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They will end up bringing retired players to the event.
wouldn't that be nice, haha

Jiang Jialiang is still very fit!
Maybe Chuang Chih-Yuan (who is retired from internationals, since he didn't enter for national trials, so giving up his rights to compete international next year).
Korean - RSM!!!
Japan? JM!!!

World:
Savie!!!
Persson
Boll?
Kreanga!!!


must have womens too

Japan - Kashumi Isikawa!!!
China - Deng Yaping

World.....
any suggestions?
 
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Gatien was right and it was 20 years ago already (did you sleep all that time bro ?), what happened? exactly what he asked for: creative training for youth, meaning: exposing kids to senior/adults competitions + the Pole Espoirs system in regions, your province in China: coaches from the FFTT in Paris, Nantes, Montpellier, Wattignies, etc + INSEP.

In addition, they've revised the coaching graduations system. All that with.... 7.4 million €/year, trust me, they've been "creative" :ROFLMAO:That's why you get now more euro youth, specially the romanians, french, poles playing in feeders and contenders, and also pro leagues.

 
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It'd have been nice if you guys cited that things only started to change for the better after FFTT invited Han Hua to join the French team in 2013.

The Chinese coach who teaches table tennis to the world
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202408/02/WS66ac26a1a3104e74fddb8138.html
https://today.line.me/hk/v2/article/9m9Jl3r
The French team, comprised of Gatien, Patrick Chila, Christophe Legout and Damien Eloi, achieved remarkable feats in the World Cup and World Championships.

However, as they retired in the early years of this century, a lull descended on the once-mighty squad, prompting the French Table Tennis Federation to seek a savior in 2013 to restore the nation to its former glory.

Han, with his plentiful experience, coaching acumen and fluency in French, stood out as the ideal candidate.

"From Monday to Saturday, my training regimen in France mirrored the intensity of my days in China," Han says. "I always stood tall during training sessions. No matter how tired I was, I never sat down throughout the six-hour daily session. I came to improve their prowess, so I needed to spare no effort to help them improve as soon as possible."

After three years of relentless dedication, Han finally achieved his goal as the French men's team delivered its most outstanding performance in four decades — Emmanuel Lebesson clinched the men's singles title while Simon Gauzy secured the silver medal at the 2016 European Championships.

After successfully leading the team to the 2016 Rio Olympics, he transitioned into an assistant coaching role, paving the way for aspiring young French coaches.

Un Chinois à la rescousse du tennis de table français
(A Chinese to the rescue of French table tennis)
https://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2014/03/03/1830656-france-un-chinois-a-la-rescousse.html
Depuis la décennie dorée des Gatien, Chila et Eloi en 1990-2000, la France peine à retrouver une place au zénith. Mais la fédération est allée chercher ce qui se fait de mieux pour y parvenir : un entraîneur chinois, un vrai. Han Hua est un atypique. Un Chinois d’un bon mètre 80, au Français hésitant mais correct. Une perle que la fédération chinoise a allouée à son homologue française pour l’olympiade en cours. Avec comme arrière-pensée l’exportation du sport national, tellement dominé par «l’Empire» (4 médailles d’or sur 4 à Londres) que ses résultats en deviennent d’un ennui mortel, lassant public et sponsors.

À l’Insep, où il officie depuis décembre dernier, Han a vite trouvé ses marques et repéré les chantiers prioritaires. Et l’ancien entraîneur des juniors chinois, dont trois sont devenus champions olympiques, n’est pas tendre avec la planification à la Française : «Ici, le programme n’était pas bien fait, le dosage entre phases d’entraînement, de travail physique et de compétition n’était pas respecté.»

En arrivant à Paris, il a d’abord travaillé à rompre avec ces mauvaises habitudes héritées de l’époque bénie : «Les Français ont pris du retard. Ils ont une histoire avec les Gatien (vice-champion olympique en 1992 et champion du monde 1993), Chila (médaillé de bronze en double avec Gatien aux JO-2000), Eloi, Legoût (vice-champions du monde par équipes avec les deux précédents en 1997). Ils sont intelligents mais se sont trop longtemps reposés sur leurs lauriers».
«Le jeu a changé, les Français ne s'en sont pas rendu compte»

«Depuis la fin du XXe siècle, le jeu a changé», souligne l’entraîneur. «Mais c’est comme si les Français ne s’en étaient pas rendu compte. Avant, on attaquait ou on défendait. Maintenant, il faut savoir tout faire. Les plus grands n’ont pas de point faible. Le format des balles a changé, les échanges sont plus longs qu’avant et il faut avoir un bon physique», note-t-il.

