read somebody else describe it as a hybrid of a Chinese and a jap/Euro rubber(thats why it is known as alternative for tenergy), and I agree. It's the best really fast rubber I've used for service. It's easy to keep the ball low, short, and spinny. Short game is really good. Once you start picking up the racket speed though, the sponge starts to compress and the speed is explosive. Here, the control isnt as good so you'll need to be really precise with your strokes. Loops are really fast, low and have heavy spin. Even against moderate backspin, I had to close my racket angle almost as if I was looping a dead ball. My 3rd ball attacks were insanely fast, but again, I felt like i needed to be very precise or I'd miss long. Counterlooping was good but little tricky for me in the beginning , unless I backed off from the table considerably. Smashing, hitting and blocking were also quite good. I recommend this to highly skilled and very agressive players, however if you like high, slow opening topspins, i think u wont like the rubber that much
I have used this rubber on my forehand for a while.. Very fast and i can get a lot of spin. I like how Paul Drinkhall uses this rubber which made me decide to buy it in the end. The only thing is its not as fresh a few weeeks later, but lasts a good amount of time. THis rubber is definately not one to boost puhahahaa
Tibhar MX-P is a great attacking rubber for offensive players. I will just confirm what many have already said: that if you are a Tenergy 05 user your transition to MX-P will be fairly easy. While they don't feel exactly the same their performance is similar using the same technique. MX-P is a tad faster and harder than T05 and the throw angle is lower. In terms of spin, I think they are fairly similar but T05 is still more spinny on brush strokes with MX-P being equal when the sponge is fully engaged. While I still feel T05 is the best pure looping rubber because of it's higher throw angle and increased bounciness I feel MX-P is the better overall attacking rubber. MX-P has better control and consistency than T05 that results in a superior short game including pushes, blocks, flat hits, and serve returns. It has that advantage while still being 95% as good as T05 in the looping department. An excellent rubber and value. It can be played on either FH or BH but I personally use it on the BH as I prefer a slightly higher throw angle for my FH. Recommended.
I have used this rubber on many blades and is my current forehand rubber along with the Evolution MX-S for my backhand. This rubber is used by many pros including Vladi, PD, and my new idol Sanil Shetty. I used a lot of rubbers but I came back to MX-P for my forehand paired with an insensitive MX-S for my backhand. My setup is very perfect for me.
During drillings I can feel the ball go onto the sheet, sponge, and through the blade with each hit. I always get my "palo" (strokes) very easily after a few drillings with the MX-P. My shots are loaded with spin plus the tensor technology that made me abandon Tenergy. I really love the MX-P's cracking speedglue like sound when power shots are timed very well. When I hear the cracking sound I already know that it is a sure killer or will come back very high for another pummeling. I feel like Thor passing judgement with every forehand stroke I release to my opponent. Now I know what Paul Drinkhall meant when the feel is perfect that made him change from Tenergy 05 to MX-P.
- Serves are spinny and deceiving
- Blocking requires little effort and a lot of touch
- Countering is easy to execute just close the racket
- Shots are loaded with spin and has a lot of power
- Flicks are a breeze
- Cracking sound when timed very well
This is one of the best rubbers on the market that can compete very well against Tenergy. You can't say that the other is better if your only reason is that many players use this or that, you have to use it and embrace their differences to truly judge. We all have different touch and timing but I will be staying with my MX-P and pass judgement to my enemies.
Having used Tenergy 05 for longer than I can remember, I have now gotten rid of my last stock of Tenergy 05s. Took me 3 weeks, matches, training, etc to be 100% certain - and yes, I can say MXP is it.
Serves, service receive, short game, blocking, is definitely 10 -15% better (in my opinion). In a tight match situation, the grip you get on flicks, the short touch (when required) and control in a high tempo, high spin rally, is just beyond belief.
I am not sure about those claiming tenergy has more spin - but in my view, with my particular technique, the spin I generate on both wings, combined with the speed/penetration that MXP provides, is certainly more than T05. This was confirmed by my opponents, and training partners, who described MXP as a spin beast/monster.
