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She has to fit in doubles or play the singles spot. That's the challenge, and I suspect if Joo Cheonhui was eligible, this would be less of an issue.
WTT Singapore Smash 2024 3/7-3/17
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No more coach Ito, whitehead has no more excuse to quiet quit.
Miu/Miwa are the Wang Yidi of Japan.
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WD R32
A. Mukherjee/S. Mukherjee 1-0 -> 1-2 -> 3-2 Hirano/Harimoto
While I still think this pair doesn't work, Harimoto is a much-faster learner/much-less stubborn player than Ishikawa.
Harimoto was quite hesitant in G1 and there were multiple points in which she didn't know what return to expect and hence where (FH or BH side) to move.
But startig from G2, under the lead of Hirano, she started to find her groove and got up to speed.
Hirano got a lot of points from serving heavy backspin and Harimoto started to get the hang of playing longpips/antispin blockers by either playing no-spin (faux loop) or heavy-spin loops.
G5 23, 33 Harimoto's inexperience showed when she wanted to kill the loose ball in one go, 34, 54, 55, 75 Hirano was forced to take risks on 2 receives and TO for JPN, 95, 97 Harimoto stepped up on 2 receives, 98, 108, 109, 119
Double Mukherjee caught on to the fact that Hirano as striker (mostly looping)/Harimoto as assist (mostly pushing) from G4 onward and aimed at Harimoto.
From this match and the WT F at WTTC 2024, it's clear Harimoto is still young to shoulder the burden.
A. Mukherjee/S. Mukherjee 1-0 -> 1-2 -> 3-2 Hirano/Harimoto
While I still think this pair doesn't work, Harimoto is a much-faster learner/much-less stubborn player than Ishikawa.
Harimoto was quite hesitant in G1 and there were multiple points in which she didn't know what return to expect and hence where (FH or BH side) to move.
But startig from G2, under the lead of Hirano, she started to find her groove and got up to speed.
Hirano got a lot of points from serving heavy backspin and Harimoto started to get the hang of playing longpips/antispin blockers by either playing no-spin (faux loop) or heavy-spin loops.
G5 23, 33 Harimoto's inexperience showed when she wanted to kill the loose ball in one go, 34, 54, 55, 75 Hirano was forced to take risks on 2 receives and TO for JPN, 95, 97 Harimoto stepped up on 2 receives, 98, 108, 109, 119
Double Mukherjee caught on to the fact that Hirano as striker (mostly looping)/Harimoto as assist (mostly pushing) from G4 onward and aimed at Harimoto.
From this match and the WT F at WTTC 2024, it's clear Harimoto is still young to shoulder the burden.
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WYD: Don't even think about it. I lose in straight games. No one can best me!
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MS R64
WCT 1-3 M. Yoshimura
LSS 3-1 LGY
Not an upset despite the ranking difference.
Absurdly small sample size?
2011-2023
LSS 5 H2H 5 LGY
WS R64
Fu Yu 2-3 CSY
Kihara 1-3 CIC
Pavade 3-2 DHK
G5 107, 1010, 1210
Acceptable with a strained thigh from WTTC 2024.
WCT 1-3 M. Yoshimura
LSS 3-1 LGY
Not an upset despite the ranking difference.
Absurdly small sample size?
2011-2023
LSS 5 H2H 5 LGY
WS R64
Fu Yu 2-3 CSY
Kihara 1-3 CIC
Pavade 3-2 DHK
G5 107, 1010, 1210
Acceptable with a strained thigh from WTTC 2024.
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This is the last straw; I'm calling my vendor and asking him to send over some anti-spin rubber. 🤬
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The issue with pips is that once you play a lot, you start losing effectiveness. Look at Batra, went winless against China in the teams match despite being by far the highest rated player in India, and just now completely demolished by WYD who lost 0-3 to Akula just a few weeks ago.
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All too familiar. The same was said for Ishikawa/Hirano during Tokyo 2020 cycle. But as a table tennis player myself, it's possible to tell with a fair level of confidence after a few times (4, tops).
