WTT Star Contender Muscat 2025 Nov 17-22

[PoppaChubby]

I hope this poster can explain how Alexis, Coton, Poret, and Bardet did “not get that good so fast” lol.

I am the poster and the ETTTC proved me right, NextLevel please, you're a moderator now, so start moderating yourself and give names please: "yes it's PoppaChuuby who told me that because I said I knew nothing about I'm not french", instead of being an idiot like that.

And I completely assume my words: people here on TTD never talk about the Pro A, the development of french players, even Tony knew nothing before coming to France lately. They suddenly discovered France was doing great with young players, so they said "Gauzy out, poret and Coton in"

What did Gauzy this year ? (and you told me NextLevel during the ETTC my bets were right): he worked his arse off, came from the over top 50 to the top 20 in less that a year, at 31 now.

Plus I said that Poret was not that good in doubles, Coton is that's for sure, but he's still young, developping, Gauzy is experienced, and you need a mix between young and experienced players to win. Like Ovidiu Ionescu for Romania for example, every team does that on purpose, you never bring 3 young players in any team event, it's just stupid, you always bring at least 1 experienced and older player.

Bardet... let me laugh a bit: he's already 24, and as Picard said recently: the french staff now only pays the expenses and charges for the first 5 ones, because french governments have done shit with the national budget and the FFTT yearly budget is only 10 million € now. He's been able to take advantage of the terrible conditions in Las vegas. AC put to the max, wooden floor influencing the quality of ball's rebound. When that happens, it has a levelling effect, top players play worse, those that are supposed to be weaker then have an advantage. You see that in football at qualifications matches for the World Cup during 1 year and a half: the weaker countries that plays at home always use a terrible field to use that levelling effect to counter the top 10 teams that play fast. You can play fast as you want on a poor field, then defense is advantaged, bringing momentum for the weaker team.

And that's what happened with Bardet in Las Vegas. What has he done after Las Vegas ? not that good right ? only 2 wins in 11 matches.

Poret has a foot injury now. The problem with you guys is that you instantly put young players on a pedestal when they do some great things. But the reality of the situation is not that easy: Benjamin Faraji is struggling now in the WTT and the 2.Bundesliga, Coton for sure is coming, but is still lacks experience, and noneless than Gauzy showed him at the last french nationals how it is to use skullduggery in the round of 16. Coton is too kind for now, not experienced enough to use those Gauzy's mental ways to influence a match and reverse it to your advantage when things go wrong.

So yeah, you know nothing about what happens with those people, as I know nothing about what's happening for other countries cos' I'm not an insider in those.

 

[PoppaChubby]

You don't understand french do ya ? let me explain what happened: here Gauzy played the victim, Coton said "the umpire decides" but... 2 seconds later, being a kind ... too kind teenager, he asks the umpire to undo/replay the point, 8-8 back to 8-7.

He said one thing to Gauzy, and then the opposite, to avoid problems. You can't put a too kind player doing those things in a team event yet, not enough experienced. Gauzy played the victim, whining, and he got what he wanted !

 

[NextLevel]

I am the poster and the ETTTC proved me right, NextLevel please, you're a moderator now, so start moderating yourself and give names please: "yes it's PoppaChuuby who told me that because I said I knew nothing about I'm not french", instead of being an idiot like that.

And I completely assume my words: people here on TTD never talk about the Pro A, the development of french players, even Tony knew nothing before coming to France lately. They suddenly discovered France was doing great with young players, so they said "Gauzy out, poret and Coton in"

What did Gauzy this year ? (and you told me NextLevel during the ETTC my bets were right): he worked his arse off, came from the over top 50 to the top 20 in less that a year, at 31 now.

Plus I said that Poret was not that good in doubles, Coton is that's for sure, but he's still young, developping, Gauzy is experienced, and you need a mix between young and experienced players to win. Like Ovidiu Ionescu for Romania for example, every team does that on purpose, you never bring 3 young players in any team event, it's just stupid, you always bring at least 1 experienced and older player.

