World Cup 2024

[zeio]

Why would they hide their real age?

Relative age effect. If you've competed as a junior, you'd know events are separated by age, usually U9, U11, U13, U15, U17, and U19.

 

[dingyibvs]

ML's change of tactics is really quite brilliant. He completely changed his style to a modern BH dominant style, starting with the reverse service, then standing near the center of the table as his default ready position for both 3rd ball and service receives, followed by maintaining close to the table. This allowed him to play the ball early and win some points with speed and angles borrowing the speed of the opponent. This also allowed him to play more BH flicks which he did more than usual but still not as much as your typical modern player.

LGY didn't seem to change much, it was just his day. He plays an extremely speed based style, with flatter balls and taking them early. It's a high-risk high-reward style, which lacks stability and consistency, thus the "choking" episodes. When he's on though, he's really on, as no one can keep up with that level of speed except FZD usually. We'll have to see if he can maintain this form against ML tonight.

 

[zeio]

Guys like z will retire a player (especially Japanese female players) when they loose a bit too much against CNT players,

while guys like Chuang Chih Yuan - said something like this when he was world no 3:
No matter what Chinese provincial or national player he encounters, it will always be a very tough match. There will never be easy wins.

五十笑百，自己照吓鏡先啦

See how PTT users felt about CIC "getting slaughtered" by SYS in 2022 that spawned multiple threads. CIC even blamed herself after 2-4 Hayata at Asian Games 2022 for always getting injured when it matters the most, which is exactly why I had a hard time to believe in her despite her having the potential. Her dad said she injured her hand the night before losing to YMY at Tokyo 2020. Should I make another prediction here ahead of Paris 2024? (yet again from an absurdly small sample size)

[心得] 孫穎莎屠殺鄭怡靜
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666413383.A.B9A.html
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666420105.A.CA8.html
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666443288.A.C61.html
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666455132.A.337.html
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666600846.A.4DE.html

 

[Robin0910]

Relative age effect. If you've competed as a junior, you'd know events are separated by age, usually U9, U11, U13, U15, U17, and U19.

So you believe they made fake passports and IDs for the players and they fooled WTT and ITTF? Ridiculous

 

[mcfly]

So you believe they made fake passports and IDs for the players and they fooled WTT and ITTF? Ridiculous

maybe / you can replicate anything and i mean anything

 

[zeio]

So you believe they made fake passports and IDs for the players and they fooled WTT and ITTF? Ridiculous

It's widely known and reported even in China. I wrote about it in 2019 and 2021. ITTF couldn't do anything as they change their age before registration, but CTTA started cracking them down. CTTA ran a strict bone age test for all CNT participants for YOG 2014 held in Nanjing which FZD participated and that was Cai Zhenhua's KPI. Guess what for YOG 2018 which WCQ participated? Nothing as Cai Zhenhua was out the door already.

 

[NextLevel]

I feel like ML just decided to throw caution to the wind and try a completely different style to his usual have. WCQ seemed to have figured out his usual style and ML just couldn't beat him. I did wonder, though, whether ML called ZJK the night before for some backhand tips!

One of the things that I have found fascinating and not so much discussed is the influence of Wang Hao on Ma Long's game on general. Maybe I am completely speculating, but I feel that Ma Long has played with more balance and even in losses more confidence than before. Ma Long lost more but he is still never destroyed in those losses other than vs WCQ. Even the Liang Jingkun loss, I feel Ma Long demonstrated that he clearly still has his pride. Even aging, his period with Wang Hao had been fruitful.

 

[exotick]

Man.. do i wonder what was it on ML's flicks that made WCQ hit so many nets. The one at 0-3 and 12-12 for example. So unusual to do so many mistakes from any top chinese player, let alone WCQ.

 

[Shine]

Not weak per se, but rather not as strong as it appears.

Togami and Tanaka have mentioned how it was easier than they thought to hold rallies with WCQ in interviews after WTTC 2021 and ATTC 2023, respectively.

WCT has also talked about how he was overwhelmed by WCQ in 3rd ball and speed in the first 2 games before finding his way around them after Asian Games 2022. Tieba users even teased WCQ for having trouble to keep up with WCT in rallies.

As I pointed out last week, he becomes more vulnerable if you manage to find a way around his serve. AJH did just that in the group match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mUbHX6FGgs

Easier to hold rallies with "when he's not playing well". He outplayed JWJ, a rally player in the rallies just a few days ago. It comes down to tactics, form and strategy. I'm curious what's the assessment of the players who's had close matches and wins against FZD in the past 2 years. Surely Fan looked easier to hold rallies with in those matches. It's easy to say in retrospect.