Hirano gives the false impression that she is poor in WD and XD when she is actually good, having won the Opens and WTGF with Ito (Guinness World Records of youngest-ever) early on, and the Opens and WTT series with Hayata later on. She actually paired with Miwa's brother for a while in 2018 and the two reached the XT F at Buenos Aires 2018 without dropping a match. The reason for that impression, as revealed by Baba over the breakup of Ito/Hirano and the switch to Ishikawa/Hirano for WTTC 2017, is that Hirano was too fast (see quote below).
Even Hayata couldn't keep up at the table but since she can bide her time from getting off the table, and most if not all her other teammates lack that ability, so Hirano is left without a lot of compatible players to pair. The same is true for Ito who gives the false impression that she is good in WD and XD, but if you look up her results, she has actually won the most with Hirano or Hayata in WD and Morizono or Mizutani in XD. Other than that, her results with other teammates, specifically Fukuhara, Ishikawa, Kizukuri, Niwa (in 2019) and Uda were far less spectacular.
But as poor as the pair of Ishikawa/Hirano (1, 2, 3), they still managed to push WMY/SYS to the final game in WD QF at WTTC 2021, where Hirano also pushed CM to the final game in WS R16, the 2 matches that convinced me to believe in her odds for Paris 2024.
https://www.nikkan-gendai.com/articles/view/sports/198112
For reference:
WJTTC 2013, JGD R32, A. Mukherjee/S. Mukherjee 3-1 Hirano/Ito (-6, 11, 9, 1)
Qatar Open 2018, CXT/SYS 3-2 Hirano/Ito (5, -8, -6, 7, 8) (their last international competition as a pair)
Austrian Open 2018, Hayata/Ito 3-0 CXT/SYS (6 ,7 ,8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDmRYXWyUcY
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WS R64
Diaz 3-2 Matelova
MS R64
Moregard 3-1 Togami
Aruna 1-2 -> 3-2 LJH
F. Lebrun 3-2 Matsushima
G5 41 TO for Matsushima, 51, 52, 62, 63, 73, 76, 96, 98, 108, 109, 119
WS R64
Lily Zhang 1-3 Harimoto
G4 55, 75, 76 faint corner edge for Harimoto, 77 medium net for Harimoto and TO for Harimoto?, 711
Diaz 3-2 Matelova
MS R64
Moregard 3-1 Togami
Aruna 1-2 -> 3-2 LJH
F. Lebrun 3-2 Matsushima
G5 41 TO for Matsushima, 51, 52, 62, 63, 73, 76, 96, 98, 108, 109, 119
WS R64
Lily Zhang 1-3 Harimoto
G4 55, 75, 76 faint corner edge for Harimoto, 77 medium net for Harimoto and TO for Harimoto?, 711
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I agree. Not only unique, but they're an accomplished pair. It's time we recognize India has just gotten really, really good in both doubles and singles. Sreeja Akula is a rising star in singles as are the Mukherjees in doubles. Ayhika even beating SYS once is quite an accomplishment in itself, and Surtitha just lost deuce in the 5th vs. YXX, a perennial top 15 player.
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We all know how good Felix is, but the 172cm Matsushima is making really good progress as well.
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Ito: I approve.
WYD: Ahem, I'm 4W0L against Batra.
Akula: Don't lump me together with that washed-up fossil.
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It's a matchup we're probably going to see often in the future, and right now looks like an even odds matchup.
I already like this Singapur Smash. So many upsets and interesting parings from the beginning. LGY losing seems to be pretty wild, too.
Does Akula have only anti spin rubbers or mixed?
Does Akula have only anti spin rubbers or mixed?
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3rd seeded players out now after Mittelham and Hayata.
WS R64
Szocs 1-0 -> 1-3 Sawettabut
WR10/10th seed vs WR44
G2 67, 69, 89 TO for Sawettabut, 911 net for Sawettabut
G4 25 TO for Szocs, 27, 37, 39, 69, 611
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-446361
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/wtt-singapore-smash-2024-3-7-3-17.33147/post-446960
WS R64
Szocs 1-0 -> 1-3 Sawettabut
WR10/10th seed vs WR44
G2 67, 69, 89 TO for Sawettabut, 911 net for Sawettabut
G4 25 TO for Szocs, 27, 37, 39, 69, 611
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-446361
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/wtt-singapore-smash-2024-3-7-3-17.33147/post-446960
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