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Dan
02-22-2011, 01:34 PM
One of the many reasons why table tennis is the fastest sport in the world and you need the best footwork to be the best!

Ive had a lot of questions how to do multi ball and whats the best way to do it. Well here is Xu Xin the young rising star from China in action using the drill known as Mini balls or Multi balls.

http://www.ettu.org/public/Image/Xu_Xin.jpg
Photo by: Qatar Open's winner XU Xin (Photo Roscher)

Comment below, what do you think of multi ball? Do you implement it into your training?
Notice the way, Xu Xin is on his toes, his body transfer is always shifting him to the nest ball and hes very relaxed at the same time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlKb08yv6aQ&NR=1

P.S How fast is Xu Xin here! by the looks of things he could go faster :P

david93fcb
02-22-2011, 01:58 PM
That's just scary :o

joebulatao
02-22-2011, 03:32 PM
Multi ball training like this one is what makes table tennis players improve their game tremendously in only a short period of time. They do not stop wasting precious practice time picking up the ball. If you practice hitting back and forth with a friend, the chance of a miss is doubled and you spend more time picking up the ball. Please check out this video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHKuK7lVsWc&feature=player_embedded

Dan
02-22-2011, 03:36 PM
Multi ball training like this one is what makes table tennis players improve their game tremendously in only a short period of time. They do not stop wasting precious practice time picking up the ball. If you practice hitting back and forth with a friend, the chance of a miss is doubled and you spend more time picking up the ball. Please check out this video

Very nice ball pick up! I hate bending down all the time picking up balls! How much do you charge for these?

Dan

TTOski
02-22-2011, 04:02 PM
Xu is extremely fast at the multiball! BTW, he is using the same sponge as me!

scylla24
02-22-2011, 07:33 PM
Yeah that is insanely fast.... Doing that for like an hour probably not only makes you better at swinging, but builds up your endurance really well.

What Xu Xin is doing in that video is probably too hard for most people, even at slower speeds, and probably won't help beginner players as much. I probably would recommend for players who are intermediate or below to do a different kind of multiball training, where the person hitting you the ball starts with some kind of short ball, usually with back spin, so you can practice pushing it back, or a short ball without spin, so you can practice flipping, or a longer ball with backspin so you can loop it, and then after that first ball the person hitting you the ball should transition to hitting you a top spin ball. I think this type of practice probably gives the best returns on your time for intermediate players and below, because it runs you through the different stages of a point.

kaikaz
02-23-2011, 03:43 PM
Yeah that is insanely fast.... Doing that for like an hour probably not only makes you better at swinging, but builds up your endurance really well.

I would be dead if I would do that even 15 min lol, and I can honestly say that my physical condition is not bad at all but doing this for an hour and Im in hospital ^^

damo
02-23-2011, 06:49 PM
thanks great video

tpgh
02-23-2011, 10:40 PM
even with 2 point multiball. i can only go for about 80 balls...or like 3 minutes tops. after that the lungs burn and i collapse =p

scylla24
02-24-2011, 03:47 AM
Yeah that much concentration, and that fast movement and it being continuous can definitely drain your stamina really quickly. I try to go to the gym everyday and run at least a mile and a half, so I am in pretty decent shape so I might be able to do it at least for 15 mins. It helps that I just love table tennis so much, that its like the only thing I could do for like 6 hours straight without really getting bored with it.

I don't know how the Chinese players do it for so long, every day, after like 3-4 hours of even medium training, your whole body aches, and your joints start feeling stiff.... For players like Ma Lin, who style requires so much effort and energy, its amazing he has stayed in tip top shape for so long.

geotjakra
02-24-2011, 06:02 AM
I can do that......20 years ago ...............lol

Bollforte94
02-24-2011, 02:43 PM
No one is able to do this 1 hour and no one in this forum is able to do that at this speed !

kaikaz
03-01-2011, 02:18 AM
No one is able to do this 1 hour and no one in this forum is able to do that at this speed !

I can do it at this speed but none of the balls will hit the table and my technique will be horrible as well :p

Charlie
03-02-2011, 08:40 AM
i think i would be able to go for 10 mins max at this speed but i would never be in position for every shot cos im just to slow

poiuy73
03-11-2011, 03:03 AM
wow he is so good

RPBguy
03-11-2011, 05:13 PM
i can't even hold up to 5 min. time to get practice more on my movement.

PandaMike
03-11-2011, 05:18 PM
Thats intense! I think I can do 1/10th of that speed lol

jyechen
03-11-2011, 09:10 PM
... two comments: 1. How important is multi-ball? Well... it's probably the MOST important ... or at least MOST effective way to train table tennis.. that's why all coaching implements it.

