Video Footage Safe Thread

[NextLevel]

Without a doubt true. But, with the understanding that there aren't a ton of seasoned expert coaches or top players on this site but this thread is the best attempt at getting close to that, it is a fair question for @suds79 or others to wonder what requirement gives someone permission to give advice apart from not being rude and being an above average amateur player but an amateur player nonetheless. Meeting those two requirements alone definitely does not guarantee that someone can actually give useful advice in all situations that might come up on this thread. A quick description of each of the approved posters would probably be helpful in letting people know what they are getting, which is the point of this thread. Something along the lines of "this poster has X proven level, plays in this league, plays this style, coaches at this reputable club, coached these players, has learned from this well-known coach" ... etc

You missed the biggest requirement, which is to be willing to share with Carl and the forum video of your play. This is actually more important in many cases than the other two requirements because what you find very quickly are lots of people who are willing to say lots of insightful things about how other people play but are unwilling to share video that shows what the person saying all these insightful things plays like.

A lot of this comes down to whether you trust Carl when using a free service.

 

[Der_Echte]

You missed the biggest requirement, which is to be willing to share with Carl and the forum video of your play. This is actually more important in many cases than the other two requirements because what you find very quickly are lots of people who are willing to say lots of insightful things about how other people play but are unwilling to share video that shows what the person saying all these insightful things plays like.

A lot of this comes down to whether you trust Carl when using a free service.

Maybe the Pong Commenter will share vids, make a history of competently analyzing and showing players some obvious things... and thus show us all wrong...

...but until then, he is coming across as a dude with a TT paddle stuck forcibly up hiz tail end and coming out his mouth.

That is not a disqualifier, I have done that deed and gotten the free t-shirt before I stood and delivered. (Nah, I showed Dan straight away where I came from way back decades ago.

Still, even though I flung the dung all over PC and myself, there is still space for dude to come out and show up and show us and shut us up.

If someone gets NL to comment in this manner, there is certainly smoke.

maybe NL read too much of Suffer No Fools by the late great Walt Williams.

 

[Der_Echte]

Can brush upward or over the ball. Upward often more against backspin and over the ball more against topspin. Could be easier to hook on the right side at the ball against no spin/topspin. Spin comes from snapping the forarm together, relax and tighten.
Try these tips:
- Try pressing the thumb so racket angle become closed.
- Follow the sound. Thick no spin hit will sound more, topspin much less. Try playing soft.
- try looping by hitting the ball under the table, then you are forced to make topspin. So drop the ball on floor then loop or looping far away.
- opening against half long ball, will force you to use the forarm. It is from the forearm snap that you create spin
- hold a ball in your hand and loop over the ball. Maybe put a pencil through the ball and loop. Or loop on another big wheel, maybe with the hand on a bicycle.
- looping against a barrier and make the ball go up
- probably easier to learn against multiball

I think it could be wise to follow the results, if you get spin the technique is good. Looping technique goal is really to get spin. Good luck

Golden and totally Free of money charges. Read anyone and everyone.

 

[Der_Echte]

Without a doubt true. But, with the understanding that there aren't a ton of seasoned expert coaches or top players on this site but this thread is the best attempt at getting close to that, it is a fair question for @suds79 or others to wonder what requirement gives someone permission to give advice apart from not being rude and being an above average amateur player but an amateur player nonetheless. Meeting those two requirements alone definitely does not guarantee that someone can actually give useful advice in all situations that might come up on this thread. A quick description of each of the approved posters would probably be helpful in letting people know what they are getting, which is the point of this thread. Something along the lines of "this poster has X proven level, plays in this league, plays this style, coaches at this reputable club, coached these players, has learned from this well-known coach" ... etc

Like it or not, you have to convince Carl that you will be an asset instead of an azzhole. Carl has good judgement and is absolutely paid zero to be the admin and spam defender. (and azzhole regulator)

Yes, I would agree with your base premise that not so many TTD forum members are gunna provide useful advice as there is prolly a ratio of 100-1 in favor of your assessment... BUT, there are still DOZENS if not more members who can provide useful insight to many TTD members.

The number of these is WAY more than you estimate.

There are a number of TTD members I have never met or may never meet and would wholeheartedly say they are useful to give advise.

NL and Carl are very quick to sniff out the fake advisers and are slow to disparage those who are doing right.

I reiterate point ONE.