Et c’est bien là que la France faillit. En rejoignant l’INSEP, Han Hua a été surpris par le nombre d’internationaux blessés. Mal du pongiste, la tendinite de l’épaule fait des ravages en équipe de France. La faute à un rythme mal engagé, selon Han : «À l’époque faste de l’équipe de France, le physique était moins important. Aujourd’hui, il faut faire de la muscu, des programmes de souplesse et de coordination motrice».

«Un électrochoc»

Du coup, la révolution culturelle est en marche. Les anciens entraîneurs sont partis et les joueurs s’adaptent. Surtout, les héros de la belle époque, passés dans l’encadrement, ont adoubé le nouveau venu. «Eloi, Legout, Chila considèrent que c’est un bon entraîneur. Il parle beaucoup aux joueurs, il est proche d’eux», note le président de la fédération française, Christian Palierne, qui a organisé l’importation du maître durant les derniers Mondiaux disputés à Paris-Bercy, en 2013.

Fraîchement élu, il avait remarqué que le passage des meilleurs cadets et juniors tricolores à la catégorie supérieure était souvent laborieux. «Comme souvent en France, dit-il. On n’avait pas de stratégie bien définie. Il fallait un électrochoc. Il y a des choses qui ne peuvent être dites que par quelqu’un de l’extérieur».

Han Hua, engagé jusqu’à Rio, a des objectifs ambitieux avec la fédération : une médaille à l’Euro par équipes cette année, puis la même aux JO de 2016. Impossible n’est pas chinois ?
Since the golden decade of Gatien, Chila and Eloi in 1990-2000, France has struggled to regain its place at the zenith. But the federation has sought out the best to achieve this: a Chinese coach, a real one. Han Hua is an atypical one. A Chinese man of a good 1.80m, with a hesitant but correct Frenchman. A pearl that the Chinese federation has allocated to his French counterpart for the current Olympiad. With the ulterior motive of exporting the national sport, so dominated by the "Empire" (4 gold medals out of 4 in London) that its results have become deadly boring, tiring the public and sponsors.

At Insep, where he has been officiating since last December, Han has quickly found his marks and identified the priority projects. And the former coach of the Chinese juniors, three of whom became Olympic champions, is not gentle with French planning: "Here, the program was not well done, the balance between training, physical work and competition phases was not respected."

On arriving in Paris, he first worked to break with these bad habits inherited from the blessed era: "The French have fallen behind. They have a history with Gatien (Olympic vice-champion in 1992 and world champion in 1993), Chila (bronze medalist in doubles with Gatien at the 2000 Olympics), Eloi, Legoût (team vice-world champions with the two previous ones in 1997). They are intelligent but have rested on their laurels for too long."

"The game has changed, the French have not realized it"

"Since the end of the 20th century, the game has changed," emphasizes the coach. "But it's as if the French hadn't realized it. Before, we attacked or defended. Now, you have to know how to do everything. The greatest players have no weak points. The format of the balls has changed, the exchanges are longer than before and you have to have a good physique," he notes.

And that's where France is failing. When he joined INSEP, Han Hua was surprised by the number of injured internationals. Table tennis player's disease, shoulder tendinitis is wreaking havoc in the French team. The fault lies in a poorly engaged rhythm, according to Han: "In the heyday of the French team, physique was less important. Today, you have to do muscle building, flexibility and motor coordination programs."

"An electroshock"

As a result, the cultural revolution is underway. The old coaches have left and the players are adapting. Above all, the heroes of the Belle Époque, who had worked in management, have anointed the newcomer. "Eloi, Legout, Chila consider him to be a good coach. He talks a lot to the players, he is close to them," notes the president of the French federation, Christian Palierne, who organized the importation of the master during the last World Championships held in Paris-Bercy, in 2013.