Its not so much about the money, (although it matters of course) but the quality of this rubber, if Tibhar dont drop their standards, means I will never buy a Tenergy again. If I was good enough to have been sponsored by Butterfly, I would probably be ditching them, and reaching out to Tibhar for a sponsorship deal right now
I agree with the majority of the past reviews for MX-P. Being a pre-plastic ball rubber, you'd think that all the new stuff coming out would be better. But like T05, this rubber just has that perfect balance. The speed and spin are just enormous. MX-P is a dream for players that have used T05 or use compact strokes. Being a long time user of Hurricane 3 rubber and its ilk, MX-P is absolutely lethal with full body strokes and brush techniques. The only part of my game that suffers a bit is the short game. You can serve short, but when pushing, the high catapult of MX-P requires really deft touch. MX-P is an attackers paradise.
Despite its age, just like tenergy this rubber remains one of the OGs that still got it. There are faster and spinnier ESN tensors now but as far as I know none of em have this combination of it. The spin this rubber can generate on a fine brush is high and even on something like a loop drive the quality is there. The best shots are by far when you're a few feet away from the table hammering out the loops and counters. Making sure the shots land is not as easy so yeah make sure you can handle a speed monster before slapping this on your blade. I currently use this on my backhand and have tried it on my forehand where it proved to be to fast for me. Also, even though this rubber is cheaper than tenergy, its durability is nowhere near the same. After about 2-3 months the boosted effect will mostly be gone and in my experience wear spots will begin to show after about 75-100 hours of use.
Let me preface my description of Tibhar’s Evolution MX-P with the fact that this was my preferred forehand rubber for a 6-month period in late 2015 – early 2016 before I started experimenting with Chinese rubbers. The MX-P feels softer to the touch than Xiom’s Omega V Tour and more similar to the Euro version or Nittaku’s Fastarc G-1. FH drives feel nothing short of marvelous with this rubber. The contact is crisp and produces a clicking sound that instills much confidence. The catapult is quite pronounced, which makes it tempting to take 1-2 steps away from the table and start hammering FH drives and flat hits with high speed. The feeling that the MX-P confers on these shots is very similar to the feeling that speed-glued rubbers used to confer. FH loops offer a similarly crisp feeling allowing for magnificent touch and control especially against balls with little spin. Read our in-depth review here.
I think most of what needs to be said has already been written below by other people, and I agree with it. I should add, though, that it is pretty easy to make a switch to this rubber from T05. Let's say 4-5 sessions of adjustment, and then you can pretty much do what you used to do with T05 and it will work with MX-P. It won't feel the same. T05 has a more muted feel. For me the difference in feel doesn't seem to matter much. MX-P is overall a touch harder and faster than T05. I like the hardness in the short game. But in general, it is a great substitute. It works pretty much equally effectively for the same kind of player.
One thing I don't like is that some of the really nice qualities of MX-P are reduced quite a bit after the factory booster evaporates away, which maybe takes a month or so. I suspect the best thing to do at that point is re-boost it (as someone else suggests), but I haven't tried doing that. If you take if off the blade and then re-glue it, which I have done, you will find it has shrunk. I have a couple of used sheets in a drawer that I think I will try boosting just to see what happens. If that works out, then for sure the durability will be equal or greater than Tenergy at around half the price (if you buy from TT11).
I was a Tenergy user on both sides for a long time then switched to Hurricane on forehand cause it's cheaper and reduced the total cost of the rubbers. But I got more prone to injuries and the Hurricane really needs a lot of effort. I was skeptical at trying the MX-P based upon the reviews of many people comparing it to Tenergy. I really needed a new backhand rubber and tried many, I tried Skyline 3-60 the sponge lacks power then tried Rakza 7 Soft but the ball behavior is really abnormal and it was kinda mushy. When the EL-S came out I tried it I was happy at first but as time went by, I felt the heaviness and effort needed to produce amazing balls(I was using Ebenholz at that time). I switched to MX-P and I was happy, flicks are fast and spinny the blocking was stable heck no need for block cause you can punch the incoming spin.
I changed my blade for the polyball and now use Tiago Apolonia ZLC. I glued new sheets of Hurricane Provincial and MX-P in the backhand side to battle the polyball. The same problem occured, injuries due to the heavy chinese rubber my senses told me to switch to MX-P on both sides. Last week I bought a new sheet of MX-P to replace the Hurricane on my forehand and this is what I found.
When I switched to MX-P I had a few adjustments in the forehand and in order to use the rubber properly the stroke is a mix of hit and brush. I can produce tremendous spin with the MX-P plus the added catapult plus the satisfying cracking sound. The rubber was very linear so I can direct the ball anywhere I want it to go. Lifting backspin is really easy with MX-P, you can have the choice of brushing it or kill it with a forward stroke. My training partner told me that the ball was faster and heavier with MX-P due to the catapult effect.