You gotta convice CARL... not NL or meez or the members.

 

[Der_Echte]

It is not so much as where such and such player has played, but a lot more about what a commenter could see and say about biomechanics, skills, footwork, tactics, adjustments and the like...and logically link to a plan... that has reasonable chances to improve performance.

No single system of TT is the "Right" way, but Carl and NL can see very quickly see if some member is worthy to be an asset for TTD members as a commenter.

This is the exact reason Carl created this thread... to assure TTD members that they could post vids here and not be harassed by commenters who cannot prove they are solid.

if you have seen similar threads in TTD and every other TT forum where unskilled or skilled but A-Hole members make this and this comment that has little relevance to improve performance or identify issues and advise a plan with reason then you have seen the utter nonsense members expose themselves to and it is a great idea Carl made this thread and we will support dude and got hiz six 7 days a week and three times on Sunday baking bread.

 

[suds79]

Man I didn't know my initial comment, which lacked tact and could have been stated much better, was going to get some traction.

I've been around this board for some time but have taken some time off it. I explained earlier through my recent positive experience in sharing videos how I didn't know that troll comments were a problem. But knowing how internet people can be, it's not surprising. So if comments like that do happen, I could understand the purpose of this thread. Makes sense.

Initially when discovering the thread, I went back & forth from thoughts of...
"If someone provides valuable insight, why should their review be deleted?"
or
"Who are all these players? I want to see their play to know just exactly what level they are to be offering advice and recognize them as an authority figure." (even though I recognize several of the names and know they're insightful, smart people with good feedback)

But ultimately I came to this and there's no way around it. This is fair.
- The thread offers a place to provide feedback. It provides the terms of these are the reviewers. If a poster has any problem with that at all or wants feedback from more or other people, then make another thread. The rules of this one are clearly stated. So it's mutual agreement when you post your video in here what the deal is.

And from that, I have no complaints.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Without a doubt true. But, with the understanding that there aren't a ton of seasoned expert coaches or top players on this site but this thread is the best attempt at getting close to that, it is a fair question for @suds79 or others to wonder what requirement gives someone permission to give advice apart from not being rude and being an above average amateur player but an amateur player nonetheless. Meeting those two requirements alone definitely does not guarantee that someone can actually give useful advice in all situations that might come up on this thread. A quick description of each of the approved posters would probably be helpful in letting people know what they are getting, which is the point of this thread. Something along the lines of "this poster has X proven level, plays in this league, plays this style, coaches at this reputable club, coached these players, has learned from this well-known coach" ... etc

The requirement is that I have actually spent some time vetting them and I know them and their ability to say things that are reasonable and will be helpful and also TO NOT say things when they don't know or when it would not be useful.

All the approved members have been active on the forum at some point and if you want to get to know who they are, search and read their posts.

It is also worth knowing that several of the people who are on the list, I have, at some point in the past, been at the same club with and on the same TT Table with. Not all, but enough of them.

But yeah, as NextLevel said, the important requirement is that a person who wants to be on the approved list has posted video footage somewhere on the table tennis daily forum for everyone to see....so everyone can at least see their level of play.

The next requirements are me deciding based on how you post and respond to people, whether I think a member would be a good fit for this thread. I can also decide at some point, if someone is giving feedback that seems bad or damaging, that, that person is taken off the list.

So, in the end, if someone wanted to post footage on this thread to have commentary from the people approved to do that, it comes down to whether that person trusts ME to choose people who will do as good a job of it as they can. If you don't trust that I have chosen well, then don't post. If you want anyone and everyone to comment on your footage, then post in a thread of your own making. There is NO COMPULSION to post footage in this thread. But you can't comment on footage someone else posts in this thread unless I HAVE PUT YOU ON THE APPROVED LIST.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Before the comment that follows, I want to say, thank you. Solid fair post. And thanks for understanding.

What I am picking out of your post is not as a criticism to you. I think you get what I am about to say without me saying it. But, it is still worth clarifying.

"Who are all these players? I want to see their play to know just exactly what level they are to be offering advice and recognize them as an authority figure." (even though I recognize several of the names and know they're insightful, smart people with good feedback)

For other people who don't know the people who are giving the feedback on this thread, it is worth knowing:

You do not have to view them as authority figures. These are just guys who have worked hard on learning to play table tennis well. And they are trying to help.