Bardet... let me laugh a bit: he's already 24, and as Picard said recently: the french staff now only pays the expenses and charges for the first 5 ones, because french governments have done shit with the national budget and the FFTT yearly budget is only 10 million € now. He's been able to take advantage of the terrible conditions in Las vegas. AC put to the max, wooden floor influencing the quality of ball's rebound. When that happens, it has a levelling effect, top players play worse, those that are supposed to be weaker then have an advantage. You see that in football at qualifications matches for the World Cup during 1 year and a half: the weaker countries that plays at home always use a terrible field to use that levelling effect to counter the top 10 teams that play fast. You can play fast as you want on a poor field, then defense is advantaged, bringing momentum for the weaker team.

And that's what happened with Bardet in Las Vegas. What has he done after Las Vegas ? not that good right ? only 2 wins in 11 matches.

Poret has a foot injury now. The problem with you guys is that you instantly put young players on a pedestal when they do some great things. But the reality of the situation is not that easy: Benjamin Faraji is struggling now in the WTT and the 2.Bundesliga, Coton for sure is coming, but is still lacks experience, and noneless than Gauzy showed him at the last french nationals how it is to use skullduggery in the round of 16. Coton is too kind for now, not experienced enough to use those Gauzy's mental ways to influence a match and reverse it to your advantage when things go wrong.

So yeah, you know nothing about what happens with those people, as I know nothing about what's happening for other countries cos' I'm not an insider in those.

I am not sure why you would call me an idiot. Please consider revising this kind of posting, it is not what the site is about. It is clearly a violation of forum rules, and trust me, don't think that it is a conflict of interest for me to moderate obvious violations unless you think it will give you immunity in some way because it will not. This is your final warning, given publicly so that any further action will not be mysterious.

The original conversation is here.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/french-nttc-2025-championnat-de-france-de-tennis-de-table.36872/

 

[NextLevel]

I am the poster and the ETTTC proved me right, NextLevel please, you're a moderator now, so start moderating yourself and give names please: "yes it's PoppaChuuby who told me that because I said I knew nothing about I'm not french", instead of being an idiot like that.

And I completely assume my words: people here on TTD never talk about the Pro A, the development of french players, even Tony knew nothing before coming to France lately. They suddenly discovered France was doing great with young players, so they said "Gauzy out, poret and Coton in"

What did Gauzy this year ? (and you told me NextLevel during the ETTC my bets were right): he worked his arse off, came from the over top 50 to the top 20 in less that a year, at 31 now.

Plus I said that Poret was not that good in doubles, Coton is that's for sure, but he's still young, developping, Gauzy is experienced, and you need a mix between young and experienced players to win. Like Ovidiu Ionescu for Romania for example, every team does that on purpose, you never bring 3 young players in any team event, it's just stupid, you always bring at least 1 experienced and older player.

Bardet... let me laugh a bit: he's already 24, and as Picard said recently: the french staff now only pays the expenses and charges for the first 5 ones, because french governments have done shit with the national budget and the FFTT yearly budget is only 10 million € now. He's been able to take advantage of the terrible conditions in Las vegas. AC put to the max, wooden floor influencing the quality of ball's rebound. When that happens, it has a levelling effect, top players play worse, those that are supposed to be weaker then have an advantage. You see that in football at qualifications matches for the World Cup during 1 year and a half: the weaker countries that plays at home always use a terrible field to use that levelling effect to counter the top 10 teams that play fast. You can play fast as you want on a poor field, then defense is advantaged, bringing momentum for the weaker team.

And that's what happened with Bardet in Las Vegas. What has he done after Las Vegas ? not that good right ? only 2 wins in 11 matches.