My backhand technique is kinda flicky and a lot of blocking but can brush too when needed. When spinning with my backhand I can hear the satisfying cracking sound that indicates that the timing is right(for me). The ball flies in a straight line showing the rubber's direct nature. The spin produced is comparable with Tenergy 05.
Blocking is really easy with MX-P cause the catapult helps a lot whether it is in the forehand or backhand side. The rubber is spin sensitive(05 is more), sometimes when an opponent attacks my backhand side I punch the ball, power against power. I find it easy to punch the ball with the MX-P on the backhand and to counter the ball on the forehand side. When countering in the forehand side little effort is needed and it is easier than 05 where you need to close the angle so the ball won't fly.
Flicking is one of my favorite shots specially the forehand flick and with MX-P the ball is fast and furious. The backhand flick is a breeze with MX-P cause the grip grabs the ball and the catapult to finishes it off.
The MX-P shines in attacking close to the table for finishers and in mid distance cause the ball is really fast and quite annoying with a little sidespin. My training partner noted that the MX-P is a bit "shocking" due to the loud sound and speed of the ball. Compared to Hurricane and Tenergy 05 the spin is comparable however the speed is not cause the MX-P is faster than the two. I am quite satisfied with the performance of the MX-P and I felt my game went up since I changed. The rubber feels better than 05 in my opinion as it is faster, throw is lower and more controllable than 05.
The rubber shrinks when you remove it from the blade but can be stretched out, just use water based glue and stretch it. Remove the rubber when it is time to change or when the glue dries out(like what happened to mine).
I played for a year with my MX-P, 2.0.
I used on FH around 3 month, but then on BH.
What's the best about this rubber, is it's speed and spin potential. I will compare it to Tenergy series. Speedwise it's around the T64, but it behaves differently. On strong loops throw angle is higher than T64, but lower than T05. On slow loops Tenergys perform better, I think due to the softer topsheet. On stronger shots it's sponge kicks the ball like spring sponge, but it is more linear than T series. Easier to make punch-shots. In general, performance of MX-P is very similar to Tenergy. It's a very good substitution, as it's much cheaper. BUT, it requires good skills. It feels very hard and due it's speed - hard to control. Tenergy is much more easy to use. MX-P lacks the feel, that's it.
Playing elements compared to T64 and T05:
Slow opening loop: T05>T64>MX-P
Strong opening loop (FH): MX-P>T05>T64 MX-P is faster than T05 and somehow I didn't liked the T64 in this case.
Strong opening loop (BH): T64>MX-P I didn't used T05 on BH side enough to speak about.
Short push and drop-shot: MX-P>T05=T64 Tackiness really helps there.
Long push: T64>=T05=MX-P With T64 easier to vary the spin, but maybe that's just my memory.
BH flick (fast, long): T64>MX-P T64 really shines here.
BH flick (short, slower): MX-P=T64
FH flip-kill: MX-P>T64=T05 Hardness, speed and slight tackiness makes MX-P perfect for this shot.
BH flip-kill: T64>MX-P
Counterloop (FH/BH) close to mid range: T05=T64>MX-P With MX-P easier to miss the table than T05. T64 generates lower arc than both, but still easy to land it on the table.
Counterloop (FH) long range: MX-P>=T64>=T05: Faster rubbers are better at long range.
Counterloop (BH) mid to long range: T64>>MX-P Think to the BH loops of ZJK and Zhou Yu! T64 is the best in this, even commercial version.
Passive block (BH): T64>MX-P
Active block: T64=MX-P
Smash: MX-P<=T64=T05 There isn't too much difference.
Tibhar Evolution MX-P
Weight: 73 grams uncut, 49 grams uncut
Sponge Hardness: 45.7°
Blade used: Tibhar Stratus Carbon blade
After many requests from users on the TableTennisDaily website, we have teamed up with TableTennis11.com to review Tibhar’s most popular rubber series.
The Evolution rubber is ESN based and has a firm glossy topsheet. What's interesting about the Evolution series is that the rubbers all have a strong smell which is evident right out the packaging. Other rubbers do not seem to possess this same strong glue smell.
The rubbers vary in sponge hardness with the FX-P being the softest in the range coming in at 41.1 degrees. The El-P has a sponge hardness of 42.4 degrees. The Evolution MX-P has a sponge hardness of 45.7 degrees. and finally the MX-S which is the hardest rubber in the series with a sponge hardness of 46.3 degrees.