2. That's not... that fast. o.O I see 12 year olds do that ... in Dallas, TX. I've tried before as well, my problem is definitely stamina, can't keep it up for long enough. But... that's why its a drill that needs repeating. :D

DustinZ
03-12-2011, 04:20 AM
I just watched that video like 10 times trying to figure out how he gets his feet to move so quickly...I cant even tell which foot he's using to push himself off he's just gliding.. Insane.

TT Player
03-12-2011, 02:50 PM
Multiball is a must. If Xu Xin needs to do multiball so do everyone of us! It's a standard part of table tennis training.

Ndragon
03-13-2011, 02:40 PM
Xu Xin is a machine

zookato
03-13-2011, 06:36 PM
Thx for share, I hate bending down all the time picking up balls!

markog99
04-11-2011, 01:10 PM
No one is able to do this 1 hour and no one in this forum is able to do that at this speed !

i can do it at that speed.its all about the moving technique because you know where the next ball will be.but i can do it at this speed for like 2 and a half minutes lol

jyechen
04-11-2011, 07:07 PM
It kind of makes me sad how important multi-balling is to being good at the sport. It's not like in tennis where there's more room for pure genius and talent, and will power I guess. Not to say there's not genius, talent and etc. in TT, just hard core practice and muscle memory seems to make a larger statement in TT than in other sports.

Blueberries
04-27-2011, 08:42 AM
I cant even tell which foot he's using to push himself off he's just gliding...

YosuaYosan
04-27-2011, 08:17 PM
True, multiball is a standard table tennis training.
But this standard training exhausts the most.

azlan
04-28-2011, 08:27 AM
SICK ;) cant find a feeder that fast for me to train like that..

UpSideDownCarl
04-28-2011, 01:26 PM
Multiball is important. But not for the reasons you might think. It is for muscle memory and for the fact that you are actually doing things at a faster pace than would happen in a game. The downside of multiball is that, since it is a drill where there is a pattern, you know where the next ball is going, so your reactions are based on a format. That never happens in a real game. The ball can go anywhere.

No matter what you do, every point starts with the serve, so you are either serving or receiving the serve. And if you watch enough game play, most points are over after the 3rd ball. So serve and receive drills are very important. Once you have the basic strokes and your footwork is starting to be adequate (everyone needs to work on footwork and make their footwork better, it is very important), if you spend 60-75% of your practice time on serve and attack drills your level will improve, your footwork will improve, all the skills you need for table tennis will improve. You need to do all the other drills too: practicing all the strokes, practicing footwork drills with multiball, there are many of them that are worth practicing, this one in the video and falkenberg are probably the most important for someone who has basic footwork skills. The reason the one in the video is so valuable is you develop the ability to field everything with the forehand and to move deep to the backhand quickly with the forehand.

But multiball drills are simply for developing muscle memory and because they make you go faster than you would need in a game situation. Shadow strokes and shadow footwork drills are valuable too for the same reason. The the reason not to overemphasize these kinds of drills is that they are patterns and you know where the next ball is going, so the anticipation is very different than if you needed to watch your opponent's racket and contact and react to where they hit the ball. These kinds of drills also do not teach you how to think, problem solve and play intelligently. There are players who do all these drills really well and have great strokes but do not work on serve and receive skills (game skills) and then they play some guy who looks like he sucks, cannot do those drills, does not have good strokes or good footwork, and they get killed because he serves and attacks really well. :) I have seen 2000 level players (USATT rating), very good players, loose to little old men who could not move and looked like they had terrible strokes, but man they were good at serving and putting the ball away on you. On the pro level you can look at He Zhi Wen. As far as footwork is concerned, at 50 (or how ever old he is now) that guy is sort of like a statue, stuck in one place, at least in comparison to most of the pros, but he is nothing short of amazing. :)

kaikaz
04-28-2011, 06:16 PM
Multiball is important. But not for the reasons you might think. It is for muscle memory and for the fact that you are actually doing things at a faster pace than would happen in a game. The downside of multiball is that, since it is a drill where there is a pattern, you know where the next ball is going, so your reactions are based on a format. That never happens in a real game. The ball can go anywhere.