Poret has a foot injury now. The problem with you guys is that you instantly put young players on a pedestal when they do some great things. But the reality of the situation is not that easy: Benjamin Faraji is struggling now in the WTT and the 2.Bundesliga, Coton for sure is coming, but is still lacks experience, and noneless than Gauzy showed him at the last french nationals how it is to use skullduggery in the round of 16. Coton is too kind for now, not experienced enough to use those Gauzy's mental ways to influence a match and reverse it to your advantage when things go wrong.

So yeah, you know nothing about what happens with those people, as I know nothing about what's happening for other countries cos' I'm not an insider in those.

The most recent match between Gauzy and Coton is here. On that day, Coton also beath ZQH 3-2, deuce in the 5th. My main point is that all this is still 2-3 years away. Let's see how it goes.

 

[PoppaChubby]

@PoppaChubby

Over to you. Your main point was with regard to Coton and Poret being able to overtake Gauzy by 2028. Any amendments to your original position?

Thanks.

No, we're still in 2025 landing to 2026 with the WTTTC. Who's in the WTT Finals ? Gauzy.

None of them have overtaken him yet, and he's proven to be a strong athlete mentally. Everyone was putting Oh Junsung on a pedestal, but now he has to break that ceiling, and it's hard for him. Feng Yi-Sin ? same, Bertelsmeier ? same.

Of course there were 4 Pro A guys in the semis, of course there were 3 french ones and Coton included, but Coton still makes an inferiority complex to his elders. That's what happened with Alexis. He played great, but then at crucial moments, lost.

At that same age Felix was already ranked 15th, Coton could be a 1st choice in say Romania, Slovakia or Poland, 2nd choice ? Slovenia, 3rd choice so last memeber of the team ? Sweden, maybe Taïwan, but not in Germany nor France, neither in South Korea or Japan. And you have to beat Germany, South Korea and Japan to win big.

It's not the case now, and things are going in favor of Gauzy for 2028 when he'll be 33, like... Franziska today. Do you think Bertelsmeier would have done better at the ETTTC ? do you think he'll be a 3rd choice in 2026 ? or even 2028 if Franz, Duda and Dang Qiu are stil in the top 20/25 ? sure Coton is better than Bertelsmeier, but now France is n°1 in Europe, and want to be n°1 in the world. You don't do that with soft and kind players. And more important inexperienced players.

 

[NextLevel]

No, we're still in 2025 landing to 2026 with the WTTTC. Who's in the WTT Finals ? Gauzy.

None of them have overtaken him yet, and he's proven to be a strong athlete mentally. Everyone was putting Oh Junsung on a pedestal, but now he has to break that ceiling, and it's hard for him. Feng Yi-Sin ? same, Bertelsmeier ? same.

Of course there were 4 Pro A guys in the semis, of course there were 3 french ones and Coton included, but Coton still makes an inferiority complex to his elders. That's what happened with Alexis. He played great, but then at crucial moments, lost.

At that same age Felix was already ranked 15th, Coton could be a 1st choice in say Romania, Slovakia or Poland, 2nd choice ? Slovenia, 3rd choice so last memeber of the team ? Sweden, maybe Taïwan, but not in Germany nor France, neither in South Korea or Japan. And you have to beat Germany, South Korea and Japan to win big.

It's not the case now, and things are going in favor of Gauzy for 2028 when he'll be 33, like... Franziska today. Do you think Bertelsmeier would have done better at the ETTTC ? do you think he'll be a 3rd choice in 2026 ? or even 2028 if Franz, Duda and Dang Qiu are stil in the top 20/25 ? sure Coton is better than Bertelsmeier, but now France is n°1 in Europe, and want to be n°1 in the world. You don't do that with soft and kind players. And more important inexperienced players.

