WHY are hollow blade head heavy weight forward blades the norm in our modern days?

I never took one apart, so I wouldn't know, and I don't wanna buy a Clipper to do it, so I hope Carl is Korrekt haha.

I got a huge lunch bet riding on this. (That no one has accepted)

Have to agree with you and Carl. When I tap the handle at different parts, it sounds different.
 
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I never took one apart, so I wouldn't know, and I don't wanna buy a Clipper to do it, so I hope Carl is Korrekt haha.

I got a huge lunch bet riding on this. (That no one has accepted)

I am correct. Both of my Clippers had (I sold one Clipper) hollow handles. I can feel them. The one I still have definitely has a hollow handle. And I have a friend who cut off the bottom 10-15mm of his Clipper handle. You can see the hole from the hollow space. If you tap the handle of yours you will be able to feel that it is hollow.

Again, nothing bad. The blade still plays really well. In my opinion, it just would be an even better blade if Stiga just made solid handles. But they don't.
 
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I am correct. Both of my Clippers had (I sold one Clipper) hollow handles. I can feel them. The one I still have definitely has a hollow handle. And I have a friend who tried to cut off the bottom 15mm of his Clipper handle. You can see the hole from the hollow space. If you tap the handle of yours you will be able to feel that it is hollow.

Again, nothing bad. The blade still plays really well. In my opinion, it just would be an even better blade if Stiga just made solid handles. But they don't.

Yup! Stiga is just practicing false advertising to provide us a sense of different "choices", WRB version and non-WRB version. Tsk tsk. Although I'm liking the Clipper. I just had to sand my master handle to a straight handle. haha
 
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I suspect the entire industry does this, not just Stiga, so I am not going to brand them "Evil" for that. I might brand them "whatever" for producing blades that vibrate like earthquakes however.

All the blades I do my infamous "mod" to seem to play a whole heap better, with improved feel at impact and overall better pace. The best on I ever had was a Nexy Calix II I did this mod to and I regret the day this blade crashed and burned at the table, but not everyone is going to risk taking apart a $150 USD blade. :)
 
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Yup! Stiga is just practicing false advertising to provide us a sense of different "choices", WRB version and non-WRB version. Tsk tsk. Although I'm liking the Clipper. I just had to sand my master handle to a straight handle. haha

Nah, the WRB version is totally different than the non WRB. The WRB handle has way more hollow space and way less weight in the handle. Completely different even though the one that looks solid is not solid.
 
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So I played with Der_Echte's famous Stiga Allround Evolution with the modification that added 30 grams to the handle of the blade. His blade started out as 85 grams and now weighs over 115 grams. My Allround Evolution is 83 grams. His does not feel like it weighs any more than mine but it has 30 grams extra in the handle. It feels pretty darn nice. Hahaha.
 
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A few years ago, most donic blades were available in two versions : senso V1 or senso V2. The difference between the V1 or V2 version of a blade is :
V1 has bigger handle's holes, making the blade lighter AND faster (more head heavy).
V2 has smaller handle's holes, making the blade less head heavy and slower compared to V1.

The ratio that gave me a tt retailer was that : V2 versions are less than 5% of the purchases, V1 versions are more than 95%.

Usually people will go for the lighter/faster, thats all.

Personnaly I don't like hollow blades, I mostly use butterfly blades.
 
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A few years ago, most donic blades were available in two versions : senso V1 or senso V2. The difference between the V1 or V2 version of a blade is :
V1 has bigger handle's holes, making the blade lighter AND faster (more head heavy).
V2 has smaller handle's holes, making the blade less head heavy and slower compared to V1.

The ratio that gave me a tt retailer was that : V2 versions are less than 5% of the purchases, V1 versions are more than 95%.

Usually people will go for the lighter/faster, thats all.

Personnaly I don't like hollow blades, I mostly use butterfly blades.

And the people who are buying either version of the hollow handle are being fooled. Less weight in the handle does not make the blade faster, it makes it slower. Less weight in the handle does not make your bat speed faster. In fact, with Der_Echte's modified blades, the 896s and the Evolution, they invariably feel lighter and faster even though they are heavier. The reason is the extra weight in the handle.

So marketing gets people to buy, but through product testing I am convinced that the hollow handle does nothing useful.
 
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The mod blade makers do actually does have a usefulness, it is something new (back then that is) that wasn't on the market and wasn't tried out except for the most bold and determined players who would risk making that mod themselves. Now this stuff isn't new, it is almost industry standard.

I don't like this way of making a blade as much as the next guy, but I gotta see allowing a TT company making a market and new money. There is only so much money to be made selling the same great blades over and over. There has to be some new product to get more new sales, or the company only makes a steady profit, not the ever-increasing ones stock and bond holders demand.

That is why I like Nexy, President Moon has a totally new and different approach to blade design that is not seen before, not tried out before, and premium. Even if the blades do essentially the same thing - allow you to operate the kind of feeling blade you want and look good winning using it.... even so, the freshness factor is not on the market. many companies are just re-badging the same stuff with minor tweaks and the end product is not a significantly different thing.

Granted, after so many decades, there are only so many possible ways to make a blade and such re-badging is inevitable, but there is still some room for true innovation.

Personally, I cannot STAND hollow handle blades or overly light blades. The solid impact feel is not there and I reject such blades when I try them out.

If I can modify an established classic blade to make it a full 35 (That is THIRTY Freaking FIVE !!!!) grams heavier and still have it play every bit as effective or even more effectively as the stock model, then the company could have successfully made it significantly heavier without losing any performance.

In several years, I think the hollow handle trend will get old pretty quick and blades with heavier weight and a solid handle will play much better with the new Poly Ball that TT Blade Makers will begin to re-introduce their best sellers in a special heavy version with weight in the handle and call it super-premium designed for new ball and make another boatload of cash from it.
 
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Also, independent individual craftsman blade makers have a special understanding of blade design and performance. Such ones can make something not on the market, be unique and still play great for the player's desired spec.

I really wish the USA would explode in TT participation so the overall TT market would grow so we can have more of these excellent craftsmen. The established companies would like that too I suppose :) (the market as a whole getting larger)
 
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I can also say that the weight added low is like a counter weight for a big door, not exactly, not even half, but the weight low, some of it is below the axis of turning and acts as a counter-weight.

I think that is another reason why it feels EASIER to me in my style of looping, which by the way, has a LOT of wrist.
 
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What is curious about Der_Echte anyway? He is as interesting as a pile of rocks. :)

A pile of rocks who is fun to play TT with, run hustles with. A pile of rocks who seems to be able to get everyone around him having fun, flexing their muscles after a good kill and saying "By Ya!"


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I said "By-Ya" too damned often after Carl hit a lot of winners by me the first game we played, Carl was too reluctant to show off, so I did it for him.

Carl said I could do whatever I wanted (in the way of offense or control his attack) in a match vs him, but don't be fooled. If you take Carl lightly and are not careful to make quality shots and make the first attack, Carl isn't bashful HE will gladly be the first to attack decisively, then he will flex, kiss hiz bicep, state to the spectators "By-Ya" smiling all the way to the scoreboard for another easy point.
 
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