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yogi_bear
02-23-2020, 12:59 PM
Joola Dynaryz AGR and ACC rubbers

Joola had some revamps last year due to change in ownership and changes were made.
They even changed their company logo. So far the changes have been good and we can see the changes in their recent products starting with the Rhyzer rubbers and also the PBO-C blades.
Dynaryz seems to be a catchy name especially to GoT fans and a friend of mine even asked if this comes with dragons. It does not but it comes with another GoT sounding name which I will post soon.


Anyway, the new Joola Dynaryz rubbers come in 2 versions - ACC and AGR. I will explain each rubber thoroughly as much as I can. Here are some of the pics:


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Joola Dynaryz ACC
Weight: 69 grams uncut
Speed: OFF+
Spin: Very High


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The Dynaryz ACC has a softer sponge compared to the AGR. At first look the ACC Dynaryz
could be mistaken as a Tibhar rubber because of its purple sponge but only looks can be similar and they play very differently. I have no exact info on what is the sponge hardness of the Dynaryz
ACC but it seems to be 47-48 degrees and the topsheet is at medium soft. I can press the topsheet and sponge to some degree and it feels like it is medium hard and also felt a bit softer than the Rhyzer 50. I am just doing references on the hardness since I need to ask Joola about this first.


The Dynaryz ACC is the more "tamed" version of the 2 Dynaryz rubbers. It has a certain gap in terms of speed and power when I compared to the AGR version. I used the 2 rubbers in the same blades. I used a 5 ply limba-limba blade and a composite blade with carbon-aramid layers. I could say the Dynaryz ACC is quite bouncy. The speed is really evident even with just a 5 ply blade being used with it. For comparison's sake, ACC has more or less the same speed level as the Rhyzer 48 but it feels softer on impacts. Other rubber comparisons for speed are, ACC > Tibhar FXS, ACC >Donic BF M2, ACC=Donic Bluestorm Z2.


The ACC Dynaryz has a medium to low arc. I was looping with it near and mid distance from the table and observe the rubber to be very spinny. The grippy yet matte topsheet produces very high amount of spin. If you like Tenergy 64 but does not like its price, the ACC version is a good alternative since this is a long trajectory rubber with huge amounts of spin. You can feel the ball kick against your blade if you are blocking against it. The spin of the ACC is almost in the level of Tenergy 64. It is very spinny and spinnier than a Bluestorm Z2 or even an MXP 47.5 degree version.


This is impressive because the ACC despite being a very fast rubber has good amount of control. Although it is as fast as the Rhyzer 48, the level of control is simply much better and it is more forgiving. To think, when you are using the Dynaryz ACC, it seems you are using control type rubber because it is accurate and very easy to handle. Other areas that is is really good to use is ability to smash really good. Also, it was quite surprising to be not too bouncy on short and delicate shots like drop shots and short pushes.


Overall, this is a rubber that is good in almost aspect and with a very balanced amount of speed, control and spin.




Joola Dynaryz AGR
Weight: 71 grams uncut
Speed: OFF++
Spin: Extreme



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The Dynaryz AGR is the aggressive type of rubber in the Dynaryz series. This was built purely for offensive purposes and is a monster in both in and out of the table. Both the AGR and ACC versions of the Dynaryz have this specification on each of their topsheets which has a 0.5mm spacing in between pimples, 1.7mm width of each pimple and 0.9mm height of each pip. Both have the same pip and topsheet structure but differs in sponge hardness and some other things that I will mention below. The topsheet is matted red and black with purple sponge. I think this is still a thin topsheet thick sponge type of ESN rubber.


The AGR version is the faster one between the 2 rubbers. The speed difference is just big. When using the AGR in a 5 ply limba-limba blade, you could already feel the force of your drives on impact and it is even more evident when using a composite blade. I only used a koto-carbon-aramid blade and I already felt the increase in speed multiple times. This rubber is not a joke. The speed is faster than the Joola Rhyzer 50. The difference is that the Joola Rhyzer 50 has more "gears" while the Dynaryz AGR is bouncy in all aspects even with shorts shots so you have to adjust a bit. In terms of bounciness, the AGR is faster than both Tenergy 64 or Tenergy 05. The difference between the Rhyzer 50 and the Dynaryz AGR is that the Rhyzer needs more sponge compression to produce fast and powerfull shots while the Dynaryz AGR is outright bouncy. It felt like I was using a pure carbon blade in the level of Primorac Carbon instead of just a Viscaria type blade when I was using the Dynaryz AGR so I should caution everyone that this is very fast.


Many will ask how is the spin of the Dynaryz AGR. I think this is their first rubber that I can confidently say that this has the spin in the level of Tenergy 05 but has much more power. It does have a slightly lower arc than T05. The arc is between that of Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 64 so I would put it at medium to medium-high if the Tenergy 05's arc is medium-high to high arc.
The Dynaryz AGR has a very grippy topsheet that you can lift backspin balls with less effort. I have greatly observed this when receving underspin/backspin balls in the backhand. It has this good amount of bite with the ball either with a flick or opening loops in both the backhand and forehand. So far, this is the spinniest non-tacky Joola rubber in theirt arsenal. The Golden Tango PS and vanilla versions are both spinny but pales ion comparison with the power. ON stronger shots , the Dynaryz AGR has more juice and more power to offer.


I really admire this rubber because this still has a good amount of control despite its speed compared to other hard and fast rubbers in its class. I reckon this would be a hit among new rubbers that will come out this 2020. This is simply a superb rubber!

mlax
02-23-2020, 02:17 PM
High praise! It’s seems like in terms of arc you are saying it’s like a Tenergy 80?

How does it compare to Dignics?

Renan Angelici
02-23-2020, 02:57 PM
I was looking forward to hear your impressions on this, Yogi! I have a few questions, comparing Dynaryz to Rhyzer:

Dynaryz AGR has a higher arc comparted to Rhyzer 50 Pro?

I find Rhyzer 50 Pro to feel way harder than it's nominal 50 degree would imply. Do you think AGR feels softer or harder than Rhyzer 50 Pro?

yogi_bear
02-23-2020, 03:41 PM
If i am not mistaken, i think Rhyzer 50 has a higher arc. Not 100% sure on the hardness but they are almost the same. The Rhyzer 50 has a feeling of being hard probably partly due to its topsheet.

ZeroTT
02-23-2020, 07:17 PM
First of all, Thanks a lot Yogi for another high effort, very informative review. I really appreciate these posts.

From what I found on the Joola websites:
Dynaryz ACC is 47 degrees hardness ( ACC stands for accuracy)
Dynaryz AGR is 50 degrees hardness (AGR stands for aggressive)

I like that they give so much pip structure information now, that really helps.
The 1.7 pip width is exactly the same as Tenergy 05,64 and 80
Joola says the spacing is 0.6 and height is 0.9 but I can't find how the spacing and length on Tenergy is.
Butterfly only provides the width of 1.7 and says that 64 has higher pip length then 05 and 80 is in between.