Thanks for that post @suds79. I appreciate your saying what you have. That is exactly the idea of the thread.

And I am glad you had a good experience posting footage where anyone could post.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

You missed the biggest requirement, which is to be willing to share with Carl and the forum video of your play. This is actually more important in many cases than the other two requirements because what you find very quickly are lots of people who are willing to say lots of insightful things about how other people play but are unwilling to share video that shows what the person saying all these insightful things plays like.

A lot of this comes down to whether you trust Carl when using a free service.

I didn't miss it, that's actually the point I'm trying to make. Wouldn't it be beneficial and offer more options to how people seek and take advice, to have a description of "this user is approved, here is a quick listing of their background that makes them qualified in Carl's opinion and what they can help you with" rather than "this user is approved to give anyone advice because one person says so"? I am not doubting his judgement, I am sure it is pretty good, just saying this would probably be an additional useful layer. I don't think it would be terribly hard to set up over time either, in response to your "free service" comment.

Maybe the Pong Commenter will share vids, make a history of competently analyzing and showing players some obvious things... and thus show us all wrong...

...but until then, he is coming across as a dude with a TT paddle stuck forcibly up hiz tail end and coming out his mouth.

Wow. I never said I was interested in becoming an approved poster here nor is there anything I am trying to "prove everyone wrong" about. Isn't this comment a little much in response to me offering a suggestion to give additional insight into who the approved coaches are on one of the biggest threads on this site?

Like it or not, you have to convince Carl that you will be an asset instead of an azzhole. Carl has good judgement and is absolutely paid zero to be the admin and spam defender. (and azzhole regulator)

I don't dislike it. Just a suggestion to provide more detail.

It is not so much as where such and such player has played, but a lot more about what a commenter could see and say about biomechanics, skills, footwork, tactics, adjustments and the like...and logically link to a plan... that has reasonable chances to improve performance.

No single system of TT is the "Right" way, but Carl and NL can see very quickly see if some member is worthy to be an asset for TTD members as a commenter.

This is the exact reason Carl created this thread... to assure TTD members that they could post vids here and not be harassed by commenters who cannot prove they are solid.

if you have seen similar threads in TTD and every other TT forum where unskilled or skilled but A-Hole members make this and this comment that has little relevance to improve performance or identify issues and advise a plan with reason then you have seen the utter nonsense members expose themselves to and it is a great idea Carl made this thread and we will support dude and got hiz six 7 days a week and three times on Sunday baking bread.

When you go to a restaurant and you are looking at a menu, it's already known that a head chef thinks everything on that menu is good enough to serve to people. But does that menu give a description of what each item is so that people can decide which one they want to choose or narrow it down to? Or does it say "the head chef says these are all good - figure it out for yourself or just try any and all!"? That's my point.

If someone gets NL to comment in this manner, there is certainly smoke.

What exactly does that mean?

The requirement is that I have actually spent some time vetting them and I know them and their ability to say things that are reasonable and will be helpful and also to not say things when they don't know.

All the approved members have been active on the forum at some point and if you want to get to know who they are, search and read their posts.

Sure they can go read their posts on other threads and come to a conclusion about what they think that person is, but I thought the premise of this thread is to remove that guesswork. And I'm sure you've done a good job of a making an initial pass at people who won't post horribly useless advice. My point is why not give a little additional info in the OP to let advice-seekers guide their decision even more after you've made your initial first pass?

So that's why I think having a brief introduction of who each player is would be a good idea and wouldn't take a ton of effort over time if you are willing.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I didn't miss it, that's actually the point I'm trying to make. Wouldn't it be beneficial and offer more options to how people seek and take advice, to have a description of "this user is approved, here is a quick listing of their background that makes them qualified in Carl's opinion and what they can help you with" rather than "this user is approved to give anyone advice because one person says so"? I am not doubting his judgement, I am sure it is pretty good, just saying this would probably be an additional useful layer. I don't think it would be terribly hard to set up over time either, in response to your "free service" comment.

Sure they can go read their posts on other threads and come to a conclusion about what they think that person is, but I thought the premise of this thread is to remove that guesswork. And I'm sure you've done a good job of a making an initial pass at people who won't post horribly useless advice. My point is why not give a little additional info in the OP to let advice-seekers guide their decision even more after you've made your initial blanket decision?

