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a pity HT couldn't win back to back, but at least he won the one with more points.
not sure how much of the doubles final has affected his singles performance, with just over 30 mins in between to really just change clothes and rest.
now some well deserved rest time for him, until Singapore which is just around the corner.

PS. I don't agree with doubles and singles on the same day. especially why have back to back finals on a very empty schedule last day
Not too much time to rest because he has the All Japan (1/21-1/26) before the Singapore Smash (1/30-2/9). That goes for all the top Japanese men and women. Fortunately, the Main Draw for the Smash doesn't start until 2/2 so there is a little bit of a cushion.
 
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Not too much time to rest because he has the All Japan (1/21-1/26) before the Singapore Smash (1/30-2/9). That goes for all the top Japanese men and women. Fortunately, the Main Draw for the Smash doesn't start until 2/2 so there is a little bit of a cushion.
yeah, these 4 days in between, and another 6 days after is like luxury, considering HT record number of tournaments in 2024.
This is something that CNT players don't understand, haha
 
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Very happy for Chen Yuanyu! He’s stepping up when Xiang Peng couldn’t and delivered a fantastic performance.

Do you know what blade CYY playing at WTT Muscat 2025.

Thank you sir.
He’s playing with a golden Viscaria with H3N Blue sponge on forehand and most likely D09C Bh
 
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a pity HT couldn't win back to back, but at least he won the one with more points.
not sure how much of the doubles final has affected his singles performance, with just over 30 mins in between to really just change clothes and rest.
now some well deserved rest time for him, until Singapore which is just around the corner.

PS. I don't agree with doubles and singles on the same day. especially why have back to back finals on a very empty schedule last day
Seems like tournament schedules will be tighter this year which would make sense with the first full calendar, but it results in players having more matches on a single day depending on their success.
 
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You are so full of it. The medal that got the bonus, Wang Yidi wasn't involved as well? Sun Yingsha having lost to PRK KKY and pulling out of the singles and not looking good in her next full event, was 100%? Hirano beat Chen Xingtong, who was the China #5 and only summoned because of the retirement of Chen Meng and the absence of Wang Manyu? These are the kinds of nonsense you would be bringing up if Hayata did it bur because Hirano is on the team, you just can't help yourself.

The achievements are the achievements. Hirano couldn't beat Shin Yubin to get into the medal round. The Hayata that couldn't manage herself beat the same Shin for a bronze medal. You just like to cherry pick and misinterpret stuff to support your agenda. Thankfully, readers here know far better.
This coming from the very person who keeps "bailing out" Matsushima (貸款 as Tieba users aptly put it), you sure are one to talk.

Harimoto and Mizutani couldn't have made themselves more clear. What part of "winning all the way" do you not understand? Miwa beat WYD (2nd win) and then SYS (1st win) with Hirano closing it out against CXT (1st win). That's winning all the way and against all odds. I'm tired of repeating myself. Find me an example where Hayata did that in the Paris 2024 cycle like Hirano did (1, 2), will you?

As I last pointed out back in 10/2024, both Hirano and Hayata have faults and yet some of you choose to conveniently overlook the ones for Hayata in XD and WT, the latter of which Murakami couldn't help but note (1, 2) as well. That's 4 (former and current teammates and coach) against Hayata. They must have an agenda by your reasoning.
 
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Wen Ruibo and Zhou Qihao were planned to be in both Doha and Muscat. Both had to withdraw due to minor injuries if I’m not mistaken.
I assume, it was too late for changes to the planned 6 player Lineup.
Injury and sickness are the two excuses that CNT uses for manipulation quite often.
 
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This coming from the very person who keeps "bailing out" Matsushima (貸款 as Tieba users aptly put it), you sure are one to talk.

Harimoto and Mizutani couldn't have made themselves more clear. What part of "winning all the way" do you not understand? Miwa beat WYD (2nd win) and then SYS (1st win) with Hirano closing it out against CXT (1st win). That's winning all the way and against all odds. I'm tired of repeating myself. Find me an example where Hayata did that in the Paris 2024 cycle like Hirano did (1, 2), will you?