For me the feeling of the top sheet is very important because I tried Rhyzer 48 and Rhyzer pro 50 and for me 48 feels great because it still has some soft feel and 50 feels bad because it "feels" like a brick sometimes.
I tried Rhyzer pro 45 after that and it still felt harder then the Rhyzer 48. Because of that different topsheet.

My Questions to you:
1. You said that the AGR has the same spin level as 05 but more power so it should be an overall improvement for a Tenergy 05 then?
My first reaction would be to take the ACC because it has a 47 degree sponge which is the same as Tenergy 05.
But your view is: if you like Tenergy05 better go for the AGR version?
I like T05 but not T64...

2. Does this rubber use the Thin top sheet Max Sponge technology as the Rhyzers, Rassants etc.. ?
Every new ESN rubber was using it and it was the next big thing.

P1ngP0ng3r
02-23-2020, 08:55 PM
Thanks for the review Yoga.
Might give ACC a try :)

yogi_bear
02-23-2020, 09:59 PM
First of all, Thanks a lot Yogi for another high effort, very informative review. I really appreciate these posts.

From what I found on the Joola websites:
Dynaryz ACC is 47 degrees hardness ( ACC stands for accuracy)
Dynaryz AGR is 50 degrees hardness (AGR stands for aggressive)

I like that they give so much pip structure information now, that really helps.
The 1.7 pip width is exactly the same as Tenergy 05,64 and 80
Joola says the spacing is 0.6 and height is 0.9 but I can't find how the spacing and length on Tenergy is.
Butterfly only provides the width of 1.7 and says that 64 has higher pip length then 05 and 80 is in between.

For me the feeling of the top sheet is very important because I tried Rhyzer 48 and Rhyzer pro 50 and for me 48 feels great because it still has some soft feel and 50 feels bad because it "feels" like a brick sometimes.
I tried Rhyzer pro 45 after that and it still felt harder then the Rhyzer 48. Because of that different topsheet.

My Questions to you:
1. You said that the AGR has the same spin level as 05 but more power so it should be an overall improvement for a Tenergy 05 then?
My first reaction would be to take the ACC because it has a 47 degree sponge which is the same as Tenergy 05.
But your view is: if you like Tenergy05 better go for the AGR version?
I like T05 but not T64...

2. Does this rubber use the Thin top sheet Max Sponge technology as the Rhyzers, Rassants etc.. ?
Every new ESN rubber was using it and it was the next big thing.

1. Tenergy 05"s speed is not that fast. There are lots of faster rubbers. It is its arc and sensitivity to spin that makes the ball go out of the table. T05 might have a 47 to the 48 degree sponge but the playing characteristics are not the same with AGR. Also, T05 has always been the rubber to compare with that is why I have com0ared it to the AGR. You can also compare it with T05H.
2. I think I have mentioned it already that it is thin topsheet, thick sponge rubber.

Zaid323918
02-23-2020, 11:23 PM
What happened with the ownership of Joola if you don't mind me asking?

yogi_bear
02-24-2020, 12:00 AM
Joola USA bought Joola Germany. I think the company that produces Ipong before is the one that bought Joola Germany if i am not mistaken.

BryanY
02-24-2020, 01:09 AM
Thanks for the review!

I’m currently using Rhyzer 50. In comparison does the AGR have a higher trajectory? Which rubber is better for brushing? (That’s probably a strange question for non-tacky rubber, but I like to brush occasionally).

Also I feel like Rhyzer 50 has good control during touch play. Is AGR as good?

yogi_bear
02-24-2020, 04:06 AM
I think Rhyzer 50 has a higher arc. AGR is better

mlax
02-24-2020, 04:37 AM
Yogi, how does the AGR compare to the Xiom 7 Hyper?

yogi_bear
02-24-2020, 06:11 AM
Hyper has a harder sponge overall and is faster.

Renan Angelici
02-24-2020, 11:54 AM
Yogi, considering the topsheet alone, which has more grip: Rhyzer 50 Pro or Dynaryz AGR?

yogi_bear
02-24-2020, 01:29 PM
I would bet on the AGR any day over the Rhyzer 50.

kneckedeck
02-25-2020, 12:29 PM
Yogi, how would you compare Dynaryz AGR to Stiga DNA Pro H?

yogi_bear
02-25-2020, 08:56 PM
AGR is way faster and spinnier.

ZeroTT
02-27-2020, 03:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9agtsyT5yc

This is a first look video on the rubbers.
He will post a review soon too.

I'm interested in seeing it because his level is decent, so I wanna see if he can handle it.
If you look at his Xiom O7 hyper review you could see he had a hard time taming that rubber,despite his level.

merlin el mago
02-27-2020, 03:54 PM
Dynaryz AGR is more spinnier than Omega VII Hyper?

BryanY
02-27-2020, 04:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9agtsyT5yc

This is a first look video on the rubbers.
He will post a review soon too.

I'm interested in seeing it because his level is decent, so I wanna see if he can handle it.
If you look at his Xiom O7 hyper review you could see he had a hard time taming that rubber,despite his level.

He says that the AGR version has 52.5 degree sponge.

Renan Angelici
02-27-2020, 04:33 PM
One thing that surprised me on Louis's video is that he states AGR has 52,5 degrees of hardness. Most things I've read about AGR on forums reported 50 degrees, instead.

Yogi, do you know what the actual hardness is?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9agtsyT5yc

This is a first look video on the rubbers.
He will post a review soon too.

I'm interested in seeing it because his level is decent, so I wanna see if he can handle it.
If you look at his Xiom O7 hyper review you could see he had a hard time taming that rubber,despite his level.

Renan Angelici
02-27-2020, 04:33 PM
Oops. 1 minute too late! Sry.


He says that the AGR version has 52.5 degree sponge.

yogi_bear
02-27-2020, 10:18 PM
The sponges are at 50 and 47.5 according to the site.

Jiang Ove Makong
02-27-2020, 10:44 PM
AGR is way faster and spinnier.

I would like to pay much respect to your efforts. I have read many of your reviews and can't help but notice how your rating/opinion of spin changes. I recall you mentioning 05, rhyzer 48, z1, rhyzer 50 and now agr as spinniest.
(omega 7 was mentioned by someone somewhere, perhps not you)
Could you perhaps recap which of these rubbers would mostlikely produce a classic unblockable/over-the-table-blocked return on full power openings?
very much obliged!

yogi_bear
02-28-2020, 08:15 AM
I would like to pay much respect to your efforts. I have read many of your reviews and can't help but notice how your rating/opinion of spin changes. I recall you mentioning 05, rhyzer 48, z1, rhyzer 50 and now agr as spinniest.
(omega 7 was mentioned by someone somewhere, perhps not you)
Could you perhaps recap which of these rubbers would mostlikely produce a classic unblockable/over-the-table-blocked return on full power openings?
very much obliged!
I did not say that AGR is spinnier than T05 but i can say it has the same amount of spin with more catapult effect. As a company produces newer rubbers, the importance of producing rubbers that are as spinny as tenergy because it has been the benchmark of rubbers for the last decade. I would definitely feel the spin increase since i am the first one alwaysto try out new rubbers. Also, what is the point if you cannot have better rubbers than what you have produced before? Other companies will sure over take the sales.