Newly elected, he had noticed that the transition of the best French cadets and juniors to the higher category was often laborious. "As is often the case in France," he says. "We didn't have a well-defined strategy. We needed an electroshock. There are things that can only be said by someone from the outside."


Han Hua, who is committed until Rio, has ambitious goals with the federation: a medal at the Euro team championship this year, then the same at the 2016 Olympics. Impossible is not Chinese?



Han Hua : "Je ressens une grande cohésion, une unité dans cette équipe"
(Han Hua: "I feel a great cohesion, a unity in this team")
https://www.tennis-de-table.com/han-hua-ressens-grande-cohesion-unite-cette-equipe/

Tennis de table: Han Hua, un envoyé très spécial pour l'équipe de France - 28/04
(Table tennis: Han Hua, a very special envoy for the French team - 04/28)
 
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wouldn't that be nice, haha

Jiang Jialiang is still very fit!
Maybe Chuang Chih-Yuan (who is retired from internationals, since he didn't enter for national trials, so giving up his rights to compete international next year).
Korean - RSM!!!
Japan? JM!!!

World:
Savie!!!
Persson
Boll?
Kreanga!!!


must have womens too

Japan - Kashumi Isikawa!!!
China - Deng Yaping

World.....
any suggestions?
Damien Eloi, every tournament needs his bad temper guy a la french.
Christophe Legout, still running marathons mind you (3h15 in New York when he was 41, no bad...lol), he's hella fit for his 51 !

Womens...
Otilia Badescu,in her 50s now (?) she was a mixed double european champion with Ilia Lupulesku, they were the best enemies to Gatien and
Xiaoming Wang-Drechou, back in competition in 2022 at 59 (!) the Ni XiaLan effect ?
Tamara Boros of course,
Csilla Batorfi
Valentina Popova cos'... Jacques Secrétin(RIP): they both won mixed double euro too in the 80's or so, don't remember exactly.
 
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It'd have been nice if you guys cited that things only started to change for the better after FFTT invited Han Hua to join the French team in 2013.

The Chinese coach who teaches table tennis to the world
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202408/02/WS66ac26a1a3104e74fddb8138.html
https://today.line.me/hk/v2/article/9m9Jl3r


Un Chinois à la rescousse du tennis de table français
(A Chinese to the rescue of French table tennis)
https://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2014/03/03/1830656-france-un-chinois-a-la-rescousse.html

Since the golden decade of Gatien, Chila and Eloi in 1990-2000, France has struggled to regain its place at the zenith. But the federation has sought out the best to achieve this: a Chinese coach, a real one. Han Hua is an atypical one. A Chinese man of a good 1.80m, with a hesitant but correct Frenchman. A pearl that the Chinese federation has allocated to his French counterpart for the current Olympiad. With the ulterior motive of exporting the national sport, so dominated by the "Empire" (4 gold medals out of 4 in London) that its results have become deadly boring, tiring the public and sponsors.

At Insep, where he has been officiating since last December, Han has quickly found his marks and identified the priority projects. And the former coach of the Chinese juniors, three of whom became Olympic champions, is not gentle with French planning: "Here, the program was not well done, the balance between training, physical work and competition phases was not respected."

On arriving in Paris, he first worked to break with these bad habits inherited from the blessed era: "The French have fallen behind. They have a history with Gatien (Olympic vice-champion in 1992 and world champion in 1993), Chila (bronze medalist in doubles with Gatien at the 2000 Olympics), Eloi, Legoût (team vice-world champions with the two previous ones in 1997). They are intelligent but have rested on their laurels for too long."

"The game has changed, the French have not realized it"

"Since the end of the 20th century, the game has changed," emphasizes the coach. "But it's as if the French hadn't realized it. Before, we attacked or defended. Now, you have to know how to do everything. The greatest players have no weak points. The format of the balls has changed, the exchanges are longer than before and you have to have a good physique," he notes.

And that's where France is failing. When he joined INSEP, Han Hua was surprised by the number of injured internationals. Table tennis player's disease, shoulder tendinitis is wreaking havoc in the French team. The fault lies in a poorly engaged rhythm, according to Han: "In the heyday of the French team, physique was less important. Today, you have to do muscle building, flexibility and motor coordination programs."