So that's why I think having a brief introduction of who each player is would be a good idea and wouldn't take a ton of effort over time if you are willing.

Are you offering to write those up and have each player approve your writeup of them and then submit them to me?

I don't think those writeups would be as useful as you seem to think and I think it would not be as useful as people going through the forum, seeing posts from the guys approved and deciding for themselves based on what they read and video footage they see.

And there IS NO MENUE. You are not choosing items on a list. You are not choosing the feedback you get. The people on the list who look at the footage of you and decide there is feedback to give, they are who comment. When they do comment, you get to decide how to take what they have OFFERED.

There is no: "I will take a side order of Der_Echte with NDH and then have commentary from Lula for the main course." The people on the list who have time to help you and watch your footage, and comment, that is who watches the footage and comments.

The decision is, do I want commentary from EVERYONE ON THE FORUM: Then go to door one and and post footage in a thread of your own making. OR, DO I WANT TO AVOID THE PEOPLE WHO I DON'T WANT COMMENTING AND TRUST THAT THIS THREAD HAS CHOSEN PEOPLE WHO ARE ADEQUATE. Note the word adequate. Not perfect. Not the best coach ever. Someone who is adequate to give useful feedback, constructive feedback.

But the menu is
- Door 1: anyone can comment
- Door 2: this thread where someone has vetted people

You get the choice.

But feel free to start doing writeups about each of the people on the list and then you can submit the writeups to the person they are attempting to describe. When they approve the writeup, you can then submit them to me.

Meanwhile, I will be deleting spam and other things I do to keep the forum running.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I'm very sorry for offering a suggestion, yes, one that would have taken some work to do - didn't know it would be met with such an aggressive response. I'll step out now with my TT paddle stuck forcibly up my ass and sticking out of my mouth

 

[SleepyMaster]

Did an two hour session today. First hour is drilling another one was playing with coach.
Here some exercises that we did today. What do you, guys, think?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Have to say, I haven't visit this thread for some time.
I wonder how many are no longer active. I know Victor now and then will pop in and read some threads, but he is pretty busy nowadays and doesn't really have time to post. Missed his videos!

1) Baal
2) Der_Echte
3) NDH
4) Richie
5) Lula
6) NextLevel
7) Brs
8) Takkyu_wa_inochi
9) Tinykin
10) pingpongpaddy
11) Tony's Table Tennis
12) Victor Moraga
13) cytivrat
14) ander999

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Have to say, I haven't visit this thread for some time.
I wonder how many are no longer active. I know Victor now and then will pop in and read some threads, but he is pretty busy nowadays and doesn't really have time to post. Missed his videos!

1) Baal
2) Der_Echte
3) NDH
4) Richie
5) Lula
6) NextLevel
7) Brs
8) Takkyu_wa_inochi
9) Tinykin
10) pingpongpaddy
11) Tony's Table Tennis
12) Victor Moraga
13) cytivrat
14) ander999

Yep. Several on the list.

- Baal
- Richie
- Victor
- cytivrat
- anders999

Anders pops up once in a while. Ritchie may still pop up every so often. I just don’t see a need to remove. Sometimes when someone is inactive for a while, then they pop back in.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I'm very sorry for offering a suggestion, yes, one that would have taken some work to do - didn't know it would be met with such an aggressive response. I'll step out now with my TT paddle stuck forcibly up my ass and sticking out of my mouth

Nah. I do get you didn’t mean harm and were just making a suggestion.

Also, I do think Der was clowning around. And I was being a clown as well.

But I personally just don’t think the writeups for the approved players is necessary.

If someone wants to post in a controlled environment they can. If someone wants to post elsewhere, they also can. Even just reading prior content in this thread alone could be enough for someone to decide what their choice is.

Over the course of 69 pages so far, there is enough content for someone to make a decision based on how listed members have already responded.

 

[Lula]

Did an two hour session today. First hour is drilling another one was playing with coach.
Here some exercises that we did today. What do you, guys, think?