As I last pointed out back in 10/2024, both Hirano and Hayata have faults and yet some of you choose to conveniently overlook the ones for Hayata in XD and WT, the latter of which Murakami couldn't help but note (1, 2) as well. That's 4 (former and current teammates and coach) against Hayata. They must have an agenda by your reasoning.
Again, looking past the fact that Wang Yidi was involved and that there was no Wang Manyu or Chen Meng. Looking past the fact that Sun Yingsha was not in good form. Continue to cherrypick your facts when it suits. Or just accept the results for what they are and agree that by medals and titles, Hayata is still the most accomplished singles player from Japan of this era.

No one is overlooking any facts, it is just silly to say Hayata dumb this, Hirano genius that when the results and accomplishments are only discernable by clever dick hairsplitting that only you and purported Tieba users can divine.

Matsushima is 17. Anyone who wants to complain about and give up a 17 year old probably has no children.
 
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No zeio.. that's your interpretation of what they said. When you actually look at what they said, it's clear they do think highly of Hayata's win over WYD. These are from your links:

Harimoto: Even among the women, it's amazing that Hayata-san (Hina Hayata/Nippon Life Insurance Company) defeated Wang Yidi (China), but there is Sun Yingsha (China), and after that, Chen Meng (China) is waiting​

Sayaka Hirano:​
--The women's team final at the World Championships saw Japan corner China right up to the final match, raising expectations that Japan might finally change history.​
"That's true. But it wasn't that surprising to me. I watched the Asian Games held in September and October last year at the venue and felt that the distance between Japan and China was changing a little. At that time, Hayata Hina won the women's singles semi-finals in an individual match against Wang Yidi in a full game, and in the doubles quarter-finals, the pair of Harimoto Miwa and Kihara Miyu won against former world champion pair Sun Yingsha and Wang Manyu with a game count of 3-1.​
Mizutani (critical but also praises Hayata):​
It felt like Hayata had "reached the bare minimum" when she beat Wang Yidi, who was ranked third in the world (then/now) and was China's fourth-ranked player, in the quarterfinals of the women's singles. --Hayata won the full game, and the final game was 21 to 19, an impossible score in the 11-point table tennis system. Mizutani: You've really gotten strong in the last year or two. You've been consistently performing well since the first qualifying tournament in March last year, and this was your first time beating a Chinese player on the big stage of the World Championships. I think Hayata is the most stable and powerful Japanese woman right now. --She is also leading the women's Paris Olympic qualifying points, with a huge lead of 185.5 points over runner-up Hirano Miu. What do you think is the biggest improvement in her play? Mizutani: Her backhand . In her match against Wang Yidi, there weren't many scenes where she scored points with her forehand, and she scored a lot with her backhand. But there are parts where I think she could have won more easily if she had used her strong forehand. Hayata's forehand is so powerful that even male players can't get it.​

So Harimoto says it was amazing Hayata beat WYD. Sayaka Hirano says she wasn't surprised at Japan's success against China at the 2024 WTTTC (where Hayata beat CM btw) because at the Asian Games she witnessed Hayata beat WYD. And even though Mizutani says it's the bare minimum, he goes on to praise Hayata for how stable and powerful she has become as Japan TT Women's leader.
All this (mis)quoting and still not a proper counter-argument on why Mizutani started his response with "This may be a bit harsh, but I think it's the bare minimum. Hayata's victory in the WS QF against WYD, who was ranked 3rd in the world (then/now) and is essentially China's 4th-ranked player, gave the impression that she had "reached the bare minimum."

Same with Harimoto who started his response with "I may beat 1 Chinese player and finish top 4, but I haven't made it all the way to the end. Even among the women, it's amazing that Hayata-san (Hina Hayata/Nippon Life Insurance Company) defeated Wang Yidi (China), but there is Sun Yingsha (China), and after that, Chen Meng (China) is waiting, so there are 3 walls."
 
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Again, looking past the fact that Wang Yidi was involved and that there was no Wang Manyu or Chen Meng. Looking past the fact that Sun Yingsha was not in good form. Continue to cherrypick your facts when it suits. Or just accept the results for what they are and agree that by medals and titles, Hayata is still the most accomplished singles player from Japan of this era.

No one is overlooking any facts, it is just silly to say Hayata dumb this, Hirano genius that when the results and accomplishments are only discernable by clever dick hairsplitting that only you and purported Tieba users can divine.