Konrad Bak
02-28-2020, 09:50 AM
T05 is not the spinniest rubber but has ability to play like 45-50 sponge.
The biggest difference is sponge, Butterfly has the best sponge in market

Jiang Ove Makong
02-28-2020, 09:57 AM
I did not say that AGR is spinnier than T05 but i can say it has the same amount of spin with more catapult effect. As a company produces newer rubbers, the importance of producing rubbers that are as spinny as tenergy because it has been the benchmark of rubbers for the last decade. I would definitely feel the spin increase since i am the first one alwaysto try out new rubbers. Also, what is the point if you cannot have better rubbers than what you have produced before? Other companies will sure over take the sales.
So, despite all the obligations, could you still make a recommendation, as to answer my search?

yogi_bear
02-28-2020, 01:43 PM
If compared to the line of Joola rubbers, you have what you are looking for with AGR Dynaryz

Hamasaki_Fanz
02-28-2020, 04:07 PM
Hi yogi, how do you compare the bounciness of those 2 rubbers to rasanter old series? (not r53)

yogi_bear
02-28-2020, 04:26 PM
Both acc and agr are faster than the r47. The acc seem only a bit faster by a small margin than the r47

Kolev
02-28-2020, 11:23 PM
No one mentioned how's lifting backspin balls. I have bad experience with the new soft top sheet hard sponge rubbers when it comes to lift chopped balls. I tend to brush , so Rhyzer 50 is a bliss for me.but Omega 7 Pro and Asia were a disaster with their soft top, although Pro plays wonderfully on my BH

Konrad Bak
02-28-2020, 11:53 PM
Thin topsheet is very easy for open backspin so agc and acc should easy open EVery backspin
Xiom omega 7 is without new Technology.

Kolev
02-29-2020, 09:13 AM
I don't know the new technology involved in AGR and ACC. I hope it will be similar to Rhyzer 50. The thin top sheet of Omega 7 doesn't help in lifting cause anyway we have to involve the sponge

Konrad Bak
02-29-2020, 10:23 AM
Omega 7 dont have SSP.
All rubbers from Omega 7 have low throw

Kolev
03-01-2020, 12:55 PM
Ah yeah ,the SSP.... I should have guessed immediately. Thanks

MoSpin24
03-03-2020, 03:18 PM
'Looeelooee TT' has posted a follow-up video review on YouTube. It is called 'Joola Dynaryz Rubbers REVIEW!' Unfortunately, I cannot post links yet, but you can search for it using the above quoted.

lasta
03-03-2020, 03:55 PM
What is this ssp technology business??? Are they putting microchips in rubbers now?

Omega 7's don't have low-throw. I don't like the rubbers but they have more grip and higher throw than T05.

BryanY
03-03-2020, 07:16 PM
https://youtu.be/Tcoz5gGiUrA

ZeroTT
03-04-2020, 07:40 AM
He compares the AGR to Dignics 05,interesting.

He has a lot of experience with Joola and especially Rhyzer 50 and says it's an upgrade and will switch to this rubber now.
That new sponge (Hyperbounce) seems an improvement.

manuvernillo
03-04-2020, 09:14 AM
I have been using since one week ca. the new two Joola rubbers Dynaryz, an AGR 2.0mm black on FH and an ACC 2.0mm red on the BH.
I generally agree with Loole review: I have used for a year a Rhyzer PRO 50 (max.) on the FH and first a Rhyzer 48 (max.) then a Rhyzer PRO 50 (max.) on the BH, and my impressions, using the Rhyzers, was that, although the hard sponge hardness, the grippy topsheet gave still a not too hard feeling from the rubber. With the AGR I suddenly felt an update from that: my topspins were suddenly more powerful but at the same time without losing too much control. I am not a PRO player but also not a beginner: the AGR is more direct that the Rhyzer, I have a harder feeling but still the dewll time of the ball on the rubber is there and I don't have the feeling of "losing" the ball because of the hardness. I had the same feeling from the ACC, I am using it on the BH and I can say that I have a sensation of more control now rather than before. I really feel the ball more than before with almost the same speed. I am mainly a FH player and I think these rubbers are an improvement from Joola. Nobilis is the blade I am playing since almost two years.
I never used the Dignics so I can't say more about this comparison.

ZeroTT
03-04-2020, 11:28 AM
Thanks for the extra info Manuvernillo.

I am gonna order one this week and test it myself.
I'm just not sure to order the AGR or ACC.

I always played with Tenergy05, Rhyzer48,Rasanter47,Gewo nexus48 etc
So the Hardness of ACC may suit me better.

But most reviewers seem to be the most positive over the AGR.

Hamasaki_Fanz
03-04-2020, 05:16 PM
Thanks for the extra info Manuvernillo.

I am gonna order one this week and test it myself.
I'm just not sure to order the AGR or ACC.

I always played with Tenergy05, Rhyzer48,Rasanter47,Gewo nexus48 etc
So the Hardness of ACC may suit me better.

But most reviewers seem to be the most positive over the AGR.

It depends on how you play. If you play fast table tennis like female players ACC would be suitable, if you like to play power shot like CNT players, AGR is more suitable

guni4you
03-04-2020, 06:24 PM
Hey Yogi,
Can you please compare AGR to R53?
Both acc and agr are faster than the r47. The acc seem only a bit faster by a small margin than the r47

yogi_bear
03-05-2020, 05:14 AM
I cannot compare enough since as what i have said i only tried the r53 in a very short time. The AGR felt very different and felt like DNA H with some sort of medium softness in the topsheet but spinnier and faster. I felt the AGR easier to spin with.

TableTennisTom
03-06-2020, 10:50 AM
Not sure I can add too much more to what has already been said, but for what it is worth here is my review of using Dynaryz ACC and AGR over the past two weeks... https://www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/review-joola-dynaryz-acc-agr-rubbers/

ZeroTT
03-06-2020, 12:16 PM
Thanks for the review Tom

I'm currently playing with a Rhyzer48 on forehand as well.
I thought you would recommend the ACC because it has almost the same hardness (47.5) as Rhyzer 48.
But it seems AGR felt better for you?

How do the dynaryz rubbers feel in terms of hardness compared to your Rhyzer 48?
I'm a bit scared to go for AGR because 50 degree might be too hard for me.

TableTennisTom
03-06-2020, 07:35 PM
How do the dynaryz rubbers feel in terms of hardness compared to your Rhyzer 48?
I'm a bit scared to go for AGR because 50 degree might be too hard for me.

The AGR rubber doesn't feel that hard. I tried Rhyzer Pro 50, which was too hard for me. I couldn't play with this at all. But AGR feels a bit more like Rhyzer 48, but faster and more spin generation.