Like I said, let's see how it goes. You make a lot of arguments that are plausible, and while I don't agree with them, they could just as well reflect what will happen as Coton (and less likely Poret) becoming the third highest ranked player in France might. Injury is also a factor as well. But again, this is 2-3 years away. Bertelsmeir is already 20 and is a bad comparison. Felix is a better comparison, but Felix also had a less competitive national team to deal with and the Olympics in Paris as motivation. You keep pointing to how things currently are because you underestimate how quickly players like Coton can improve in 2 years, especially when they are showing results. Gauzy is clearly going to fight, so a lot will come down to the results. Coton already has a win over Matsushima - Gauzy is still looking for one.

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

Flavien "The Chosen One" Coton

 

[NextLevel]

Flavien "The Chosen One" Coton

Felix is the chosen one, Flavien is a very interesting prospect lol. If I thought Flavien was the chosen one, I would be saying he would be competing with Felix (and he very well might), but I am not there yet lol.

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

Felix did Alexis a solid by taking out Oh Junsung... and Alexis did Felix a Favor by taking out the Chosen One.

 

[joshmak10]

If we wanna make fair comparisons, I think we go straight to who are China’s current best young talents, which in my opinion are Wen Ruibo and Li Hechen. Coton already has a win against both of them. WRB
is already competing in senior events consistently but doesn’t get many opportunities due to China not sending him often and instead favouring the ZQH’s and XYB’s of the team. Plus WRB doesn’t have the senior successes that Coton has. LHC doesn’t even compete in many seniors yet, though i think he should. And for the sake of another comparison, Coton has a win over Faraji while also doing much much better in senior events compared to the Iranian.

So in short, Coton is a legitimate talent and has all the potential to overtake Gauzy as the third player in the near future and possibly even Alexis as the second player if he develops better than expected

 

[FIXPOINT]

WTT Star Contender Muscat 2025 WS Final

WTT Star Contender Muscat 2025 MS Final

 

[John Birkin]

Just wanted to compare the Japanese women with the Chinese women. China has the top two, for sure, and, when the chips are down, probably the top four. Add in Kuai Man and Zhu Yuling (Macau) and you could even make out a case for top six. But the story doesn't end there. Thinking of many recent performances in WTT events and triumphs across the board in Muscat, I reckon the Japanese women are an increasing threat and in numbers too, as when you get down to players 6, 7 and 8 they are arguably on a par with their Chinese counterparts. I just sense that the Japanese national squad are coming on strongly. It was also great to see Alexis Lebrun getting back to his best and producing a scintillating final with brother Felix. I'm not sure whether China has any players of similar age or younger who are as good (and spectacular) as these two.

 

[zeio]

So who on your team is beating Wang Manyu, Sun Yingsha and Wang Yidi on a consistent basis thereby making the CNT "sweat bullets"?

Sigh, as suggested in the original post, under the pretext that the beef between the members will not be resolved, it's an alternative lineup for Olympic XT with more flexible WD pairs, where Harimoto/Kihara and Kihara/Nagasaki both have a win over SYS/WMY that in turn could limit CNT's lineup maneuverability, compared to Ito/Hayata who have consistently lost in straight games to the same pair in the last 3 of 4 meetings. Provided JNT could somehow manage 2 games each in XD and MS like they did at XTWC 2023 and 2 games in WD (they almost got it that time), they could have a shot at the CNT even if they give up on WS.

XTWC 2023
CHN 8-5 JPN
WCQ/SYS 1-2 Togami/Harimoto2 (11-5,11-13,9-11)
WMY 3-0 Hayata (11-6,11-9,11-5) (4-2)
FZD 1-2 Harimoto1 (3-11,6-11,11-7) (5-4)
WMY/CM 2-1 Harimoto2/Kihara (10-12,11-3,13-11) (7-5)
WCQ/ML 1-0 (11-5,0-0,0-0) Togami/Sone

Year	Event Name	Stage	Sub-Event	Round	Pair A	Pair X	Result	Winners
2023	Asian Games Hangzhou 2022	Main Draw	WD	QuarterFinal	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	HARIMOTO Miwa (JPN) KIHARA Miyuu (JPN)	1 - 3	HARIMOTO Miwa (JPN) KIHARA Miyuu (JPN)