 

[NextLevel]

Man.. do i wonder what was it on ML's flicks that made WCQ hit so many nets. The one at 0-3 and 12-12 for example. So unusual to do so many mistakes from any top chinese player, let alone WCQ.

The spin probably just wasn't there. Sometimes, under tension you are looking for spin but maybe ML just didn't contact the ball so great. It's not like many people not named Hugo are flicking WCQ's serves so he probably doesn't feel that a lot in matches.

 

[Robin0910]

The spin probably just wasn't there. Sometimes, under tension you are looking for spin but maybe ML just didn't contact the ball so great. It's not like many people not named Hugo are flicking WCQ's serves so he probably doesn't feel that a lot in matches.

Also, it looked like Ma Long put more side spin on the flick rather than topspin

 

[zeio]

Tbh I always felt that WCQ always relied on his hidden serves and once someone really deciphers them, he is nowhere as strong as Ma Long, Zhang Jike or Fan Zhendong in terms of technical ability. He also tends to hit very flat trajectories which are always a liability in big matches. All the past great champions have huge amounts of arc in their shot to ensure max safety during crucial moments.

But it's an interesting period for sure because Fan Zhendong seems to be a bit lost even when he is having the most advanced topspin technique in the world, and Ma Long's body condition is always a question mark.

As FZD looked back on 2019 in 3/2020, his technique was no longer the most advanced and there were many players capable of playing like him.

https://sports.sina.cn/others/pingpang/2020-03-21/detail-iimxyqwa2182554.d.html

樊振东：“2019年对自己来说确实非常不一样，从小出道一直到2018年，经历的挫折有，但是没有那么疼，没有那么痛彻心扉。2019年不光是输了个世锦赛，而是真真切切能够感觉到世界乒坛的发展和进步。不管是新生代的年轻运动员，还是说整个打法的进步，对我来说都是很大的冲击。自己首先不是最年轻的了，技术也不是最先进。跟自己的打法类似的，凶狠、质量高，现在很多人都能够做到。从这个层面，真真切切感受到压力。这样的压力跟输一次比赛，或者说状态不好，是完全不一样的。而是真正感觉到已经开始厮杀了。”

 

[kindof99]

Who would have expected the final be between Ml and LGY? Who is your pick to Win? Both want the win badly.

 

[PaddyPolar]

Ma Long definately abused the simplest tactic in the game aginst WCQ; one backhand and one wide forehand. You could see that WCQ struggled with any forehand not right where he wanted it.

LGY just used his deceptive placement against Harimoto, especially with his backhand.

Sometimes simple works.

 

[NextLevel]

Who would have expected the final be between Ml and LGY? Who is your pick to Win? Both want the win badly.

Sun Yingsha vs Wang Manyu is more interesting, that's an Olympic Gold preview. Who cares about these World Cup finalist has-beens? .

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

五十笑百，自己照吓鏡先啦

See how PTT users felt about CIC "getting slaughtered" by SYS in 2022 that spawned multiple threads. CIC even blamed herself after 2-4 Hayata at Asian Games 2022 for always getting injured when it matters the most, which is exactly why I had a hard time to believe in her despite her having the potential. Her dad said she injured her hand the night before losing to YMY at Tokyo 2020. Should I make another prediction here ahead of Paris 2024? (yet again from an absurdly small sample size)

[心得] 孫穎莎屠殺鄭怡靜
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666413383.A.B9A.html
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666420105.A.CA8.html
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666443288.A.C61.html
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666455132.A.337.html
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1666600846.A.4DE.html

I think I need to make it clear
I have never once clicked on your gizzion links on TTD, or even at MYTT

I see there is no purpose to go read the whole internet for basic communication.
I don't think anyone here even bothers to click these links - you should do a poll and see who clicks on your links

in fact, I do quite enjoy that everyone is asking you question, and you are providing links everywhere.
you going to spend 24 hours a day just doing the same thing

 

[NextLevel]

Sun Yingsha vs Wang Manyu is more interesting, that's an Olympic Gold preview. Who cares about these World Cup finalist has-beens? .

I kinda nailed it lol. Epic final.

 

[Robin0910]

Commentators keep yapping as usual

 

[Emin]

Does anyone know how the dynamic in the CNT is in terms of asking teammates about an upcoming internal match?

Are they in a position so that LGY can ask WCQ about this match?
Does ML ask FZD about this match?

Do they talk with their personal coaches about this match?

How is their general approach for these kind of things?

Who is taking sides with whom?

Is everyone neutral and they gotta figure it all out by themselves?

Does anyone know?

 

[Emin]

Commentators keep yapping as usual

Yes, agreed.
Its very annoying.

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