ZeroTT
03-08-2020, 03:23 PM
Thanks for the answer Tom.
I had the exact same problem Rhyzer48 felt good to me but I couldn't play with the Rhyzer50 pro at all.
Probably the harder topsheet of the 50 pro was the problem.

yogi_bear
03-08-2020, 03:55 PM
the AGR's topsheet does not feel hard and allows better grip or bite of the ball.

mlax
03-08-2020, 06:01 PM
If someone can compare the Dynaryz AGR to the Andro R53, that would be great. Lot's of descriptions of the two rubbers (doesn't feel as hard etc) are similar

ZeroTT
03-11-2020, 12:21 PM
Because I Only read positive reviews about this I decided to give this a try.

After some consideration I opted to buy the ACC first and maybe the AGR in a few months.

After 2 training sessions I can honestly say that I absolutely love it.
This is the first Rubber that instantly gave me the same feel as Tenergy 05.
I tried Rhyzer 48,Gewo Nexus EL 48,Hexer Powergrip,R47,Vega X and played years of Tenergy 05 and 05fx.

This is the best so far for me.
Right now My ranking is Dynaryz ACC > Nexus 48 > R47 > VegaX/Powergrip

What I love most about it is the soft feeling despite still having so much speed.
That's what I always loved about T05 as well, it was the feeling and the touch I had with it.
With Tenergy It always felt I had a good "bite" into the ball when playing heavy spin and Dynaryz has this same feeling.

Let's hope the durability will be ok because my long search for my T05 replacement will be over then.

merlin el mago
03-11-2020, 12:35 PM
I bought mine AGR for 50€90 here: https://100x100pingpong.com/es/lisas/664-joola-dynaryz-agr.html

Also sells ACC for the same price https://100x100pingpong.com/es/lisas/663-joola-dynaryz-acc.html

merlin el mago
03-12-2020, 02:42 PM
Dynaryz AGR is more spinnier than Omega VII Hyper?

??????

Konrad Bak
03-12-2020, 04:48 PM
Omg xiom rubbers are not the spinniest so what do you want...
Harder rubber= Harder generate rotation

sspark80
03-12-2020, 05:26 PM
Because I Only read positive reviews about this I decided to give this a try.

After some consideration I opted to buy the ACC first and maybe the AGR in a few months.

After 2 training sessions I can honestly say that I absolutely love it.
This is the first Rubber that instantly gave me the same feel as Tenergy 05.
I tried Rhyzer 48,Gewo Nexus EL 48,Hexer Powergrip,R47,Vega X and played years of Tenergy 05 and 05fx.

This is the best so far for me.
Right now My ranking is Dynaryz ACC > Nexus 48 > R47 > VegaX/Powergrip

What I love most about it is the soft feeling despite still having so much speed.
That's what I always loved about T05 as well, it was the feeling and the touch I had with it.
With Tenergy It always felt I had a good "bite" into the ball when playing heavy spin and Dynaryz has this same feeling.

Let's hope the durability will be ok because my long search for my T05 replacement will be over then.

Thanks for sharing your observations. Would you say that ACC is as bouncy as T05 in the short game?

yogi_bear
03-14-2020, 08:23 AM
Imo, it(acc) is more like T64.

yogi_bear
03-16-2020, 09:22 PM
Here is the promotional video of Dynaryz rubbers. You can see the new blades there too in a short clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB0S90eIrlE

MoSpin24
03-20-2020, 05:44 PM
Yogi, would you rank Joola ACC ahead of Stiga DNA M and Xiom Omega VII Pro in terms of spin?

Tommy16
03-20-2020, 06:23 PM
How about durability of these rubbers. Has someone had a chance to play with these long enough to make a statement?

yoass
03-20-2020, 06:33 PM
We’re always so eager to jump in new stuff and much less so in sharing experiences with the familiar.

Durability is not something you can judge for the shiny and new.

As a whole modern day durability is piss poor, with little exception.

Vega Pro and Tenergy 05 were above par (still far from good), Fastarc G-1 has been lasting a bit better still. Yet far from enough.

Sriver (today’s rubber by that name) was horrendous, so was Rasant Grip, Donic Bluefire.

Middle of the road (way below par) were Rakza 7 and -Soft, Tenergy 05fx, GoldArc 8.

The world has been changing for a while now. We should really leave that “apres nous, la déluge” throwaway mentality behind us. Folks, stuff should last!

Kuba Hajto
03-20-2020, 07:58 PM
We’re always so eager to jump in new stuff and much less so in sharing experiences with the familiar.

Durability is not something you can judge for the shiny and new.

As a whole modern day durability is piss poor, with little exception.

The durability is poor because performance is high. It is common pattern, tuned car engine fails more easily, overclocked computer parts tend to break more frequent, I think same applies for rubbers. The more boosted it is (even from factory) the quicker it will deteriorate. Hurricane brick tend to last forever while ESN rubbers fade after month or two of usage. I think said pattern is prominent.

yoass
03-20-2020, 08:00 PM
The durability is poor because performance is high. It is common pattern, tuned car engine fails more easily, overclocked computer parts tend to break more frequent, I think same applies for rubbers.

Yes, up to a certain point. Sriver used to last for years, but now it doesn't anymore. Either way, we should stop this madness and put longevity first and foremost when assessing the quality of things. The question should not just be "how does this play when new?" but also "and how will it play two years from now?". Resource exhaustion is real.

Kuba Hajto
03-20-2020, 08:13 PM
Yes, up to a certain point. Sriver used to last for years, but now it doesn't anymore. Either way, we should stop this madness and put longevity first and foremost when assessing the quality of things. The question should not just be "how does this play when new?" but also "and how will it play two years from now?". Resource exhaustion is real.
I think this is a topic for another thread. If someone wants to have fresh rubbers every 6 months he will do it either way. I haven't yet a person who disposes rubbers. They usually are reused in this way or another. Sometimes people sell their old rubbers to less advanced players sometimes they donate them to Africa. I personally either sell them with blade I don't use OR keep them in the wardrobe to use in returnboard.

zizka
06-28-2020, 10:48 AM
Hello! How do you think, these rubbers will work well with the apolonia zlc? Or better koto/alc?

vivastevenlee
07-27-2020, 08:24 PM
Hi, Yogi, My blade is DHS W968, and I'm using Butterfly D64 for my BH, how much do you think AGR can improve my BH shots? Tks.