Year	Event Name	Stage	Sub-Event	Round	Pair A	Pair X	Result	Winners
2023	WTT Finals Women Nagoya 2023	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	KIHARA Miyuu (JPN) NAGASAKI Miyu (JPN)	3 - 1	WANG Manyu (CHN) SUN Yingsha (CHN)
2019	ITTF World Tour Grand Finals Zhengzhou 2019	Main Draw	WD	SemiFinal	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	KIHARA Miyuu (JPN) NAGASAKI Miyu (JPN)	2 - 3	KIHARA Miyuu (JPN) NAGASAKI Miyu (JPN)
2019	ITTF World Tour Platinum Japan Open Sapporo 2019	Main Draw	WD	SemiFinal	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	KIHARA Miyuu (JPN) NAGASAKI Miyu (JPN)	3 - 2	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)

Year	Event Name	Stage	Sub-Event	Round	Pair A	Pair X	Result	Winners
2022	WTT Star Contender European Summer Series Budapest 2022	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	ITO Mima (JPN) HAYATA Hina (JPN)	3 - 0	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)
2022	Singapore Smash 2022	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	ITO Mima (JPN) HAYATA Hina (JPN)	3 - 0	WANG Manyu (CHN) SUN Yingsha (CHN)
2021	World Table Tennis Championships Finals Houston 2021	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	ITO Mima (JPN) HAYATA Hina (JPN)	3 - 0	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)
2019	World Table Tennis Championships Budapest 2019	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	ITO Mima (JPN) HAYATA Hina (JPN)	4 - 2	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)

 

[zeio]

I'm not sure what you mean by never got all the chances to fail. They regularly play at ITTF/WTT tournaments... even more so than Odo who has only really been active as a senior starting in 2024 and worked her way up. It almost sounds like you're blaming the golden generation for being too good. But it's always been the case that the "young" have to prove at some point that they're better than the "old". Nagasaki has actually done very well this year. Kihara's results have been just okay... but a finals appearance and possibly champion here may be a good start.

Still the same fanboy you are going around without a cohesive argument.

Hirano/Hayata/Ito have played nearly 2 times as much in WS and 3 times as much in WT as Nagasaki and Kihara have. Odo has played nearly as much as Nagasaki and Kihara in WS and WD. Nagasaki played the most in junior events with the backing of JTTA. In retrospect, COVID-19 affected the trajectories of the 2002/2004 gen the most when they were going through the stage of explosive growth (age 16-18), hence the most unfortunate generation. Their wins over Hirano and Ito and challenges posed to Hayata in the Road to Paris selection trials have already proved they could be just as capable if given the chance.

Number of Events as of 2025/9/14
	Hirano	Hayata	Ito	Nagasaki	Kihara	Yokoi	Odo		Harimoto
	2000/4/14	2000/7/7	2000/10/21	2002/6/15	2004/8/3	2004/4/23	2004/5/16		2008/6/16
JGS/CGS	23	7	22	38	22	18	15	JGS/CGS/MCGS/U15WS/U17WS/U19WS	29
JGD/CGD	10	3	13	17	15	12	9	JGD/CGD/U15WD/U19WD	13
JXD	1	1	1	4	6	0	1	JXD/U15XD/U19XD	2
JGT/CGT	15	4	16	23	17	9	10	JGT/CGT/U15WT/U19XD	10
U21WS	28	25	24	18	19	1 (Suspended due to COVID-19)	18	U21WS	0
WS	136	122	142	77	76	26	70	WS	56
WD	60	43	58	52	49	24	46	WD	25
XD	2	29	24	9	2	2	8	XD	15
WT	13	10	12	4	4	0	1	WT	4
XT	1	1	0	0	1	0	0	XT	1

