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Here is the way I would think of this, tactical advice is good for before and during a tournament. But your not going to be helped by advice about technique before a tournament. Changing or developing technique is a long term process.

It sounds like your friend knew what to do and how to distract your attention so that the habits you've already trained into your body could take over. But, rest assured, if you had played and/or trained with people between now and the tournament, or, even if you had just went to sleep and picked up your racket to play tomorrow, your body would have remembered how to grab the racket even if you were in a tizzy about how to hold it today.

For the rest of the week, focus on game strategy, set plays, and the mental game, not on technique.

Next week we can play Dr Frankenstein on any aspect of your technique that you want or can imagine.

But here is something to consider: there are grips that are better for BH. They are called BH grips. They help you spin the ball better on BH but they make FH a little harder. Harder because the angle of the racket will be flatter so it will be harder to spin and you will have to rotate your forearm (pronation: that is the anatomical term) more.

There are grips that are better for FH. They are called FH grips. They help you spin the ball better on FH but they make BH a little harder. Harder because the angle of the racket will be flatter and more hooked so it will be harder to spin and you will have to rotate your forearm (supination: this one is the anatomical term for the opposite movement) more and open your wrist more.

But there is no grip that automatically helps you spin more on both sides or makes you hit flatter on both sides, or makes you smash better but not spin as well.

It sounds nice. And what he did was really helpful psychologically for you as you are getting ready for a tournament. But, probably not exactly accurate.

One last thing about grip. If you look at ZJK's grip, he has a grip that is as far to the BH side of things as you can get. Sometimes you see almost the same grip from total recreational players who only hit flat with their BH. And when they open to try and hit with their FH they can't do it because the racket is turned at a funny angle. Well, maybe he changes the grip for the FH sometimes. But I've looked at enough slow-mo photos to know that, at least all of the ones I've examined he is using pretty much the same weird grip for his FH.

Ma Long on the other hand, has a FH oriented grip and adjusts his grip some for he BH. And Timo Boll has a giant switch from FH to BH and back so he uses a FH grip for FH and a BH grip for BH. There is one video where Waldner showed how he changed his grip for FH and for BH. I saw it years ago. So don't ask me to find it. I can't remember where I found it. But it might be one of those tutorial videos he made where everything is in Chinese.

So the point of all this is, there are many ways of adjusting your grip. You are not stuck with one thing.

But if you are taking advice about changing your grip from someone, ideally they should be there in person to show specifically and exactly how they want you to try and hold. And then you should practice it, without an opponent. I will see if I can get video footage at some point of my bounce the ball on the table method that I used for for learning several new grips.

One thing though, the grip shouldn't be too rigid. I agree with Brett that you should be able to do that wiggle thing with your arm to show your grip isn't being held too tight.

But, no focusing on technique or technique changes till after D day; or is it T day.


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Update: Tournament day is today, I'll be arriving at the club around 7:30 a.m. Although my first match is at 9:30.

The time now is 1:51 a.m. too excited to sleep. Double dose of melatonin and still nothing. What a great sport this is. And surely it shows a love of the game to be this excited to play new people.

Now back to trying to sleep, if I can get a good 5 hours I'd be ecstatic.
 
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Update: Tournament day is today, I'll be arriving at the club around 7:30 a.m. Although my first match is at 9:30.

The time now is 1:51 a.m. too excited to sleep. Double dose of melatonin and still nothing. What a great sport this is. And surely it shows a love of the game to be this excited to play new people.

Now back to trying to sleep, if I can get a good 5 hours I'd be ecstatic.

Watch some matches with Chinese commentary. That always works for me
 
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Nothing helps for me , I have tried a lot of different things but normally I would end up getting a max of 4 hours of shut eye. Don't worry, you have too much adrenalin in the system . Make sure you take a lot of banana and hydrating drinks with you tomorrow.
Make sure you watch some games of your favorite player and play a little bit of the TTEdge App. Seems to help with my game the next day.

GOOD LUCK and keep us posted !

Update: Tournament day is today, I'll be arriving at the club around 7:30 a.m. Although my first match is at 9:30.

The time now is 1:51 a.m. too excited to sleep. Double dose of melatonin and still nothing. What a great sport this is. And surely it shows a love of the game to be this excited to play new people.