ChaimOrtiz
07-28-2020, 08:05 AM
Looks very innovative and nice, hope it won't surprise me about the price :)))

DragonOwen
08-06-2020, 09:44 AM
Bought both ACC and AGR, both in 2.0 thickness... Played with them for a month, then decided that ACC is not for me, it's a bit too soft and bouncy for my liking on FH (I have very wide motion on my FH, IMO for ACC on FH more modern compact motion is better) and it's tough to serve with it (not easy to generate a lot of spin on serve and make low short serves)... Initially I was going to use AGR on FH, but after playing with it, almost imidiatly decided otherwise, I can't control and feel it, but on BH it's different story, on BH for me it's an awesome rubber, very sharp and controlled top-spins, amazing agressive controlled block, great short game and serves... As for why AGR is so different for me on FH and BH, IMO it's because of the wrist, I tend to use wrist a lot on BH, and almost not using it on FH... IMHO ACC is good rubber, but not worth the price, GEWO Nexxus EL48 is on the same level, but more forgiving and it easier to generate spin with it (especially on serves), but it cheaper. AGR is a great rubber, but somewhat difficult, IMO you have to use wrist with it to make it shine and to control it, but even with this it's not very forgiving... So now I use AGR 2.0 on BH and Gewo Nexxus EL50 on FH, works great for me...

P.S. Also, about durability... IMHO not very good, ACC especially... after 1.5 months of play I placed new AGR on my main blade, and placed my "old" AGR on my second "training" blade... both ACC and AGR is playable after 1.5 months of play, but they look like my GEWO Nexxus EL-series after 3 months of play... and if we consider that Dynaryz not very cheap (more expensive than GEWO Nexxus EL for example), that is deffinetly a thing to consider...

P.P.S. The last straw in my relationship with ACC was the final match (for the 1-st place) of one tournament, my opponent had good block control and I had to strengthen very strongly with FH so that he could not block (otherwise it did not work with ACC, the ball was too simple for the opponent), as a result, in the second half of the match my hand was "cut off", the top-spin did not fly at all, and the short game crumbled, because feeling was gone... With EL50 instead of ACC, I think the match would have turned out differently, not the fact that I would have won, but I would hardly have felt so helpless in the end... If someone interested, here video of the metioned match, playing ACC [black,2.0] on FH and AGR [red, 2.0] on BH (I am Lykov, in a blue-green T-shirt):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVe6sa_DKmo

ocelen
09-02-2020, 05:39 PM
Thinking about switching to nobilis +AGR whats been your experience. Coming from nittaku fastarc G1s and septear lead.

I have been using since one week ca. the new two Joola rubbers Dynaryz, an AGR 2.0mm black on FH and an ACC 2.0mm red on the BH.
I generally agree with Loole review: I have used for a year a Rhyzer PRO 50 (max.) on the FH and first a Rhyzer 48 (max.) then a Rhyzer PRO 50 (max.) on the BH, and my impressions, using the Rhyzers, was that, although the hard sponge hardness, the grippy topsheet gave still a not too hard feeling from the rubber. With the AGR I suddenly felt an update from that: my topspins were suddenly more powerful but at the same time without losing too much control. I am not a PRO player but also not a beginner: the AGR is more direct that the Rhyzer, I have a harder feeling but still the dewll time of the ball on the rubber is there and I don't have the feeling of "losing" the ball because of the hardness. I had the same feeling from the ACC, I am using it on the BH and I can say that I have a sensation of more control now rather than before. I really feel the ball more than before with almost the same speed. I am mainly a FH player and I think these rubbers are an improvement from Joola. Nobilis is the blade I am playing since almost two years.
I never used the Dignics so I can't say more about this comparison.

yogi_bear
09-03-2020, 12:46 AM
Hi, Yogi, My blade is DHS W968, and I'm using Butterfly D64 for my BH, how much do you think AGR can improve my BH shots? Tks.

I cant say as i only tried D05 and D09c but to be fair i liked it on both sides than ACC.

yogi_bear
09-03-2020, 12:47 AM
Thinking about switching to nobilis +AGR whats been your experience. Coming from nittaku fastarc G1s and septear lead.

Nobilis would be more controllable with AGR or rather AGR on Nobilis.

yogi_bear
09-03-2020, 03:06 AM
For durability, a friend of mine who have used both ACC and AGR told me that with him playing everyday for 2 to 3 hrs including multiball sessions, the 2 rubbers reduce their grio by about 30-40% after a month.

LordPippington
09-03-2020, 03:08 AM
I quite like both of the rubbers. Having used mainly tenergy 64 as of late, swapping to either dynaryz rubber didn't require much of a change at all, if any... Initial testing, t64 was easier for me to generate spin on serves. Though a few tweaks here and there brings out the spin of the dynaryz.

To me the main, and real noticeable difference was in the feel and sound. The ACC has that distinct ESN style POP when hitting/looping the ball. All in all a wonderful rubber. However, the price isn't so drastically below a tenergy sheet that I would recommend it on that aspect alone. 65 vs 80 dollars, and with tenergy most likely lasting longer...

I ask myself, would I swap to this over tenergy if the price was the same? Probably not! All things considered, though I love that purple sponge color ;) Yogi's initial review seems to cover everything I might have mentioned, so not worth delving into, aside from personal preference.

Having said that, I do use the GOLDEN TANGO rubber instead of tenergy for the chop/loop game now.

ocelen
09-03-2020, 03:17 AM
thanks a lot for the comment. I like the septear's control however struggle with the handle size (too short). I believe my game would benefit from both blade and rubber change as well..
Nobilis would be more controllable with AGR or rather AGR on Nobilis.

manuvernillo
09-03-2020, 06:46 AM
Thinking about switching to nobilis +AGR whats been your experience. Coming from nittaku fastarc G1s and septear lead.

My experience so far is very positive. Then it depends on your style of game. Compared to Rhyzer, in my opinion you loose a bit of control with the Dynaryz. Maybe you can give a try to the ACC as well, softer than AGR. Regarding the Nobilis, for me this is the blade. But this is just my personal feeling. I have tried many many other blades, and in the end I have always come back to Nobilis.
Never tried the Nittaku Fastarc. I am now giving a try to DNA Pro H, and at the moment the impressions are really positive.

ocelen
09-03-2020, 07:48 PM
I changed to Fastarc G1 recently on my main paddle. It s a very spiny rubber with decent speed. I am an all round attacker around USATT ranking of 1800-1900. I have a friend who has a nobilis and gives amazing spin with this blade with the help of rhyzer or AGRs (now). I also block aggressively and actively and find his topspins hard to predict after it bounces off the table. Therefore , I believe my next step is to move to that setup for myself as well. I have good control on my spins and direction however, the umph and unpredictability is missing in my current setup plus not happy with the handle of my current blade as it is short and have slightly larger hands than an average player.


My experience so far is very positive. Then it depends on your style of game. Compared to Rhyzer, in my opinion you loose a bit of control with the Dynaryz. Maybe you can give a try to the ACC as well, softer than AGR. Regarding the Nobilis, for me this is the blade. But this is just my personal feeling. I have tried many many other blades, and in the end I have always come back to Nobilis.
Never tried the Nittaku Fastarc. I am now giving a try to DNA Pro H, and at the moment the impressions are really positive.

manuvernillo
09-04-2020, 08:16 AM
I changed to Fastarc G1 recently on my main paddle. It s a very spiny rubber with decent speed. I am an all round attacker around USATT ranking of 1800-1900. I have a friend who has a nobilis and gives amazing spin with this blade with the help of rhyzer or AGRs (now). I also block aggressively and actively and find his topspins hard to predict after it bounces off the table. Therefore , I believe my next step is to move to that setup for myself as well. I have good control on my spins and direction however, the umph and unpredictability is missing in my current setup plus not happy with the handle of my current blade as it is short and have slightly larger hands than an average player.

