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Ok, i'll try to make some footage tomorrow

Yeah. I am always surprised how people will give advice without seeing how you play. It is a bit like someone telling you what size shoe to wear without being able to see what size your feet are.

If you post footage, the people who don't know what they are looking at will still give bad advice. But at least some people will give advice that has something to do with what you are doing and what you need to work on.
 
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Turns out he make some footage yesterday and shared with me, but just the only 2 games where i do poorly haha, but i think it's worth taking a look and see how unique and weird his style is.
PS: I'm the guy with red shirt
 

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I just suck at this game :(

As far as this: everyone has to start somewhere. If you are having fun playing, that is really the main thing that matters.

And if you are not so good, it just means you have plenty of things to work on. We will only know what they are if you post footage. But table tennis is a game that takes a lot of different skills. There are many more "fundamentals" than most people realize. And it is much more a sport of technique than a sport of strength. At the highest levels, you need athletic abilities. But without the technical skills to go with the athletic abilities, you won't get far. And there are plenty of moderately high level amateur players who do not have athletic abilities, or are old and no longer have them, who are still darn good at this game. So the technical aspects are quite important in TT.
 
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As far as this: everyone has to start somewhere. If you are having fun playing, that is really the main thing that matters.

And if you are not so good, it just means you have plenty of things to work on. We will only know what they are if you post footage. But table tennis is a game that takes a lot of different skills. There are many more "fundamentals" than most people realize. And it is much more a sport of technique than a sport of strength. At the highest levels, you need athletic abilities. But without the technical skills to go with the athletic abilities, you won't get far. And there are plenty of moderately high level amateur players who do not have athletic abilities, or are old and no longer have them, who are still darn good at this game. So the technical aspects are quite important in TT.
I just posted above
 
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Turns out he make some footage yesterday and shared with me, but just the only 2 games where i do poorly haha, but i think it's worth taking a look and see how unique and weird his style is.
PS: I'm the guy with red shirt


I just posted above

Yep. You actually look fairly decent especially if you have only been playing for 10 months.

You do need more game experience though. I don't think it is more complicated than that. Your FH and BH attacks and loops look solid. That footage was actually ideal because people get to see you struggling with some of the things you are not so good at. [edit: ideal except that it is sideways: I turned my computer sideways to see. But for someone on a phone, maybe that won't matter.]

Like, you missed a lot of float balls on serve to your BH: just missed them completely. The more you play, the more you will adjust well to those.

@NextLevel : any thoughts that will help Pedro?
 
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Yep. You actually look fairly decent especially if you have only been playing for 10 months.

You do need more game experience though. I don't think it is more complicated than that. Your FH and BH attacks and loops look solid. That footage was actually ideal because people get to see you struggling with some of the things you are not so good at. [edit: ideal except that it is sideways: I turned my computer sideways to see. But for someone on a phone, maybe that won't matter.]

Like, you missed a lot of float balls on serve to your BH: just missed them completely. The more you play, the more you will adjust well to those.

@NextLevel : any thoughts that will help Pedro?
Yes, i don't have any game experience, people here in my club play for a lot of years, and they were able to develop their own technique, they not really good at the topspining, but their placemente is really strong, it's really hard to me to play against them since i don't have the footwork to deal with their placement.
Thanks for saying i look decent!!! The timing of the floatball are really weird and it's something i really struggle with, but i don't think i miss that much, maybe it was just a bad day.
 
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Yes, i don't have any game experience, people here in my club play for a lot of years, and they were able to develop their own technique, they not really good at the topspining, but their placemente is really strong, it's really hard to me to play against them since i don't have the footwork to deal with their placement.
Thanks for saying i look decent!!! The timing of the floatball are really weird and it's something i really struggle with, but i don't think i miss that much, maybe it was just a bad day.

You just need to play matches against people like that a lot more.

Whether you realize it or not, that guy is good enough to control everything about the points and move you around while you are hitting right to where he wants you to. For him to do that, even if you don't see the technique, the technique is there.

So don't judge yourself harshly for having trouble againsta a player who is much more experienced than you. Who, even if you don't know it, is doing things that are making it hard for you to play how you want.

He is also being nice and making it so you get into some of the rallies. My guess is, he could play in a way that made things even more frustrating to you if he wanted.

View playing someone like him as a valuable training opportunity where you will be able to learn a lot. Play any players like him that you can as much as you can. That will help you improve.
 
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Watched a bit and you do look decent. the main thing was that

1) your BH power is not coming from your body but your arm at the moment which limits your BH to just medium pace shots. The power should be coming explosively from your hips. This will allow you to do a lot more from your BH and it will become a lot more difficult.

2) you already learnt to adjust racket angles which is good as it makes you more consistent but you are over-relying on it rather than focusing on body to adjust to the ball (either lifting it or powering it forward or pressing it down even). This applies to all shots (including push and loop).