Now back to trying to sleep, if I can get a good 5 hours I'd be ecstatic.
 
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My surefire way of falling asleep when I am wired is to speed read Heidegger and Habermas. If you read something like that fast enough so that you can't possibly understand it, it confuses your brain and you eventually nod off.
 
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My coach said to wake up 4 hours before the tournament, and eat carbohydrates.

About the grip thing, I had a lot of difficult in BH side at beginning until one coach show me a different grip until then I change my grip to fh/bh.
Today it's just difficult not a lot difficult haha
My coach said the St handle works better for changing grip but I think they are small and the racket will slip for my hand

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Toast with honey and cinnamon works well while you're at home. At the tournament you have options: granola bars, pb&j sammiches, things like that are good. If you have digestive issues when you're physically active I'd suggest sticking to liquid unless you're gonna have a longer break. Gatorade and pedialyte are awesome for this
 
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I never worry. Sometimes I get 8 hrs, sometimes I get 8 minutes.

Try reading Toenies Gesellschaft und Gemeinschaft... from a hundred yrs ago... he saw what was happening way ahead of time and his stuff is DEEP.

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And I have seen Der_Echte play some of his best TT after 2 hours sleep and 10 hours of driving. hahaha.

You remember that at Robert Chen's. You were delirious but unstoppable.

Extra Caffein will help.
 
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Update: Tournament day is today, I'll be arriving at the club around 7:30 a.m. Although my first match is at 9:30.

The time now is 1:51 a.m. too excited to sleep. Double dose of melatonin and still nothing. What a great sport this is. And surely it shows a love of the game to be this excited to play new people.

Now back to trying to sleep, if I can get a good 5 hours I'd be ecstatic.

This nervousness should go away as you play more tournaments - and is probably the main reason I always tell people to start competing earlier. Even club league will help with that - as long as something is on the line.

Would be curious to know your thoughts on why you are (well, 'were' at this point) so excited? Do you feel extra pressure to perform - in order to meet either your own expectations or of your coach?
 
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This nervousness should go away as you play more tournaments - and is probably the main reason I always tell people to start competing earlier. Even club league will help with that - as long as something is on the line.

Would be curious to know your thoughts on why you are (well, 'were' at this point) so excited? Do you feel extra pressure to perform - in order to meet either your own expectations or of your coach?

These are real good points.

I'll give a story from when I was a professor a ramp skater skating competitions before I went to the Circus:

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That photo is from a one of the contests I skated.

So the first 3 pro contests I skated, I had put a lot of mental pressure on myself. I loved skating vert. It's all I thought about. I was decent. I wasn't great but I was decent. And I was older than most of the people I skated with. I started vert competitions at 29. Most of the best skaters were 22 or younger.

This company was giving me products and sent me to this tournament. I really wanted to do well and "represent"! From a real perspective I didn't do bad. I placed 15th out of 60 odd pro entrants. But I did not skate well. I was nervous as hell and, from my perspective I skated like crap.

The first three comps were like that. Then in the third comp, I was there and I was starting to get wound up and anxious again. After talking to the guy from the company, who was really just glad I was sporting his gear, I went off by myself and though about things.

For me skating was a lark. I had a job that allowed me to skate as much as I did. The coolest skate company ever (at least in my mind) was flowing me products, and I was able to go places, meet people and do this thing I absolutely loved. And when I was sessioning a ramp, I was the same kind of clown most of you guys have figured out I am. I really had fun when I skated.

So I thought, "just go out and do that! Forget about the rest of the stuff and how you do and have fun."

Now, I went up to the top of the ramp with the skaters of my heat and I just start acting like it's another skatepark session. They start playing this song I really like and I am on the top of the ramp imitating those rollerblade disco dancers. In the middle of the song, as I'm clowning around, they start counting me in. It only dawned on me when the got to 2 on the 3 count. And I skated over to the edge and jumped into the ramp, and skated a great run. After that, I did much better in all the competitions I skated in.

Now, I know that, for me, I perform better with that kind of headspace. There are guys who perform better when they are sort of unemotional and stone faced. Then there are others who perform better when they are angry and fired up.

Ultimately, you have to sort out what mindset helps you perform at your best. Do you want to feel your heart pounding and the blood rushing to your head. Or do you want to be calm. Or, will you play better if you are just clowning around.