Matsushima is 17. Anyone who wants to complain about and give up a 17 year old probably has no children.
Reproducing my posts below.

2024/10/10
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/attc-2024-astana-10-7-13.34886/post-484429
Also because China sent their D and E players. Miwa and Hirano have already achieved breakthroughs though for winning their first team tie against CNT and first match against CXT respectively.
I'd argue they sent their A- team, plus their best up-and-coming (but actually not young) players. WMY was supposed to be here and only CM is sitting this one out. In a nutshell, 天時、地利、人和 and 時也、運也、命也。
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天時、地利、人和 = Right time, right place, and right people
時也、運也、命也 = Time, luck and fate

2024/10/10
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/attc-2024-astana-10-7-13.34886/post-484436
This is JPN's best chance to win. They are the ABC team.
WT F
JPN 3-1 CHN
M1 Harimoto 3-2 WYD (-7, 7, 6, -8, 9)
G5 83, 89, 119
M2 Ito 0-3 SYS (-10, -6, -5)
M3 Hirano 3-1 CXT (9, -10, 10, 4)
First win for Hirano
M4 Harimoto 3-2 SYS (-9, -6, 8, 7, 6)
G5 96, 106 endline edge for Harimoto, 116
First win for Harimoto
M5 Ito vs WYD ()

Ito can retire. As good as useless. Forget WR1, which is just pure greed. Just settle with Asian Team Champion.
Hayata needs to reflect on this. Could she have done it even when she was healthy?

2024/11/19
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ll-play-for-another-4-years.35128/post-493637
In a Mizuno event on the 12th, Hirano revealed the reasoning behind the lineup for WT F at ATTC 2024. It turns out she picked the 3rd match on purpose when asked by Watanabe, not because she wanted to run away, but because she had defeated SYS and WYD before but never CXT, therefore she wanted to defeat her as well, and that it turned out to be a good decision as she delivered.
 
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Reproducing my posts below.

2024/10/10
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/attc-2024-astana-10-7-13.34886/post-484429

Note:
天時、地利、人和 = Right time, right place, and right people
時也、運也、命也 = Time, luck and fate

2024/10/10
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/attc-2024-astana-10-7-13.34886/post-484436


2024/11/19
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ll-play-for-another-4-years.35128/post-493637
And your posts prove that Hayata is not the most titled singles player of her generation? Or that Hirano's being smarter helped her beat Shin Yubin at the Olympics? You seem to misunderstand the point that you are being accused of - selectively citing other facts doesn't affect that.
 
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What do you mean F Lebrun - WCQ and LSD 0-0 head to head? He’s played them both several times
Got interrupted during writing and posted without double-checking. Fixed.
 
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what makes you say that? have you been following his career? do you even know him before this tournament?
I did know him before this tournament, been following him since his second place at the 2022 youths.

Chen is a big prospect of the CNT. While his performances have been unspectacular after that youth final, he has taken lots of top players close or even beaten them. The shortcomings of Xiang Peng along with his age make me believe the CNT are starting to lose faith in him, and will now turn to those sub 20 age players. When Ruibo is top of the list imo for most focus on development for CNT, but now CYY also should be considered after his amazing performance this tournament. He’s been on a good run of form since his Feeder Düsseldorf win in late 2024 and with him competing against same age Huang Youzheng for the second point of focus, I think Chen brings a strong case to be a priority for the CNT to develop.
 
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Watched the final between Harimoto and Chen. I'm pretty impressed by Chen's playing style and performance. Chen has the smoothest transition from backhand to forehand among current Chinese rosters, reminding me one of prime Ma Long's major weapons. Chen's backhand is no way near that of Lin Shidong but fast with good placement. He doesn't over play the backhand. Once he executes a quality backhand, he immediately pivots to his forehand and launches a fast low arc loop scoring a point in most cases. Chen's forehand loop doesn't have the absolute power like FZD or LJK, but very consistent with good placement and decent pace. Unlike fellow forehand oriented player XP, Chen has better backhand that can score him some points and set his forehand.

Of course, there still is a long way for him to reach the top tier or even secure a solid footing in the second tier, but by scoring a clean win against Harimoto definitely boosted his confidence and his position in Chinese coaches' eyes. How he will perform in the next couple of events is going to weigh a lot for his career.
 