"An electroshock"

As a result, the cultural revolution is underway. The old coaches have left and the players are adapting. Above all, the heroes of the Belle Époque, who had worked in management, have anointed the newcomer. "Eloi, Legout, Chila consider him to be a good coach. He talks a lot to the players, he is close to them," notes the president of the French federation, Christian Palierne, who organized the importation of the master during the last World Championships held in Paris-Bercy, in 2013.

Newly elected, he had noticed that the transition of the best French cadets and juniors to the higher category was often laborious. "As is often the case in France," he says. "We didn't have a well-defined strategy. We needed an electroshock. There are things that can only be said by someone from the outside."


Han Hua, who is committed until Rio, has ambitious goals with the federation: a medal at the Euro team championship this year, then the same at the 2016 Olympics. Impossible is not Chinese?



Han Hua : "Je ressens une grande cohésion, une unité dans cette équipe"
(Han Hua: "I feel a great cohesion, a unity in this team")
https://www.tennis-de-table.com/han-hua-ressens-grande-cohesion-unite-cette-equipe/

Tennis de table: Han Hua, un envoyé très spécial pour l'équipe de France - 28/04
(Table tennis: Han Hua, a very special envoy for the French team - 04/28)
He failed at both team events in Europe and Rio, Christian Palierne is now out of the FFTT (field hockey physio), the real electroschock came from Gilles Erb who gave the opportunity to the Lebruns. I mean... Han Hua never came to Montpellier, and the Lebruns mostly did training camps in Japan, they never got in touch with any chinese coach.
Nathanael Molin was not in the Direction Technique Nationale in 2017, the pandemic changed many things

"La Fédération Française de Tennis de Table peine à obtenir des résultats convaincants au regard des objectifs fixés par le président Christian Palierne au début de ses deux mandatures. Pour ne citer que quelques exemples, le nombre de nos adhérents n’en finit pas de chuter, le pourcentage de nos féminines stagne péniblement (19%), le budget est contraint, les résultats sportifs, malgré une légère embellie, tardent à satisfaire les amoureux du tennis de table, … Au-delà de ces indicateurs et en l’absence d’un projet clair et fédérateur pour la période 2016-2020, « l’écosystème fédéral » est perclus de divisions, de clans et de combats personnels, brisant toute possibilité d’actions efficaces et entamant fortement la crédibilité de la fédération à l’égard des partenaires institutionnels et du mouvement sportif et olympique.
Face à ce constat alarmant, j’ai réalisé 130 entretiens téléphoniques entre les mois de février et septembre 2019. Ils m’ont convaincu à la fois des fortes attentes de changement et du bien-fondé de ma démarche. Porté par ma passion du tennis de table et soutenu par de nombreuses personnalités représentatives de tous les territoires et de toutes les fonctions, j’ai décidé de présenter ma candidature à la présidence de la FFTT.
Dans une période propice aux débats d’idées marquée par la réforme territoriale, l’évolution indispensable de la gouvernance de nos instances, la création de l’Agence Nationale du Sport, et l’élection à la Présidence de la FFTT programmée le 6 décembre 2020, il me semble opportun de nourrir la réflexion avec les territoires et les acteurs de toute nature sur les grands sujets liés à l’avenir de notre discipline sportive.
Pour mieux comprendre vos préoccupations et vos besoins, pour mieux m’imprégner de vos spécificités locales, pour vous permettre de vous exprimer sur divers sujets, pour mieux nous connaître, je vous propose un site internet en guise de plateforme de débats. Avec mon équipe, nous lancerons jusqu’aux élections des chroniques, des propositions qui seront autant d’opportunités d’échanges. Libre à vous de lire, de réagir, de proposer, de témoigner pour dégager des pistes de réflexion susceptibles d’inspirer un projet fédéral innovant pour notre tennis de table hexagonal. Un projet porteur d’espoir, que nous écrirons au premier trimestre 2020, et qui se voudra mobilisateur en s’appuyant sur les forces, les réussites et la capacité d’imagination de nos clubs et de nos territoires. Cette plateforme est aussi le moyen de rassembler la France pongiste et d’afficher votre soutien.
Ensemble, osons le changement !
Au plaisir de vous lire…
Gilles Erb "