Let me say that if the spins of your team mate are so hard to predict, it is not only because of the rubbers, but mainly of the movement and the stroke he makes. I don't think that there would such an enormous difference if your team mate would use a Fastarc G1. If you are mainly an allround player, my 2 cent advice would be to stay with Fastarc or go to Rhyzer because my experience with the AGR and the ACC is that they are harder, so sometimes you loose in control. And the Fastarc or a Rhyzer would give you anyway the chance to have aggressive blocks.

Martijn Heemskerk
10-27-2020, 01:29 AM
I was thinking of buying a set of dynaryz rubbers and using it with a Rossi emotion pbo-c blade. However from your review yogi it looks like you felt that agr had a higher trajectory than acc while joola states in their catalogue that acc has a trajectory of 7,5 and agr one of 5,5, also i was wondering what others thought of this. I like faster rubbers, but if the arc is too low i wont be able to control it. What do you guys think, is the agr arc pronounced enough to control it easily(-ish).

IzetSpin2012
12-17-2020, 12:22 AM
I am using dynaryz for one month and I am very statisfied with rubbers. I use them on both sides. In combination with my slower blade they doing really good job. Especially when it comes to counter attacking opponents topspins. Rubbers were very stiff for a longer time when I put them on blade and after about 20 days I got used to it.

yogi_bear
12-17-2020, 08:25 AM
I love the AGR more as a backhand rubber. The bloxking and backhand loops are really amazing.

Scuff
05-03-2021, 11:04 PM
I’ve been using AGR max on a Tibhar Powerspin carbon blade.
It suits my attacking game with great speed generated with reduced swing.
I have found that lifting those backspin balls generates great spin with relative ease.
Thanks for the in depth review.

yogi_bear
05-04-2021, 05:01 AM
I’ve been using AGR max on a Tibhar Powerspin carbon blade.
It suits my attacking game with great speed generated with reduced swing.
I have found that lifting those backspin balls generates great spin with relative ease.
Thanks for the in depth review.
The Dynaryz series rubbers are great but the newer Rhyzen rubbers are slightly tacktacky, spinnier maybe somewhat a notch slower in speed.

Armin
02-16-2022, 09:52 PM
Can you plese compare it to the older version Rhyzer pro50 since I am using it on bh and fh on Aruna off blade. This setup i great for me (I had a problem with bh side in the beging but its ok now). What is your recomendatin for switching the rubbers /// to go for Dynaryz ACC/AGR, Dynaryz CMD/ZGR, Rhyzen CMD/ZGR or some mix betveen those rubbers.

AMonteiro
02-16-2022, 11:48 PM
Can you plese compare it to the older version Rhyzer pro50 since I am using it on bh and fh on Aruna off blade. This setup i great for me (I had a problem with bh side in the beging but its ok now). What is your recomendatin for switching the rubbers /// to go for Dynaryz ACC/AGR, Dynaryz CMD/ZGR, Rhyzen CMD/ZGR or some mix betveen those rubbers.
I used to play with Rhyzer 50 both sides and switched to AGR both sides, what I can say is AGR sponge is faster, and overall AGR throw angle is a little lower compared to Rhyzer 50. Spin wise they are close, Rhyzer 50 I felt more spin but just because it is a little slower and the ball have dwell time on rubber.

Hardness is about the same, both 50° ESN sponge but AGR feels more dynamic, more bounce due to its faster sponge.

Manto76
02-17-2022, 07:46 AM
Can you plese compare it to the older version Rhyzer pro50 since I am using it on bh and fh on Aruna off blade. This setup i great for me ...
If your current setup is "great" for you, why do you want to change? It may help folks give you better feedback to know what you're looking for compared to what's already working well for you.

Armin
02-17-2022, 10:17 AM
If your current setup is "great" for you, why do you want to change? It may help folks give you better feedback to know what you're looking for compared to what's already working well for you.
I just want to change, nothing more than that 😊 Pro 50 is great becouse its not bouncy and its great for pushing ans drop shots. Since its not so bouncy i can play safer and if I hit harder speed is increased drasticly. I am thinkin on zgr or cmd versions rhyzen or dynaryz.

Armin
02-17-2022, 10:25 AM
I used to play with Rhyzer 50 both sides and switched to AGR both sides, what I can say is AGR sponge is faster, and overall AGR throw angle is a little lower compared to Rhyzer 50. Spin wise they are close, Rhyzer 50 I felt more spin but just because it is a little slower and the ball have dwell time on rubber.

Hardness is about the same, both 50° ESN sponge but AGR feels more dynamic, more bounce due to its faster sponge.
Thanks man. I like pro 50 since it is not bouncy. Other characteristics are in the range of current tensor rubbers in therms of speed and spin except the t05 witch is a litle spinier IMO but more control for pro50. I just want to change to something newer, nothing more than that

Manto76
02-17-2022, 12:11 PM
I just want to change, nothing more than that 😊 Pro 50 is great becouse its not bouncy and its great for pushing ans drop shots. Since its not so bouncy i can play safer and if I hit harder speed is increased drasticly. I am thinkin on zgr or cmd versions rhyzen or dynaryz.
Nothing wrong with that! A change can be good fun if it works out nicely!

I know what you mean about the safety of the Pro50. I've also used it in the past and found it the same as you: very predictable on soft shots, and very powerful when you go for it.

I can't comment on the newer Joola rubbers as I haven't played with them, but if you're looking for a change with similar characteristics then maybe something like Xiom Omega Asia V or VII might suit?

05-10-2022, 01:46 PM
yogi_bear;306673Joola Dynaryz AGR dan karet ACC

Joola mengalami beberapa perombakan tahun lalu karena perubahan kepemilikan dan perubahan dilakukan.
Mereka bahkan mengubah logo perusahaan mereka. Sejauh ini perubahannya bagus dan kita bisa melihat perubahan pada produk terbaru mereka mulai dari karet Rhyzer dan juga bilah PBO-C.
Dynaryz tampaknya menjadi nama yang menarik terutama untuk penggemar GoT dan seorang teman saya bahkan bertanya apakah ini datang dengan naga. Tidak, tetapi ia hadir dengan nama lain yang terdengar GoT yang akan segera saya posting.