Adrenaline can help. But too much can be a problem for most people. The person I see who really plays better stressed and angry, heat pounding is Tahl Leibovitz:


He might be handicapped. But that little guy is an artist and a monster.

Dan will love how many swap-hand rallies he has. He is at least 2100 with his left hand.
 
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Would be curious to know your thoughts on why you are (well, 'were' at this point) so excited? Do you feel extra pressure to perform - in order to meet either your own expectations or of your coach?

I was excited because I got to play new players. This is what I love most about table tennis, is playing a player I've never played before, I just like to have fun. I enjoy the feeling of diagnosing my opponents game and just hitting the ball too much. I was like a kid on christmas filled with excitement.

Coach actually had to go back to china for a couple weeks because her mom passed so she wasn't able to make it.
 
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Had a blast today, not really any difficult matches but I did lose in the semi's to my main training partner, and another loss was to a girl that I was helping out to develop her game better. Probably shouldn't have been helping her out in a sanctioned tournament but I was enjoying seeing instant progress from my help that made her game much better.

I won against 7 players between 1650-1750, training partner did just as good as me except also got a win on me. Girl was 1665. I wish I did the 2100 instead of 1700.

I'm pretty sure my rating will be over 1700 itself.

Surprisingly, the lack of sleep didn't effect me as much as I thought, but my body was quite exhausted so I really never attacked hard or had quick reactions. I more so just played a different style against every opponent depending on my opponents style.
 
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I was excited because I got to play new players. This is what I love most about table tennis, is playing a player I've never played before, I just like to have fun. I enjoy the feeling of diagnosing my opponents game and just hitting the ball too much. I was like a kid on christmas filled with excitement.

Coach actually had to go back to china for a couple weeks because her mom passed so she wasn't able to make it.

Well, I guess we are all different (duh!) after all: I understand what you are saying here, but it would not keep me up till 2 am the night before the tournament. In fact I do have one tomorrow, and at most I'm mildly curious how much of recent stroke experimentation will actually make it into the match play.

How did you do, by the way? ;) Edit: never mind, saw your latest post.
 
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Had a blast today, not really any difficult matches but I did lose in the semi's to my main training partner, and another loss was to a girl that I was helping out to develop her game better. Probably shouldn't have been helping her out in a sanctioned tournament but I was enjoying seeing instant progress from my help that made her game much better.

I won against 7 players between 1650-1750, training partner did just as good as me except also got a win on me. Girl was 1665. I wish I did the 2100 instead of 1700.

I'm pretty sure my rating will be over 1700 itself.

Surprisingly, the lack of sleep didn't effect me as much as I thought, but my body was quite exhausted so I really never attacked hard or had quick reactions. I more so just played a different style against every opponent depending on my opponents style.

Sounds like you did well, but (and I think NextLevel will back me up on this) -you should always play 'your' event, U1700 in your case. After all you did not win it. Yet. :)
 
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Sounds like you did well, but (and I think NextLevel will back me up on this) -you should always play 'your' event, U1700 in your case. After all you did not win it. Yet. :)

but according to how the rating system works and my two losses compared to wins I won't be able to enter the U1700 again. surely this isn't "my" event if I won't be allowed in it again.
 
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but according to how the rating system works and my two losses compared to wins I won't be able to enter the U1700 again. surely this isn't "my" event if I won't be allowed in it again.

You always have 'your event' - the lowest one you qualify for, just to clarify the suggestion. Beyond that - ratings have volatility/uncertainty associated with them: you might be over 1700 today, but might not be after your next tournament. I'm just pointing out that you did not actually win U1700, so how does it follow that you should have played U2100 instead?

I'm mostly saying all of this because most folks (myself included) tend to overestimate our own level, which can lead to "Since I think I am ~1900 I don't need to play U1700, I should play U2100" approach. Not pointing fingers here - I had similar thoughts myself, and these days I actually prefer to play both, perhaps to the detriment of my overall performance.
 
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The East coast has SO many players in the 1800 range who are dangerous to 2000 level player it is difficult to make and keep 2000.

Playing tt he lowest event you qualify for and the next one level higher is good. In my case with the Apr 2016 MDTTC U2000 the next one was U2300... three levels higher so I did only one event.

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