No matter what you do, every point starts with the serve, so you are either serving or receiving the serve. And if you watch enough game play, most points are over after the 3rd ball. So serve and receive drills are very important. Once you have the basic strokes and your footwork is starting to be adequate (everyone needs to work on footwork and make their footwork better, it is very important), if you spend 60-75% of your practice time on serve and attack drills your level will improve, your footwork will improve, all the skills you need for table tennis will improve. You need to do all the other drills too: practicing all the strokes, practicing footwork drills with multiball, there are many of them that are worth practicing, this one in the video and falkenberg are probably the most important for someone who has basic footwork skills. The reason the one in the video is so valuable is you develop the ability to field everything with the forehand and to move deep to the backhand quickly with the forehand.

But multiball drills are simply for developing muscle memory and because they make you go faster than you would need in a game situation. Shadow strokes and shadow footwork drills are valuable too for the same reason. The the reason not to overemphasize these kinds of drills is that they are patterns and you know where the next ball is going, so the anticipation is very different than if you needed to watch your opponent's racket and contact and react to where they hit the ball. These kinds of drills also do not teach you how to think, problem solve and play intelligently. There are players who do all these drills really well and have great strokes but do not work on serve and receive skills (game skills) and then they play some guy who looks like he sucks, cannot do those drills, does not have good strokes or good footwork, and they get killed because he serves and attacks really well. :) I have seen 2000 level players (USATT rating), very good players, loose to little old men who could not move and looked like they had terrible strokes, but man they were good at serving and putting the ball away on you. On the pro level you can look at He Zhi Wen. As far as footwork is concerned, at 50 (or how ever old he is now) that guy is sort of like a statue, stuck in one place, at least in comparison to most of the pros, but he is nothing short of amazing. :)

I agree with you on some parts. I do multi ball aswell and the first ball is short but all the others are placed everywhere on the table, so I dont really know where the ball is coming so I have to react which is better than knowing where the ball is coming. So the downside you said can easily be helped. But you are right about xu xin practicing speed and muscle memory.

And you are right about He Zhi Wen, he is like a statue, but you have to look at other people with the same style they dont really move that much. Look at the woman li jiao or the headcoach of the chinese team. They move of course but not as much as other players it seems.

scylla24
04-28-2011, 09:18 PM
Part of it is for muscle memory, but ideally it shouldn't be completely set as to where the ball goes, a lot of the multiball drills they do for the national team and probably any team is to have random balls, to test your footwork, reaction speed. While in a match the ball can theoretically go anyway, usually thats not the case. Based off the spin that you gave the ball, what position your opponent is in, you can roughly usually guess what area the ball will go to. Of course sometimes the opponent will do something thats harder to do, and thats unexpected. The multi ball because the person feeding you the ball can go to random sides very quickly and as much as he wants can actually be way more random than in an actual point during a game. So if you can react quick enough and still return the ball with decent quality during the drill, you will fare much better in the actual game, than if you didn't do such drills during training

UpSideDownCarl
04-29-2011, 03:11 PM
The first time I saw him play I thought that Xu Xin was one of the fastest players I have ever seen. But that is freakin' fast. I am sorry. I have been filmed doing things I thought were fast and then I saw them on video and realized they were not as fast as I thought. I would be very surprised if anyone on this forum can get filmed footage of them doing that drill even close to as fast as that. Even without hitting the balls I doubt anyone here can do it that fast. I would actually be surprised if anyone else on the Chinese national team can go that fast. They can all do this drill. But that is fast.

UpSideDownCarl
04-29-2011, 03:20 PM
scylla24 and kaikaz, you are making some good points. And you can do multiball and add the element of randomness. And in a game you can have a good idea where the ball is going to go and even set yourself up. Even in the drill that Xu Xin is doing in this video, the ball does not go to the exact same spot so he is having to adjust to the ball. And it is worth working on all the skills of playing.

And of course this statement is very true and well said: "The multi ball because the person feeding you the ball can go to random sides very quickly and as much as he wants can actually be way more random than in an actual point during a game. So if you can react quick enough and still return the ball with decent quality during the drill, you will fare much better in the actual game, than if you didn't do such drills during training."

Daniel94
04-29-2011, 05:19 PM
Multiball is very important to improve your skills and footwork , it's essential to train better, but to do this you need a coach.

Bollforte94
04-29-2011, 08:58 PM
Multiball is very important to improve your skills and footwork , it's essential to train better, but to do this you need a coach.

you need a good coach. is there a how to or a tutorial for multiball ?

ankit
09-24-2011, 10:57 AM
It is a balls will hit the table and my technique will be horrible as well

judah000
04-13-2012, 11:41 AM
Wow!! That was fast, but XX was doing it looks so easy. But tried... SO HARD!!!!

Eric1999
07-02-2014, 07:33 PM
Xu Xin's daily practise is showed in the matches, he moves the ball very quickly ;)