The rubbers have slight variations in weight. Uncut The FX-P weighs 68 grams and cut 47 grams, the EL-P uncut weighs 72 grams and cut weighs 50 grams, the MX-P uncut weighs 73 grams and cut 49 grams and the MX-S uncut weighs 75 grams and cut weighs 51 grams.
I used the Tibhar Samsonov Stratus Carbon blade throughout the review whilst Tom used this and his regular bat, switching between the two setups to get a better understanding of how the evolution rubber series performs.
We started out with the MX-P which is widely regarded as the most popular rubber in the series and has been highly praised by the table tennis tennis community, and you can tell why almost immediately. The rubber feels alive and you get a loud clicking sound on contact. Another quality that becomes apparent as soon as you start using the MX-P is the sheer amount of speed it produces. The strong catapult effect propels the plastic ball with minimal effort.
Although the speed is impressive with the MX-P we did sometimes find that the ball would fly out long due to just how fast it was, so you need good control and feeling to use this rubber to full effect. This rubber is also very responsive to incoming speed and spin and we both made a fair amount of mistakes initially before we got used to it.
When opening up against backspin using my backhand, for example, I felt I had a lot of grip and a fair amount of dwell for such a fast offensive rubber. Again sometimes due to the high speed of the MXP, my 3rd and 5th ball attacks went just off the end of the table so I had to close my bat angle to adjust and maintain consistency.
We both really liked the MX-P on the forehand side when trying to lift backspin and were both able to produce great amounts spin when playing aggressively. As this is a rubber for advanced players those with sufficient technique will be able to use this speed and spin to full effect.
In the serve and receive game the MX-P worked exceptionally when playing a backhand flick. The evolution rubber gripped the ball well and, combined with its speed excelled in this area. I found that I could follow up with an effective backhand punch shot which, in general, is very effective with the entire evolution range.
Due to the crisp, clean feel and contact, countering with this rubber was fantastic. With little effort we were both able to produce consistent and effective counter topspins.
We also found that from mid distance and away from the table the MXP’s speed allowed us to impart strong shots.
Tibhar’s flagship evolution rubbers are superb, and have a range of different characteristics to suit different players needs. We found all the rubbers have a good spring, responsive feel, but all differ in terms of sponge hardness, speed and spin.
I personally preferred the MXP on my forehand and the MXS on my backhand. I felt I was able to control and handle the speed. This speed allowed me to pressure Tom in match play. For strong attacking players the MXP would be of a good choice as the hard sponge propels the ball forward with its extreme catapult effect with great spin. Players who take a bit more time in their shots and want control and dwell over speed would prefer the FXP or the ELP.
Alternatively players who struggle for speed and want that extra bit of kick in their forehand the MXP would be of a good choice of rubber. Players who want something a touch slower than the MXP but with more grip, slightly more spin and a harder sponge, the MXS would suit. The MXS is also slightly faster than the two softer evolution rubbers
The spin produced is not quite as much as a Tenergy 05 or a Chinese Hurricane rubber but easily effective enough to lift heavy backspin balls to put your opponent under pressure. Serving with all 4 variants of the evolution series did not give us any problems as the surface of the rubber grabbed the ball well producing good spin and gave us good precision and placement .
I bought MX-P as a friend recommended it as a cheap alternative for Tenergy 05 , I use it on my forehand and will soon be adding it to my backhand replacing Tenergy 05. It's a really nice rubber , I used to use tenergy and would still say that is the best rubber money can buy , however This MXP is fantastic too. It only took a couple of hours to get used to it. It comes pre boosted so plays like tenergy, the sponge is medium so it's good for soaking in some heavy spin. It's a great rubber for forehand and I'm sure it will be on the backhand . It's a good rubber for people who can't afford to buy tenergy 05 but want a similar result. I have an offensive style and attack off both wings, this rubber is more than enough for me . It's ideal at £35 a sheet . The only problem is it needs replacing every 3-4 months because the boost wears off , it depends how much you play, for instance I train 5 days a week so I change every 3 months . Would recommend !
Tibhar Evolution MX-P
Weight: 69 grams uncut
Blade used: Adidas Avenger 5 blade
The Evolution rubber series is completely different in comparison to the Q series by Tibhar. The topsheet of the Evolution is a deep red colour whereas the Q series a light red color. The deep red sponge is from ESN Germany and is often believed to be a Japanese sponge.