Bagaimanapun, karet Joola Dynaryz baru datang dalam 2 versi - ACC dan AGR. Saya akan menjelaskan setiap karet secara menyeluruh sebanyak yang saya bisa. Berikut beberapa fotonya:


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Joola Dynaryz ACC
Berat: 69 gram belum dipotong
Kecepatan: OFF+
Putar: Sangat Tinggi


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Dynaryz ACC memiliki spons yang lebih lembut dibandingkan dengan AGR. Pada pandangan pertama, ACC Dynaryz
dapat disalahartikan sebagai karet Tibhar karena spons ungunya tetapi hanya tampilannya yang mirip dan cara bermainnya sangat berbeda. Saya tidak memiliki info pasti tentang berapa kekerasan spons Dynaryz
ACC tetapi tampaknya 47-48 derajat dan lembaran atas pada lunak sedang. Saya dapat menekan lembaran atas dan spons sampai tingkat tertentu dan rasanya seperti keras sedang dan juga terasa sedikit lebih lembut daripada Rhyzer 50. Saya hanya melakukan referensi tentang kekerasan karena saya perlu bertanya kepada Joola tentang ini terlebih dahulu.


Dynaryz ACC adalah versi yang lebih "jinak" dari 2 karet Dynaryz. Ini memiliki celah tertentu dalam hal kecepatan dan kekuatan jika dibandingkan dengan versi AGR. Saya menggunakan 2 karet di bilah yang sama. Saya menggunakan pisau limba-limba 5 lapis dan pisau komposit dengan lapisan karbon-aramid. Bisa dibilang Dynaryz ACC cukup goyang. Kecepatannya sangat nyata bahkan dengan hanya menggunakan pisau 5 lapis. Sebagai perbandingan, ACC memiliki tingkat kecepatan yang kurang lebih sama dengan Rhyzer 48 tetapi terasa lebih lembut pada benturan. Perbandingan karet lainnya untuk kecepatan adalah, ACC > Tibhar FXS, ACC >Donic BF M2, ACC=Donic Bluestorm Z2.


ACC Dynaryz memiliki busur sedang hingga rendah. Saya memutarnya dengan jarak dekat dan menengah dari meja dan mengamati karetnya sangat berduri. Lapisan atas yang grippy namun matte menghasilkan jumlah putaran yang sangat tinggi. Jika Anda menyukai Tenergy 64 tetapi tidak menyukai harganya, versi ACC adalah alternatif yang baik karena ini adalah karet lintasan yang panjang dengan putaran yang sangat besar. Anda bisa merasakan bola menendang ke pedang Anda jika Anda memblokirnya. Putaran ACC hampir di tingkat Tenergy 64. Ini sangat spinny dan spinnier daripada Bluestorm Z2 atau bahkan versi MXP 47,5 derajat.


Hal ini mengesankan karena ACC meskipun karet yang sangat cepat memiliki jumlah kontrol yang baik. Meskipun secepat Rhyzer 48, tingkat kontrolnya jauh lebih baik dan lebih memaafkan. Untuk berpikir, ketika Anda menggunakan Dynaryz ACC, sepertinya Anda menggunakan karet tipe kontrol karena akurat dan sangat mudah ditangani. Area lain yang sangat bagus untuk digunakan adalah kemampuan smash yang sangat bagus. Selain itu, cukup mengejutkan untuk tidak terlalu melenting pada pukulan pendek dan halus seperti pukulan jatuh dan dorongan pendek.


Secara keseluruhan, ini adalah karet yang bagus di hampir semua aspek dan dengan jumlah kecepatan, kontrol, dan putaran yang sangat seimbang.




Joola Dynaryz AGR
Berat: 71 gram belum dipotong
Kecepatan: OFF++
Putar: Ekstrim



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The Dynaryz AGR is the aggressive type of rubber in the Dynaryz series. This was built purely for offensive purposes and is a monster in both in and out of the table. Both the AGR and ACC versions of the Dynaryz have this specification on each of their topsheets which has a 0.5mm spacing in between pimples, 1.7mm width of each pimple and 0.9mm height of each pip. Both have the same pip and topsheet structure but differs in sponge hardness and some other things that I will mention below. The topsheet is matted red and black with purple sponge. I think this is still a thin topsheet thick sponge type of ESN rubber.


Versi AGR adalah yang lebih cepat di antara 2 karet. Perbedaan kecepatan hanya besar. Saat menggunakan AGR pada blade limba-limba 5 lapis, Anda sudah dapat merasakan kekuatan drive Anda pada benturan dan bahkan lebih jelas saat menggunakan blade komposit. Saya hanya menggunakan pisau koto-carbon-aramid dan saya sudah merasakan peningkatan kecepatan beberapa kali. Karet ini bukan lelucon. Kecepatannya lebih cepat dari Joola Rhyzer 50. Bedanya, Joola Rhyzer 50 memiliki lebih banyak "roda gigi" sedangkan Dynaryz AGR goyang di semua aspek bahkan dengan tembakan pendek jadi harus sedikit menyesuaikan. Dalam hal goyangan, AGR lebih cepat daripada Tenergy 64 atau Tenergy 05. Perbedaan antara Rhyzer 50 dan Dynaryz AGR adalah bahwa Rhyzer membutuhkan lebih banyak kompresi spons untuk menghasilkan bidikan yang cepat dan kuat, sedangkan Dynaryz AGR benar-benar melenting.


Banyak yang akan bertanya bagaimana spin dari Dynaryz AGR. Saya pikir ini adalah karet pertama mereka yang saya yakin dapat mengatakan bahwa ini memiliki putaran di tingkat Tenergy 05 tetapi memiliki lebih banyak kekuatan. Itu memang memiliki busur yang sedikit lebih rendah dari T05. Busurnya berada di antara Tenergi 05 dan Tenergi 64 jadi saya akan meletakkannya di sedang hingga sedang-tinggi jika busur Tenergi 05 adalah busur sedang-tinggi ke tinggi.
Dynaryz AGR memiliki lembaran atas yang sangat kuat sehingga Anda dapat mengangkat bola backspin dengan mudah. Saya sangat mengamati ini ketika menerima bola underspin/backspin di backhand. Ini memiliki jumlah gigitan yang baik dengan bola baik dengan jentikan atau loop pembuka di backhand dan forehand. Sejauh ini, ini adalah karet Joola paling tidak lengket di gudang senjata mereka. Versi Golden Tango PS dan vanilla keduanya berputar tetapi tidak ada artinya jika dibandingkan dengan kekuatannya. PADA bidikan yang lebih kuat, Dynaryz AGR memiliki lebih banyak jus dan lebih banyak kekuatan untuk ditawarkan.


Saya sangat mengagumi karet ini karena ini masih memiliki kontrol yang baik meskipun kecepatannya dibandingkan dengan karet keras dan cepat lainnya di kelasnya. Saya rasa ini akan menjadi hit di antara karet baru yang akan keluar tahun 2020 ini. Ini benar-benar karet yang luar biasa!
Joola Dynaryz ACC, if used on the backhand, is it good or not?

Konrad Bak
05-11-2022, 12:57 AM
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05-11-2022, 01:55 AM
Yes, dynaryzs are perfect
Yes, I've used it in the backhand on the Sanwei Paramid blade, and it works really well, especially the control and spin are good.