Always easier to point out the bad things but forget to say the good things.
Good:
- amazing to practice while your country are in war!
- High racket all the time
- Very consistent
- Seem to get good spin
- I think the strokes with the arm looks pretty nice

Room for improvement:
- move more, could lean forward more and be more on the toes to be able to move better. Strokes are nothing without footwork
- Maybe play a bit more forward on the bachand and maybe start stroke more from elbow? but it also seems like you get good power
- Open up the body with the forehand, by having left foot in front or turning feet a bit towards the right. Very difficult now to use the body so you play mostly with the arm. If you open up more you could start the stroke by turning the body
- Try getting the racket pointing more down with your forehand or extending or relaxing the arm. The goal is to get the arm more extended and more relaxed. Now it seems like it is a bit bent all the time. Try thinking how you would throw the racket far away as possible or maybe dusting something of the table with the arm. You could also loop far away or halflong balls where you need to create spin which comes from the forearm mostly. Hard to do if the elbow is always a bit bent.
- In general with the forehand i think you could try to think like a golf swing. The body makes the momentum and the arm is relaxed so it follows then the arm is put in action. Or like a punch in boxing, the power comes from the ground up through feet, kne, hip and then arm and lastly hand. Forehand is the same.

Lol im trying to make it easier to understand but maybe it just get harder haha. I think moving the feet and opening up the body a bit more is probably most important.

keep up the good work and hope everything get better for ukraine. Wish you guys the best.

 

[SleepyMaster]

Thank you, i will keep working as i can, it is harder to train now but thanks to our brave soldiers who are defending our country - i can. Always need to remember the ones who gives their lives for that oportunity for others to live their "normal life" but in never be normal again for millions of people. I could be living in other country if i wanned to - when war started i was in Spain with my wife - we had anniversary trip. Our family has home there so we could just stayed there - but we coudnt. I came back with understanding that maybe i die, maybe i find myself in the trenches, but it us our homeland and it is always be. And people of our country will always be gratheful fo those who helped us - we will never forget anyone! Thank you free world!

I had like almost six-seven months brake plus my body is extra tentioned after years of martial arts and heavy lifting im in that point that i almsot sure that it will always stay so stiff - i think there is some level of table tennis atlethetic abilites that you can achieve only playing from a young age - but anyway this is the point where i can improve - opening a body, relaxing my arm more and whipping kinda more.
I had pretty bad injury and long reabilition that denied almost any kind workload for legs or lower back - so absolutely agree - my legs are need hell of a work i dont feelin one leg as good as it was before - but i think it shoud be better over time

 

[olive-nguyen]

20250422_142120.mp4

drive.google.com

This is how I practice in school. I usually play alone since there is no one else to play with in school, or not with a few friends. There is a pair of sec 1s, my juniors who play often but they don’t want to play with me. This is how i learn power cause you have to hit quite hard for it to come back well. It looks wonky but it certainly is a workout.

I have another video of how i learn serving and try topspin on forehand, rpb and tpb, from far off the table. When i recorded this video, 21 April, I didn’t play very well that day, since i just had sprint training prior in preparation for x country NSG.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Did an two hour session today. First hour is drilling another one was playing with coach.
Here some exercises that we did today. What do you, guys, think?

i made a youtube commentating video, will private message you.
in return - please like my channel

 

[greenbeanmachine]

@greenbeanmachine: I think you need to read the first post in this thread. If you have already read it, read it again.

Just to make sure you know what I am talking about, here, I am quoting the first post of the thread here:




Based on the rules of this thread, I don't see you on that list. So, you cannot comment on people's technique in this thread no matter how well meaning you are.

Thanks for understanding. If you wanted to be on that list, there is a process. The first part would be, you would have to post footage of yourself.

In the meantime, you can post footage of yourself for commentary from people who have already been vetted and are on that list. You can ask questions of the people on that list. There is certain kinds of comments you can make on this thread that do not include commenting about technique from someone's posted footage. What you can't do is comment on the technique of someone who is asking for commentary from the people authorized to give commentary in this thread.

If @PenHoldSandro wants your feedback, he could PM you and get it in a private message from you. But, I am sorry, you can't comment on the footage and give advice about the technique in this thread unless you are on that list.

Oh, I see. Sorry, I didn't realize that's what this thread was.

I might post some footage of myself at some point. I'm not an expert by any means -- around 1500-1700 -- but I think my stroke fundamentals are pretty solid and I think I have some good advice to offer beginner penholders. I thought that passing on the advice of throwing a frisbee in order to learn to whip the arm in RPB would be helpful, and I received it from a coach who made it to R32 at US nationals. I'd be curious to hear what you all think of this advice, actually.

No disrespect intended. I realize you guys are much more qualified than I am to be giving advice.