3) you need to develop a lot better serves - a lot of it is just standard low-ish spin pendulum sidespin. First thing is really practising throwing up the ball and spinning it back to you and then catching the ball again - this will really develop your feeling of spinning the ball. Then add in body mechanics, fake movements, recovery to ready position and then focus on placement and spin conttol in that order. Good serves = a lot of free points you dont need to work for, which is really good to have!
 
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Watched a bit and you do look decent. the main thing was that

1) your BH power is not coming from your body but your arm at the moment which limits your BH to just medium pace shots. The power should be coming explosively from your hips. This will allow you to do a lot more from your BH and it will become a lot more difficult.

2) you already learnt to adjust racket angles which is good as it makes you more consistent but you are over-relying on it rather than focusing on body to adjust to the ball (either lifting it or powering it forward or pressing it down even). This applies to all shots (including push and loop).

3) you need to develop a lot better serves - a lot of it is just standard low-ish spin pendulum sidespin. First thing is really practising throwing up the ball and spinning it back to you and then catching the ball again - this will really develop your feeling of spinning the ball. Then add in body mechanics, fake movements, recovery to ready position and then focus on placement and spin conttol in that order. Good serves = a lot of free points you dont need to work for, which is really good to have!
Thank you!!!
I believe you are correct in these statements, just some points to complement it, since i don't have much time in table tennis i'm still improving a lot of things, i kinda let BH in standby and focused a lot more on FH. Started recently to train BH, and still can't generate much power, i'll try to use more my hips combined with my arms.
In the second point, i believe the issue is the footwork, i understand i have to use my body more, but since i can't move too well i tend to do things kinda akward.
And i haven't really practice the service, i'll participate in the regional league here next year, until there in somepoint i'll focus on that.
 
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it will definitely be a good experience if you play in the league, but dont even let your performance against this guy fool you. There is still a lot of basic things to learn to become more well rounded. i would not focus on your forehand loops against topspin or regular drives, because that is tbh the most easy thing to do. In the league there will be players where you wont even be able to loop one ball. Looping is exciting, i get it, but the correct order of things would be to be able to properly receive backspin and sidespin serves in a controlled manner that does not invite your opponent to instantly smash your return. being able to survive the initial push rally and pick out the one good push that you can loop will be very important. you definitely want to focus on looping backspin balls. unfortunately somehow this is overlooked by beginners very often. i even know "juniors" like 19 year olds playing for more than 4 years and if you watch them in an open rally they look kind of decent. if i play against them and do a backspin serve it is basically 100% a point for me because they cant even push/lift a backspin ball if their life depended on it.

dont be that guy ;)

You are at the beginning of your journey and you will learn this and it is fun to have topspin rallys, but dont forget the fundamentals. No point in having the best topspin forehand against empty balls, if this never happens in the game. This is of course just an assumption, because in the video i dont see any real backspin or chopped balls that you could have looped.

i had this annecdote yesterday in training. I young guy who plays for a few month and seemingly always has a odd racket. First when i saw him he had a regular rubber and antispin on the backhand. Yesterday he had short pips on one side and a spongeless antitop rubber on the other side. i played a few balls with him because he asked me to. with his antispin the ball consistently felt into the net (even when i only drove the ball to him) and with the pimples out the ball still kept flying off, when i topspin looped to him. Sometimes he had the odd ball where he would hold his racket with the rubber facing the ceiling (kind of like with a push), but the ball spat out downwards like a little smash floating either out or onto the edge of the table.
i saw that he basically did not know what he was doing and by using this odd setup would only get used to very odd strokes to somehow bring the ball back.

i told him that he will end up playing for 30 years and not being able to beat anybody that played for 6 month, because the material wont make him learn the game. I even offered him to put some old rubbers of mine onto one of his blades to properly learn table tennis. His reply was "but i have fun this way. its more fun with these rubbers". I said he can come back to me if he changes his mind.

I could not wrap my mind around somebody not being able to control anything and the ball bouncing off his bat in unexpected ways.

Then i sat down and watched this young guy go to the table with one of our choppers and suprisingly he was able to return 3 or 4 balls in a row by the chopper. That is probably why he thought his setup is good. He was able to return the chops by the chopper with his pimples out. So there was this one type of ball he could return with his bat. It's all fine to have fun, but tbh i think this is masking the issue and making him believe in his setup for the wrong reasons. Any other ball than a backspin ball would fly off uncontrollably.

Keep up the good work and i think your "open" game is good enough for the amount of time you play. Try to learn to improve the rest of your game, so you dont yourself in a rude awakening, when playing the league.
 
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jk1980 is dead right.
If you can't get a coach right now, get a stronger player to feed you some multi ball pushes to two places. At the moment you do a lot of air shots when you move, which is normal at the beginning. So you need to practice playing 20 strokes at least without error while moving KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.
Do it at a slow speed for
push vs push
Gentle topspin vs push
gentle topspin vs block (this is easier so at slow try to make 50 without error)

after this practice you should be much more consistent
You have started on long journey to success, you will get there if you are patient mistakes help you learn.
Visit Pingskills regularly and LISTEN
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