ZeroTT
05-11-2022, 02:30 PM
In my search for a suitable T05 replacement this one came out as the best rubber I played with.

I bought the purple one as a gimmick for the color and didn't expect it to be this good.

I played my best season ever with it, the spin and speed levels are higher for me then T05 and on top of that it plays way more linear then T05.
My biggest gripe with T05 was the bounciness and short play and AGR is way more linear and consistent in this department.

So all in all this rubber wil not disappoint you.

But there is one caveat that you should know:

After 2 months the spin and speed degraded significantly for me.(I play 4 times a week)
It's probably the factory booster wearing of , but it's a thing you should know about this rubber.

Most ESN rubbers last only 2 to 3 months for me and this one is no exception.

05-12-2022, 07:15 AM
In my search for a suitable T05 replacement this one came out as the best rubber I played with.

I bought the purple one as a gimmick for the color and didn't expect it to be this good.

I played my best season ever with it, the spin and speed levels are higher for me then T05 and on top of that it plays way more linear then T05.
My biggest gripe with T05 was the bounciness and short play and AGR is way more linear and consistent in this department.

So all in all this rubber wil not disappoint you.

But there is one caveat that you should know:

After 2 months the spin and speed degraded significantly for me.(I play 4 times a week)
It's probably the factory booster wearing of , but it's a thing you should know about this rubber.

Most ESN rubbers last only 2 to 3 months for me and this one is no exception.
I use ACC
for AGR I haven't tried it.

Konrad Bak
05-12-2022, 06:06 PM
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05-13-2022, 04:17 AM
do you think first, open and wait until booster little disappear and reboost after 2 months?
I found the ESN fabric booster makes rubbers stiffer and it is better to gives them more air time.
I did that with Rhyzer 48 (which is very very boosted even over 4mm) and plays 3months with good results
what booster do you use?

Konrad Bak
05-13-2022, 11:55 AM
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Kolev
05-13-2022, 02:09 PM
Rhyzer Pro 50 was a really nice surprise for my type of game. I didn't detect smell of a booster....and truly enjoyed it for two months before it lost character. Very poor durability. I wish that Joola improved that aspect with the Dynaryz

Konrad Bak
05-14-2022, 02:19 AM
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05-14-2022, 03:31 AM
Konrad Bak;368641falco lama tapi lain kali saya akan membeli Falco premium, saya punya penguat obligasi premium Haifu dan itu menghancurkan karet ESN saya setelah 2 minggu :D
Ok, thank you.

Konrad Bak
05-14-2022, 01:15 PM
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proximang
05-18-2022, 07:04 AM
Hello YOGI,

I have a Super Zhang jike CS , do you think it work well with DYN AGR, i'm current using Yasaka Z, the feeling is not so good ? Thanks

proximang
05-18-2022, 07:21 AM
Hello YOGI,

I have a Super Zhang jike CS , do you think it work well with DYN AGR, i'm current using Yasaka Z, the feeling is not so good ? Thanks

05-20-2022, 03:44 AM
I'm still having trouble using Dynaryz ACC in BH. Previously I used a slightly sticky rubber. ACC is not sticky. maybe in this forum someone can give me experience on how to top spin in Backhand !

Konrad Bak
05-20-2022, 01:14 PM
I'm still having trouble using Dynaryz ACC in BH. Previously I used a slightly sticky rubber. ACC is not sticky. maybe in this forum someone can give me experience on how to top spin in Backhand !
I just reply you here in both languages. This type of rubbers are very hard to use on backhand.
Hard to play when the ball is going very slow- overshooting and nets, no dwell time
Hard to play 2 metres away, less spring effect, to put arc on the ball
w skrócie, albo wrócisz do jakiś all+ bardzo miękkich desek ( I write here something about changing blades to soft all+)
ja tak zrobiłem z dignicsem 05, że nie wyrabiałem bo ta guma nie dawała mi nic, a kosztuje 380 zl z deską np. Apolonia to była porażka, 1500 zl za przegrywanie z słabiakami ( I said here that Dignics 05 was too much for me and I was in pain using too expensive rubber and blade)

myśle, że projekt takich okładzin jest taki, o tym się nie mówi, bo to jest zmowa producentów z Niemiec, one są stworzone po to by wierzch łapał piłkę, a deska była szybka z niskim throwem, dlatego wtedy gra jest łatwiejsza bo wierzch i twardość podkładu przerzuca piłkę za siatkę bardzo płasko i ona spada w stół nawet przy bardzo agresywnej grze. Dlatego jak używasz tej gumy na jakiś deskach innych producentów, chińskich czy japońskich, to się robi niekompatybilne.
Japończycy dalej trzymają swój bilans okładzin jako prosto odbijająca się deska+ prosto odbijająca się guma niedokońca szybka, wszystko w jednej wysokiej płaszczyźnie ale za to dużo bardziej wolna to daje duże możłiwości pracy na piłce, zobacz popularne okładziny w Azji to G1/05/Vega Pro,D05/80, a deski kreują ARC, jak Inner ZLC/ALC/ Harimoto ALC
A chińczycy za to uwielbiają jak okłądziny mają low throw, bo wierzch pozwala przeciągnąć każdą dolną rotacje więc nie przejmują się topspinami przeciwnika bo wszystko wpadnie na stronę przeciwnika, zarazem deski to wiadomo lepiej jakby miały wyższą parabole jak np w968 ale były wolne, bo wtedy te wolne piłki mozna grac bardziej pasywnie. No i wiadomo, jak nie idzie CI grac taką gumą na bh to wróc do klejących chinek na backhand. Super na bh gra Dynaryz ZGR, jak będziesz chciał to jakąś mogę sprzedać
Google translator
I think that the design of rubbers is like this, oeople don't talk about it, because it is a collusion of manufacturers from Germany, they are designed that the topsheet catches the ball, and the blade is fast with a low throw, so then the game is easier because the topsheet and hardness causes easier put the ball over the net very flat and it falls to the table even in a very aggressive game.
So when you use this rubber on some blades from other manufacturers, Chinese or Japanese, it becomes incompatible. The Japanese still keep their balance of the cladding as a straight bouncing blade + straight bouncing rubber not super fast, all in one high throw, but much slower, it gives a lot of possibilities to work on the ball, see the popular rubbers in Asia is G1 / 05 / Vega Pro, D05 / 80, and the blades which create ARC, like Inner ZLC / ALC / Harimoto ALC
And the Chinese love it when they have a low throw rubbers, because the topsheet allows you to drag each lower spin, so they do not care about the opponent's topspins because everything will fall on the opponent's side, at the same time the blades are better if they had a higher parabola, such as w968 but they were slower with speed, because then these slow balls can be played more passively. Well, you know, if you can't play with such a rubber band on bh, then go back to sticky chines on the backhand. Dynaryz ZGR is a great for bh, if you want, I can sell one