The French Table Tennis Federation is struggling to achieve convincing results in light of the objectives set by President Christian Palierne at the beginning of his two terms. To cite just a few examples, the number of our members continues to fall, the percentage of our women is painfully stagnating (19%), the budget is constrained, the sporting results, despite a slight improvement, are slow to satisfy table tennis lovers, ... Beyond these indicators and in the absence of a clear and unifying project for the period 2016-2020, the "federal ecosystem" is riddled with divisions, clans and personal fights, breaking any possibility of effective actions and seriously undermining the credibility of the federation with regard to institutional partners and the sports and Olympic movement. Faced with this alarming observation, I conducted 130 telephone interviews between February and September 2019. They convinced me of both the strong expectations for change and the merits of my approach. Driven by my passion for table tennis and supported by many personalities representing all territories and all functions, I decided to present my candidacy for the presidency of the FFTT. In a period conducive to debates of ideas marked by the territorial reform, the essential evolution of the governance of our bodies, the creation of the National Sports Agency, and the election to the Presidency of the FFTT scheduled for December 6, 2020, it seems appropriate to me to nourish the reflection with the territories and stakeholders of all kinds on the major subjects linked to the future of our sporting discipline. To better understand your concerns and needs, to better immerse myself in your local specificities, to allow you to express yourselves on various subjects, to know us better, I propose a website as a platform for debates. With my team, we will launch until the elections chronicles, proposals that will be as many opportunities for exchanges. You are free to read, react, propose, testify to identify avenues of reflection likely to inspire an innovative federal project for our hexagonal table tennis. A project full of hope, which we will write in the first quarter of 2020, and which will aim to mobilize by drawing on the strengths, successes and capacity for imagination of our clubs and our territories. This platform is also the means to bring together table tennis France and show your support. Together, let's dare to change! Looking forward to reading you... Gilles Erb
 
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funny how when France on the rise, chinese fans want to say it is because of chinese influence.
i'm sure we all know by now the lebrun brother rise have little to do with chinese coaching or training.
you can't say because felix use chinese penhold, so you holding that word of chinese...
it is something very difficult to debate against chinese table tennis fans when they over patriotic 🙈 :ROFLMAO:

okok, china helped many countries.
so, how will cnt remain a force in WTT 2025?
80 players taking part in 2024, the win loss is terrible despite a dozen
 
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funny how when France on the rise, chinese fans want to say it is because of chinese influence.
i'm sure we all know by now the lebrun brother rise have little to do with chinese coaching or training.
you can't say because felix use chinese penhold, so you holding that word of chinese...
it is something very difficult to debate against chinese table tennis fans when they over patriotic 🙈 :ROFLMAO:

okok, china helped many countries.
so, how will cnt remain a force in WTT 2025?
80 players taking part in 2024, the win loss is terrible despite a dozen
Also, the National Sport Agency creation in 2021 benefited to the men and women teams, with all those aids


 
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Also, the National Sport Agency creation in 2021 benefited to the men and women teams, with all those aids


I spotted some juniors from 2016, France has been doing very well in the junior circuit, so I am no surprised on the depth

same time, CNT b team has been very shaky from 2016 onwards.
so it will be very interesting to see how much more talent comes out of Europe and France.

I am happy European table tennis level is on the rise. It isn't just 1 or 2 players, but a dozen now.
 
Damien Eloi, every tournament needs his bad temper guy a la french.
Christophe Legout, still running marathons mind you (3h15 in New York when he was 41, no bad...lol), he's hella fit for his 51 !

