1000 players on the official TTE senior ratings list. Where did you find all those players at 100?

On the official site of UK TT. They provide the full list of players with names, licence numbers and rating.

 

[vvk1]

On the official site of UK TT. They provide the full list of players with names, licence numbers and rating.

Can you share the link please?

 

[Grumms]

Can you share the link please?

https://www.tabletennisengland.co.uk/content/uploads/2024/08/All-Ranking-2024.xlsx

 

[vvk1]

https://www.tabletennisengland.co.uk/content/uploads/2024/08/All-Ranking-2024.xlsx

That list is broken down by age categories. Rating points for each age category have no relation to ranking points in other age categories.

Your problem is assuming that this is a simple statistical issue. It is not ...

 

[Grumms]

That list is broken down by age categories. Rating points for each age category have no relation to ranking points in other age categories.

Your problem is assuming that this is a simple statistical issue. It is not ...

I assumed that there was no separation between categories, like in France. Besides, if a - 17 plays a senior, the ranking does not matter? No one benefits the victory rating wise?

 

[vvk1]

I assumed that there was no separation between categories, like in France. Besides, if a - 17 plays a senior, the ranking does not matter? No one benefits the victory rating wise?

A 17 year old can only play a senior in a senior event which are open to anyone and result in only senior points. Two over-40 players playing in a senior event will only get senior points, but same players playing an over-40 (aka "veteran" event) will get veteran points, two 14-year olds playing in an under-15 event will get under-15 points while playing in an under 21 event will get under 21 points, and so on.

 

[OvrChkn]

USATT 2600 isn't that high and won't be able to survive in many top leagues
That is why I think USATT high level is too limited point range

USATT is trying to pilot a point system for the higher end, and weight it by events. May be a bit more difficult to translate the results over to different country systems.

September's Rankings: https://assets.contentstack.io/v3/a...df51f07bb1157d8baa873d/rankings_202409_MS.pdf
Explanation of Points System: https://www.usatt.org/ranking-system-explained

 

[Grumms]

A 17 year old can only play a senior in a senior event which are open to anyone and result in only senior points. Two over-40 players playing in a senior event will only get senior points, but same players playing an over-40 (aka "veteran" event) will get veteran points, two 14-year olds playing in an under-15 event will get under-15 points while playing in an under 21 event will get under 21 points, and so on.

So people have different ratings? That seems odd.