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I know she calls it the UFO shot but it should be stated that Dan Seemiller was doing this shot before she was born. Is she good at it and uses it well? Yeah. She's a pro. But calling it her own thing like she pioneered the shot? Eh, I don't know about that. I don't think he actually named his particular stroke but just thought I'd point out it's not exactly a new thing. And maybe she's just naming it and not pretending she invented it. That's fine. I just thought any younger people should know about Dan Seemiller (who the grip is named after) was well onto this tactic a long time ago.

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As for the debate if the Dane could beat her. Folks, just stop. She's a professional. He's not. Sure if they played a million times he'd eventually luck into one & catch a game. But lets not pretend he's remotely (and he's really good) close to her level. It's a significant difference.
maybe if she stopped using that stupid antispin he would beat her. Really it just no skill, is what antispin is. Just ban it please.
 
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A tip of the cap here.

I know she calls it the UFO shot but it should be stated that Dan Seemiller was doing this shot before she was born. Is she good at it and uses it well? Yeah. She's a pro. But calling it her own thing like she pioneered the shot? Eh, I don't know about that. I don't think he actually named his particular stroke but just thought I'd point out it's not exactly a new thing. And maybe she's just naming it and not pretending she invented it. That's fine. I just thought any younger people should know about Dan Seemiller (who the grip is named after) was well onto this tactic a long time ago.

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As for the debate if the Dane could beat her. Folks, just stop. She's a professional. He's not. Sure if they played a million times he'd eventually luck into one & catch a game. But lets not pretend he's remotely (and he's really good) close to her level. It's a significant difference.
Let's not forget Eric Boggan who I believe achieved a world ranking higher than Seemiller using the same basic grip and anti rubbers, though not as frictionless as what Sabine is using. And the Seemiller brothers were ranked very high as a doubles team. That grip was wildly popular in the US in the 80s.
 
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As for the debate if the Dane could beat her. Folks, just stop. She's a professional. He's not. Sure if they played a million times he'd eventually luck into one & catch a game. But lets not pretend he's remotely (and he's really good) close to her level. It's a significant difference.
She's better, and she were any other top 10 or even top 25 player I'd tend to agree with you. But the anti makes her significantly more vulnerable to players who can handle it. As far as women pro players being untouchable by very strong amateurs or semi-pros, let's say 2500+ US rating level, it's not the case unless you're talking about the CNT women or their main competitors.
 
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maybe if she stopped using that stupid antispin he would beat her. Really it just no skill, is what antispin is. Just ban it please.
I think this statement is one-sided. Most of Winter's points come from her third attack and powerful forehand loop shots, while antispin is only used by her to change the pace of the game when she is on the defensive.
Even when frictionless LP is allowed, Fabian AKERSTROM's match results are not that impressive. Winter truly relies on her strong forehand, third attack, and exceptional physical abilities, rather than solely depending on antispin.
 
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I think this statement is one-sided. Most of Winter's points come from her third attack and powerful forehand loop shots, while antispin is only used by her to change the pace of the game when she is on the defensive.
Even when frictionless LP is allowed, Fabian AKERSTROM's match results are not that impressive. Winter truly relies on her strong forehand, third attack, and exceptional physical abilities, rather than solely depending on antispin.
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I tend to joke a lot that Sabine to me plays like a penholder. I'm talking the old-school, single winged type. She's the modern version of that style.

Just stay alive on the backhand and look to step around whenever possible playing a forehand her opponents can't handle.
 
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maybe if she stopped using that stupid antispin he would beat her. Really it just no skill, is what antispin is. Just ban it please.
I've never understood this line of thinking - That "different" rubbers like short/long pimples or antispin is somehow..... unfair?

How boring would the sport be if everyone used the same thing?

Also.... "alternative" rubbers like antispin/pimples have a lower "ceiling" than traditional rubbers.

So if anything, the person playing with anti is at a disadvantage.

The reason people like Sabina do so well, is because they are extremely good players, use the equipment very well and SOME opposition players just aren't that good at playing against that style.
 