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And Harimoto's record against Felix especially and Truls secondarily? Beating China isn't everything as Felix. Hugo and Truls have proven - you have to beat everyone else in front of you as well.
True. So what about Felix's record against Duda (3W1L, last two for Duda at ETTC 2024 and WTT F 2024) or QD (4W2L, last one for QD at WTT CS Chongqing 2024)? I even kept track of his progress versus QD.

And Moregard's record against Omar Assar (2W1L, last one for Moregard at Paris 2024), Felix (3W1L) and Alexis (4W4L, last two for Alexis at ETTC 2024 and WTT CS Montpellier 2024)? Even WCT (1W0L at WTTC 2024) gave him hell. Not to mention Jorgic (3W4L, last one for Moregard at WTT CS Montpellier 2024).

Harimoto's record against Felix (4W0L, XTWC 2023 for Harimoto not counted), Moregard (2W1L) and Kallberg (5W5L) doesn't sound that bad by comparison, does it? Faulting Harimoto for this isn't that different from faulting Hirano. Like Hayata said back in 12/2023, she changed how she played in order to beat China's top 3 and in doing so may beat them but lose to other players. (see quote below) After nearly losing to SXN and Szocs before getting creamed by an injured WMY at WTT CS Frankfurt 2023, losing to Miwa for the first time at Zennoh Cup Osaka 2023 and then playing like crap at XTWC 2023, she immediately reverted back to her old game.

Also remember what people said about LYJ back at Tokyo 2020 and in 2024?

https://web.archive.org/web/2024012...4712600010&w=P11xObo7dKzIUdIH9s9ICDv1QhtJ72iw (12/02/2023 at 12:57pm)
Speak of the devil. Hayata's in-depth interview with Table Tennis Kingdom.
「オリンピックに出ることが目標ではなくて、オリンピックで金メダルを獲ることが目標」。早田ひな、決意のモデルチェンジ
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/139493

On day 1 of Zennoh Cup Osaka, Hayata says she barely beat WYD twice in a row and she had a rough idea where she stood. Yet, the match against WMY at WTT CS Frankfurt 2023 gave her a reality check even more than playing against SYS and CM. Realizing that she will not win gold at Paris 2024 at this rate and in order to beat China's top 3, she has changed how she plays (been 2 weeks) to reach higher and become World No. 1. She points out that in doing so she may be able to beat the top 3 but may lose to other players. (so like Hirano) Because of that, she may lose to someone here but she has to do it to become World No. 1.
 
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And your posts prove that Hayata is not the most titled singles player of her generation? Or that Hirano's being smarter helped her beat Shin Yubin at the Olympics? You seem to misunderstand the point that you are being accused of - selectively citing other facts doesn't affect that.
Who is questioning that? The point of contention has always been winning all the way by going through multiple core CNT players like Harimoto and Mizutani said. Find me an example already.
 
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Who is questioning that? The point of contention has always been winning all the way by going through multiple core CNT players like Harimoto and Mizutani said. Find me an example already.
Ah okay. So for you, only China matters, the others do not. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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Ah okay. So for you, only China matters, the others do not. Thanks for the clarification.
Oh, please. FUJII Hiroko also made a comment just ahead of WTT F Fukuoka 2024 in November on Odo (a late bloomer like Hayata), Miwa (specifically pointing out that she wouldn't lose to or collapse against top CNT players easily) and Hayata (that she is like Ishikawa after Rio 2016 and wants to revolutionize her table tennis even if it means ditching her current style). That's 5 against Hayata.
 
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Oh, please. FUJII Hiroko also made a comment just ahead of WTT F Fukuoka 2024 in November on Odo (a late bloomer like Hayata), Miwa (specifically pointing out that she wouldn't lose to or collapse against top CNT players easily) and Hayata (that she is like Ishikawa after Rio 2016 and wants to revolutionize her table tennis even if it means ditching her current style). That's 5 against Hayata.
Stop speaking to yourself. No one has said that only beating China matters because losing to anyone else has consequences. Hayata is the most accomplished Japanese singles table tennis player of her generation. Yet you hold up someone far less accomplished as the person to be respected. So again, can you confirm that for you, only beating China matters? And that because of that, it makes sense to denigrate someone who won the medal even when injured over someone who could not beat a non-Chinese opponent to get into the medal round?
 
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