Sponge comparison between MX-P, FX-P, EL-P
Out of all three sponges from the Evolution series the MX-P is the hardest sponge which is the one at the bottom of the pile in the picture below. The sponge feels medium to hard. The MX-P is the hardest out of the series with FX-P being the softest. The EL-P had a medium sponge hardness. The MX-P had the largest pores of all three with the EL-P having the smallest and the FX-P in between.
Picture below top to bottom (FX-P, EL-P, MX-P)
I glued the MX-P rubber to the Adidas Avenger 5 blade which is a 5 ply wood blade, even still the MX-P felt like a rocket. Out of all 3 the rubber is definitely the fastest in the Evolution series. It is faster than a Tenergy 64 for example. The rubber felt hard when hitting the ball producing a medium to high trajectory when away from the table. The power of my shots did not change even if If I took a step off from the table.
Out of the 3 rubbers, the EL-P was the easiest to spin the ball with, although the MX-P produced greater spin however more effort was needed. With the MX-P, to produce its maximum spin a higher level of play was needed to fully utilize its power in term of speed and spin on attacks. The MX-P away from the table hit with a lot of power and speed, I found this rubber a little to fast for my level and would say its a professional rubber for pro's. I found the EL-P gave me greater control away from the table. The MX-P rubber surprised me when I pushed and served the ball as i could get a lot of spin and it was easier, similar to using a hard Chinese rubber however the MX-P is not tacky.
Control and inside the table game
I found the MX-P quite tricky for control as its very fast, I had to adjust to its speed. In shots such as receiving serves and drop shots it was bouncy and required a precise touch. It was excellent for pushing though.
The MX-P produced very fast blocks as expected. The rubber could produce very fast punch blocks which is cool if you can control it.
The MX-P is definitely an advanced rubber and is a beast! it is very fast, powerful and spinny when you apply the right technique. If you are a counter looper or want to have a counter attacking game the MX-P a great choice of rubber.
How does Evolution MX-P compare to Tenergy 05?
The Tibhar Evolution MX-P is faster than Tenergy however the spin is 10% less. I think the Evolution rubbers are a lot more durable than Tenergy. Interestingly about this rubber is that it makes a nice "thock" when you hit it, even in max. It is interesting because it is not at all a soft rubber. It is actually quite hard, and a much louder rubber than Tenergy.
Evolution MX-P has what i was looking for my FH : a rubber hard enough to perform fast top-spins but having a nice dwell time for easy blocking and counter-hitting.
I find this balance very difficult to find. When the dwell time is ok, I usually feel the rubber is too soft.
On top of that, MX-P is amazing for serves. Killerspintt wrote : "You will love the rubber when it comes to serves". Oh yes you will.
You safely find any speed and placement for some very spinny serves.
The grip is great and enduring.
The high throw makes lifting heavy underspin a lot easier than the majority of rubbers.
My previous FH rubber was Target Ultim 50 by Cornilleau. That's a real rocket (the fastest rubber I ever played with) and a spin machine.
I loved it. The main downside is the low throw : perform a top spin on a heavy back spin ball is exhausting. And you do not have a choice : it has to be a slow and very spinny stroke.
It is way easier with MX-P. And you get versatility. You can go slow and spinny or fast and strong.
The factory boost is a bit too strong for me. Once unpacked, i let the rubber rest for several weeks to get the speed and feeling i want.
[Edit 11-30-2017] : I can play with MX-P right of the package on Tibhar Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition.
The speed is awesome while keeping great control.
I love this rubber on my BH, I like to brush the ball more with my BH topspin so I prefer the harder sponge. It also is great at punching or flat hitting, sometimes I do find it difficult to controller slow spiny topspins ( my technique). Over all my favourite rubber for BH
Probably best rubber for loop and top spin close to the table.
I think this rubber is the real alternative to tenergy 05, I recommended this one for everybody who want very aggressive rubber whit low price.
Ive been using this rubber since august and it's still perfect.
This rubber is very good. I have just switched from using the Xiom Vega Europe and boy, was that an excellent choice. This rubber is a cheaper version of a tenergy. There is a lot of spin, control, and speed. There is nothing to not like about this rubber. As for receiving, it is good as well. The rubber is not as sensitive to spin as tenergy is. I highly recommend this to people who have used tenergy or want to try a rubber that is very similar to tenergy.