A TV Tokyo special on Nagasaki at WTTC 2018

Miyazaki: Strong physique

Fastest shot in Japan

After Miu, Mima, and Hina

The player who will lead the next generation

Didn't get fielded

Emi-san: Reality is bitter

Nagasaki: Wanted my mom to see my growth

But my strength is lacking

PR mode Captain Ishikawa: Even though it was the 3 of the us who played

the 5 of us were fighting

It's thanks to these 2 that we could fight as a team

The next WTTC will be in Hungary

I want to go with my family

I must go no matter what

 

[NextLevel]

Sigh, as suggested in the original post, under the pretext that the beef between the members will not be resolved, it's an alternative lineup for Olympic XT with more flexible WD pairs, where Harimoto/Kihara and Kihara/Nagasaki both have a win over SYS/WMY that in turn could limit CNT's lineup maneuverability, compared to Ito/Hayata who have consistently lost in straight games to the same pair in the last 3 of 4 meetings. Provided JNT could somehow manage 2 games each in XD and MS like they did at XTWC 2023 and 2 games in WD (they almost got it that time), they could have a shot at the CNT even if they give up on WS.

XTWC 2023
CHN 8-5 JPN
WCQ/SYS 1-2 Togami/Harimoto2 (11-5,11-13,9-11)
WMY 3-0 Hayata (11-6,11-9,11-5) (4-2)
FZD 1-2 Harimoto1 (3-11,6-11,11-7) (5-4)
WMY/CM 2-1 Harimoto2/Kihara (10-12,11-3,13-11) (7-5)
WCQ/ML 1-0 (11-5,0-0,0-0) Togami/Sone

Year	Event Name	Stage	Sub-Event	Round	Pair A	Pair X	Result	Winners
2023	Asian Games Hangzhou 2022	Main Draw	WD	QuarterFinal	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	HARIMOTO Miwa (JPN) KIHARA Miyuu (JPN)	1 - 3	HARIMOTO Miwa (JPN) KIHARA Miyuu (JPN)

Year	Event Name	Stage	Sub-Event	Round	Pair A	Pair X	Result	Winners
2023	WTT Finals Women Nagoya 2023	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	KIHARA Miyuu (JPN) NAGASAKI Miyu (JPN)	3 - 1	WANG Manyu (CHN) SUN Yingsha (CHN)
2019	ITTF World Tour Grand Finals Zhengzhou 2019	Main Draw	WD	SemiFinal	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	KIHARA Miyuu (JPN) NAGASAKI Miyu (JPN)	2 - 3	KIHARA Miyuu (JPN) NAGASAKI Miyu (JPN)
2019	ITTF World Tour Platinum Japan Open Sapporo 2019	Main Draw	WD	SemiFinal	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	KIHARA Miyuu (JPN) NAGASAKI Miyu (JPN)	3 - 2	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)

Year	Event Name	Stage	Sub-Event	Round	Pair A	Pair X	Result	Winners
2022	WTT Star Contender European Summer Series Budapest 2022	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	ITO Mima (JPN) HAYATA Hina (JPN)	3 - 0	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)
2022	Singapore Smash 2022	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	ITO Mima (JPN) HAYATA Hina (JPN)	3 - 0	WANG Manyu (CHN) SUN Yingsha (CHN)
2021	World Table Tennis Championships Finals Houston 2021	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	ITO Mima (JPN) HAYATA Hina (JPN)	3 - 0	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)
2019	World Table Tennis Championships Budapest 2019	Main Draw	WD	Final	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)	ITO Mima (JPN) HAYATA Hina (JPN)	4 - 2	SUN Yingsha (CHN) WANG Manyu (CHN)

Ah, that is what we call "digging in the crates". I like how you go back to the history to find that in the context of maximizing Japan's chances to win an Mixed Team matchup. So you seriously believe that Japan has a matchup that will beat China in XT and the key to this matchup is fielding Kihaara and Nagasaki and Harimoto and removing Hayata and Ito? I guess that is why we are table tennis fans.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Hirano blows a 9-3 lead while 2-0 up against Odo. Super late timeout at 9-7, similar to how she lost a major lead against Ito at Singapore Smash 2024.