Womens...
Otilia Badescu,in her 50s now (?) she was a mixed double european champion with Ilia Lupulesku, they were the best enemies to Gatien and
Xiaoming Wang-Drechou, back in competition in 2022 at 59 (!) the Ni XiaLan effect ?
Tamara Boros of course,
Csilla Batorfi
Valentina Popova cos'... Jacques Secrétin(RIP): they both won mixed double euro too in the 80's or so, don't remember exactly.
And Vincent Purkart there for the dry humour...:LOL:
 
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No continental points for the Finals will be a major problem for Europe, again this will be terrible. The ETTC are always on October each year, means the best athletes won't play it to stay fresh before the european Champions and the Finals. Wrong move. No Dan Qiu, no Franziska, no Bros, no Truls, no Darko :(
 
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It'd have been nice if you guys cited that things only started to change for the better after FFTT invited Han Hua to join the French team in 2013.

The Chinese coach who teaches table tennis to the world
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202408/02/WS66ac26a1a3104e74fddb8138.html
https://today.line.me/hk/v2/article/9m9Jl3r


Un Chinois à la rescousse du tennis de table français
(A Chinese to the rescue of French table tennis)
https://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2014/03/03/1830656-france-un-chinois-a-la-rescousse.html

Since the golden decade of Gatien, Chila and Eloi in 1990-2000, France has struggled to regain its place at the zenith. But the federation has sought out the best to achieve this: a Chinese coach, a real one. Han Hua is an atypical one. A Chinese man of a good 1.80m, with a hesitant but correct Frenchman. A pearl that the Chinese federation has allocated to his French counterpart for the current Olympiad. With the ulterior motive of exporting the national sport, so dominated by the "Empire" (4 gold medals out of 4 in London) that its results have become deadly boring, tiring the public and sponsors.

At Insep, where he has been officiating since last December, Han has quickly found his marks and identified the priority projects. And the former coach of the Chinese juniors, three of whom became Olympic champions, is not gentle with French planning: "Here, the program was not well done, the balance between training, physical work and competition phases was not respected."

On arriving in Paris, he first worked to break with these bad habits inherited from the blessed era: "The French have fallen behind. They have a history with Gatien (Olympic vice-champion in 1992 and world champion in 1993), Chila (bronze medalist in doubles with Gatien at the 2000 Olympics), Eloi, Legoût (team vice-world champions with the two previous ones in 1997). They are intelligent but have rested on their laurels for too long."

"The game has changed, the French have not realized it"

"Since the end of the 20th century, the game has changed," emphasizes the coach. "But it's as if the French hadn't realized it. Before, we attacked or defended. Now, you have to know how to do everything. The greatest players have no weak points. The format of the balls has changed, the exchanges are longer than before and you have to have a good physique," he notes.

And that's where France is failing. When he joined INSEP, Han Hua was surprised by the number of injured internationals. Table tennis player's disease, shoulder tendinitis is wreaking havoc in the French team. The fault lies in a poorly engaged rhythm, according to Han: "In the heyday of the French team, physique was less important. Today, you have to do muscle building, flexibility and motor coordination programs."

"An electroshock"

As a result, the cultural revolution is underway. The old coaches have left and the players are adapting. Above all, the heroes of the Belle Époque, who had worked in management, have anointed the newcomer. "Eloi, Legout, Chila consider him to be a good coach. He talks a lot to the players, he is close to them," notes the president of the French federation, Christian Palierne, who organized the importation of the master during the last World Championships held in Paris-Bercy, in 2013.

Newly elected, he had noticed that the transition of the best French cadets and juniors to the higher category was often laborious. "As is often the case in France," he says. "We didn't have a well-defined strategy. We needed an electroshock. There are things that can only be said by someone from the outside."


Han Hua, who is committed until Rio, has ambitious goals with the federation: a medal at the Euro team championship this year, then the same at the 2016 Olympics. Impossible is not Chinese?



Han Hua : "Je ressens une grande cohésion, une unité dans cette équipe"
(Han Hua: "I feel a great cohesion, a unity in this team")
https://www.tennis-de-table.com/han-hua-ressens-grande-cohesion-unite-cette-equipe/

Tennis de table: Han Hua, un envoyé très spécial pour l'équipe de France - 28/04
(Table tennis: Han Hua, a very special envoy for the French team - 04/28)
As poppa mentioned, the Lebruns have developed in Montpellier, outside of the Insep system located in Paris. I don't think he's had much to do with their results.

It may have been Lebesson who benefited most from his time in the French staff. I'm not particularly well informed but I don't have the impression he has had a great influence overall.
 
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