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I've never understood this link of thinking - That "different" rubbers like short/long pimples or antispin is somehow..... unfair?
Tell me about it.
I changed to long pips at the end of last season.
This season my win percentage went up by about 10%, as it has for the last few years, but all of a sudden its the rubber that's responsible, not that I'm doing more training than the people I'm now winning against.
 
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Tell me about it.
I changed to long pips at the end of last season.
This season my win percentage went up by about 10%, as it has for the last few years, but all of a sudden its the rubber that's responsible, not that I'm doing more training than the people I'm now winning against.
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All pips players are cheats ;)

Haha - I do love that comment from local league players who for whatever reason, haven't learnt how to play against pips in the 30 years they've been playing the sport!
 
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CXT and WYD should put on lp or anti. They will obviously surpass SYS if they grab that unfair advantage that pips or anti have 🙄
 
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I've never understood this line of thinking - That "different" rubbers like short/long pimples or antispin is somehow..... unfair?

How boring would the sport be if everyone used the same thing?

Also.... "alternative" rubbers like antispin/pimples have a lower "ceiling" than traditional rubbers.

So if anything, the person playing with anti is at a disadvantage.

The reason people like Sabina do so well, is because they are extremely good players, use the equipment very well and SOME opposition players just aren't that good at playing against that style.
Well. I don't think they are cheating. Pips and low friction rubbers have a long history in TT. ( And personally, I have a good record against them since I tend to win more in lower speed games)
However - it is so much more fun to play "regular" inverted games. And even more so practices. It would be awsome with some inverted only competitions. And why not anti only as well? No? 😆
 
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well if there is no unfair advantage, then how did she get from outside of top fifty suddenly top ten AFTER changing. Its obviously the rubber isn't it.
I've never understood this line of thinking - That "different" rubbers like short/long pimples or antispin is somehow..... unfair?

How boring would the sport be if everyone used the same thing?

Also.... "alternative" rubbers like antispin/pimples have a lower "ceiling" than traditional rubbers.

So if anything, the person playing with anti is at a disadvantage.

The reason people like Sabina do so well, is because they are extremely good players, use the equipment very well and SOME opposition players just aren't that good at playing against that style.
anyway this antispin gimmick will die down anyway once people get used to it.
Sorry, i might have been a bit rude, anti spin is not no skill but its just the suprise factor of it, so when people get used to it it probably won't be as effective (not saying it will be bad)
 
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I changed to long pips at the end of last season.
This season my win percentage went up by about 10%, as it has for the last few years, but all of a sudden its the rubber that's responsible, not that I'm doing more training than the people I'm now winning against.
yours is because of your skill because YOU WERE INCREASING STEADILY ANYWAY, 10% a year. but SABINE JUMPED FROM TOP 200 TO TOP 10 in less than a year.
 

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well if there is no unfair advantage, then how did she get from outside of top fifty suddenly top ten AFTER changing. Its obviously the rubber isn't it.

anyway this antispin gimmick will die down anyway once people get used to it.
Sorry, i might have been a bit rude, anti spin is not no skill but its just the suprise factor of it, so when people get used to it it probably won't be as effective (not saying it will be bad)
So why doesn't everyone do it?

Why would the Chinese, where Table Tennis is their national sport and are always looking to gain an advantage, not train all of their players with anti/pips and any other rubber with an "unfair" advantage?

It's because it isn't an advantage - The ceiling is lower for those players OVERALL, all be it the ceiling might be higher for a certain player who can really understand the rubber and use it to it's full advantage (like Sabine).

Like you said, people aren't used to playing against it, so she'll pick up certain wins that she wouldn't usually pick up with "normal" rubbers.

But when she comes across players who are comfortable against that style, she'll struggle (as we've seen).

Also, it won't "die down", unless more people start using it, or at least start practicing against it more.

Unless that happens, Sabine (and others) will have that small advantage of play style vs the others.
 
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