Ridiculous red card call for Hirano at 1-5 in the fifth. Not sure how much faster they expect players to move. But probably wouldn't have made a difference since Odo's superior technique was clearly winning out. Hirano and Ito seem to have the same problem, they can stay competitive in matches they're not favoured to win but can't seem to close out.

the red cards always makes a difference.
some times umpires should learn to manage the players more and less about trying to find ways to punish the players.

i am seen way too many bad calls.
this is no different to police shootings, where its is over reacting.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Still the same fanboy you are going around without a cohesive argument.

Hirano/Hayata/Ito have played nearly 2 times as much in WS and 3 times as much in WT as Nagasaki and Kihara have. Odo has played nearly as much as Nagasaki and Kihara in WS and WD. Nagasaki played the most in junior events with the backing of JTTA. In retrospect, COVID-19 affected the trajectories of the 2002/2004 gen the most when they were going through the stage of explosive growth (age 16-18), hence the most unfortunate generation. Their wins over Hirano and Ito and challenges posed to Hayata in the Road to Paris selection trials have already proved they could be just as capable if given the chance.

Number of Events as of 2025/9/14
	Hirano	Hayata	Ito	Nagasaki	Kihara	Yokoi	Odo		Harimoto
	2000/4/14	2000/7/7	2000/10/21	2002/6/15	2004/8/3	2004/4/23	2004/5/16		2008/6/16
JGS/CGS	23	7	22	38	22	18	15	JGS/CGS/MCGS/U15WS/U17WS/U19WS	29
JGD/CGD	10	3	13	17	15	12	9	JGD/CGD/U15WD/U19WD	13
JXD	1	1	1	4	6	0	1	JXD/U15XD/U19XD	2
JGT/CGT	15	4	16	23	17	9	10	JGT/CGT/U15WT/U19XD	10
U21WS	28	25	24	18	19	1 (Suspended due to COVID-19)	18	U21WS	0
WS	136	122	142	77	76	26	70	WS	56
WD	60	43	58	52	49	24	46	WD	25
XD	2	29	24	9	2	2	8	XD	15
WT	13	10	12	4	4	0	1	WT	4
XT	1	1	0	0	1	0	0	XT	1

A TV Tokyo special on Nagasaki at WTTC 2018

Miyazaki: Strong physique

Fastest shot in Japan

After Miu, Mima, and Hina

The player who will lead the next generation

Didn't get fielded

Emi-san: Reality is bitter

Nagasaki: Wanted my mom to see my growth

But my strength is lacking

PR mode Captain Ishikawa: Even though it was the 3 of the us who played

the 5 of us were fighting

It's thanks to these 2 that we could fight as a team

The next WTTC will be in Hungary

I want to go with my family

I must go no matter what

There's various reasons for why the players play or don't play: injuries, personal choice, NER limits, selection trials. But ultimately, I think it comes down to performance. Hina and Mima especially have been able to maintain their high ranking for years now. Hina has had a dip this year, but she's worked her way back up. And with NER limits there's a limited number of players that play WTT tournaments unless it's undersubscribed. But even with these NER limits, there are opportunities to play. But you have to perform. Satsuki has played fewer WTT tournaments than either of the Miyus, yet holds 7 singles titles to Kihara's 3 and Nagasaki's 2 and has also placed well in general. As you quoted Nagasaki in the photo bomb "But my strength was lacking". But I give full credit to Kihara and Nagasaki this year. They're clearly improving. Don't know if it will lead to the Olympics and WTT[T]C with the competition from Odo, Hashimoto, and others, but good to see them make a push.