What's the difference between the equipment sold commercially and the equipment used by pros

[Punching Feline]

For example: If I buy dignics 09c from butterfly, will it have same performance as the ones used by pros?
I heard people saying that they are boosted differently etc.

Can someone shed some light on this?

 

[Der_Echte]

The national and Pro stuff is sanctioned by the Office of the Goon Squad, which also enforces illegal procurement and possession.

Carl over years has acquired some really sophisticated and capable phone spy equipment and has facilities in Krooklyn that would blow your mind.

 

[Airoc]

Can someone shed some light on this?

A few short points.
- There are "pro" versions of some rubbers that are not available commercially, but even not every sponsored player gets them
- Mostly the difference lies in the selection/quality control.
- Often the difference lies only in the sponge hardness.
- Some pros even play rubbers they buy from the shop. It is rare for a top player to be without contract, but it happens.
- Don´t think too much about it. Rubber quality - whether BTY or other brands´ top range - is so good and consistent now that what you get would fit many a pro´s needs. And actually, some sponsored players are supplied with these.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Butterfly contracted top pros and butterfly sponsored pros for example are different.
Butterfly has thousands of sponsored players, and maybe few hundred contracted players (Butterfly pays them money to play with Butterfly).

Contracted players can get customized equipment.
Blade is more common, since each player's technical requirement is pretty much different.

From rubber standing point, there is only "so much" they can tweak.
Butterfly rubbers are already pretty high quality, but for example, T05 Hard has been "in the (pro) market" for years in T05 with customized harder sponge. T05 Hard came out only recently to fit the commericial market.

Specs on the sponge is probably the biggest different tweaks from Butterfly rubbers.
When comes boosting, each player does they own thing.
So sponge thickness customization can also come into play here.

 

[tropical]

On rubber (or even blade) I think it has to do with top sheet/sponge quality. For commercial the tolerance is larger. For example, Tenergy 9C specs: Speed 13.5, Spin 10.5 Sponge Hardness 36 , we can expect a tolerance of +/- 10 to 15% while for professionals it is much tighter, say 5%. In rubber business, we (our company) have to pay much more for tighter tolerance rubber due to low yield and more elaborate manufacturing processes.

 

[dingyibvs]

On rubber (or even blade) I think it has to do with top sheet/sponge quality. For commercial the tolerance is larger. For example, Tenergy 9C specs: Speed 13.5, Spin 10.5 Sponge Hardness 36 , we can expect a tolerance of +/- 10 to 15% while for professionals it is much tighter, say 5%. In rubber business, we (our company) have to pay much more for tighter tolerance rubber due to low yield and more elaborate manufacturing processes.

I think for TT rubber manufacturers, they can just use stricter selection to achieve tighter tolerance rather than a different manufacturing process.

 

[tropical]

I think for TT rubber manufacturers, they can just use stricter selection to achieve tighter tolerance rather than a different manufacturing process.

True, it also depends on how manufactures decide which method will give them the best cost/benefit. The simplest way is using sampling test to decide which lots have the tightest tolerances then give/sell them to professionals. Or they have a proprietary and expensive machines/manufacturing process to create rubbers that are so expensive (like Tenergy Dignics) that only one price is needed for both pro's and amateurs.

 

[merlin el mago]

I guess contracted players uses the material he/she likes better, that's including everything in blades & rubbers....

 

[Airoc]

I guess contracted players uses the material he/she likes better, that's including everything in blades & rubbers....

The purpose of the contract is to supply players with material that makes them successful, so you can advertise with them. If the material isn´t good enough, players might demand their contract to be expanded to allow them to play other/better stuff - this was the case for a long time with tenergy05.

Now most companies keep a strict eye on their players, because their rubbers are equal or in some cases/opinions better than tenergy/dignics. They will eventually let them play with a blade from a different brand, but demand to change the handles. They will most likely not let players use other rubbers.

 

[lodro]

We also have to consider that pro players need to play with rubbers that
have been tested, approved and carry the stamp and number of the ITTF.
This will restrict at least to a certain degree some possible , shall we say, ""extras"" 😂

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The purpose of the contract is to supply players with material that makes them successful, so you can advertise with them. If the material isn´t good enough, players might demand their contract to be expanded to allow them to play other/better stuff - this was the case for a long time with tenergy05.

Now most companies keep a strict eye on their players, because their rubbers are equal or in some cases/opinions better than tenergy/dignics. They will eventually let them play with a blade from a different brand, but demand to change the handles. They will most likely not let players use other rubbers.

Initially I thought world top pros have the luxury to "not use" products by the brands.
I do know many DHS, Stiga, Donic, Tibhar and Butterfly players for example using other blade/rubbers.
And yes, change handle is quite often. To make sure on quality control, the brands would help do that.

But I knew a few that are "at best" world 100~200 level that had the luxury from the likes of DHS to allow for a non DHS backhand rubber (this was before the days of H8-80, and when 8-80 came out, he happily used that instead of Tenergy)

 

[Der_Echte]

We can also declare that Sergey the Real Tsos has taken over many aspects of the enforcement of the National H3 rubber integrity unit... as he is perhaps the leading expert of H3 in the entire nation.

 

[Der_Echte]

GIANGT is in the HOUSE !!!!!!