Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[NextLevel]

Thanks for the post. I think since I am a fairly new user I thought you guys were responding negatively to him for no particular reason, seeing as his recent stuff is not all that bad. It seems I wasn't aware of his "dark past".
Still, I think he has changed for the better and we shouldn't be too quick to judge his new posts.

Yes, and the good thing is that if/when he gets emboldened to repeat his old posting patterns, you will be aware enough to see what is happening. All of this seems excessive now, and there are a couple of times when I find the piling on Archo to be gratuitous, but I avoided starting my fair share by ignoring him, and I also think that sometimes, he needs to be reminded of these things to stay in check. THat said, others disagree, so I am just socializing the knowledge before getting back to BAU. I am still mildly surprised that anyone could actually do a serve that leads to double-hitting and not realize why the double-hit occurred but that is that.

As with all things, there are personality issues and differences all mixed in but in the end, it is what it is.

 

[Der_Echte]

Pnchy made his own bed here and before, several other places. TTD didn't even tell him to lie in it, he lied down on it like Dracula taking a daytime nap in hiz coffin.

Archos makes his own bed too... and lies in it, but it isn't enough to make hate. Archos is real young, likes tt, and Talks out of turn on tt forum a little lot. That is the largest fault we know of.

Where does that rank in the big scheme of what is wrong with his age group? Prolly not in the top ten sin list.



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[NextLevel]

Pnchy made his own bed here and before, several other places. TTD didn't even tell him to lie in it, he lied down on it like Dracula taking a daytime nap in hiz coffin.

Archos makes his own bed too... and lies in it, but it isn't enough to make hate. Archos is real young, likes tt, and Talks out of turn on tt forum a little lot. That is the largest fault we know of.

Where does that rank in the big scheme of what is wrong with his age group? Prolly not in the top ten sin list.



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Yes, but it is rampant lying, DerEchte. Fostered by internet facelessness. I know we all committed similar internet sins but we can't encourage it in the young...

But my point is that Archo can be dangerous if not confronted. I was actually speaking about the good side of Pnut, the side that tried to analyze table tennis and come to intelligent conclusions, not the bad cantankerous side that felt that he was always the smartest TT player in the room.

I can't take credit for it but I see a lot of skeptical posts about EJ reviews and TT posts that ask for video in response to technical questions or TT posts that ask about the level of the reviewer and they all make me smile because this is what we need in online TT. Faceless expertise is just going to make people miserable because it is often parroting of CNT advice tailored to advanced players, and not concrete advice on how to hit the ball tailored to the person asking the question.

 

[ttmonster]

Holy crap! This is quite a lot more discussion than I expected.
@ttmonster

You left out the important parts about the PM you just made public and distorted for your own benefit. But okay, I can forget it.

I did not leave out "important" parts , I just don't consider it important enough to remember because I know very well what you do and why you do what you do ... here is what you said in the PM ...


"I don't want to start a ruckus on the chit chat thread over something stupid, but why do you seriously need to shitpost like you just did?


You know you're gonna get likes and replies from everyone and derail the discussion with your post, and you know you're just doing it so people respond to you. It makes me upset to see this kind of posting from the people who tell me to stop this kind of posting.


I hope you understand my view. If you think I'm wrong, you can reply to me here and explain."

and here was my reply

"I called it as I saw it"

since , you are publicly calling me out , let me say publicly what I feel about you ... you are dishonest and you are a liar and you have too much time on your hand to construct your lies conveniently to frame others and try to paint yourself as the innocent deer caught in headlights. Here since you see a couple of folks are trying to defend you, you are conveniently behaving like the one who has been wronged against.

In this particular case you were upto your tricks, trying to get into the discussion by first asking why it happens and then saying oh I have done it several times and I did not know it happens because of this but knowing this I am sure I am on the right track. When I called out your attention seeking behavior you decided to pile your lies on me.

 

[Shuki]

Thanks for the post. I think since I am a fairly new user I thought you guys were responding negatively to him for no particular reason, seeing as his recent stuff is not all that bad. It seems I wasn't aware of his "dark past".
Still, I think he has changed for the better and we shouldn't be too quick to judge his new posts.

The "dark past" is tough. It will always be there and people need to be aware that it was there in case someone were to fall back into that side of themselves.

He definitely has changed a lot, and props to him for that. I'm sure we're just overly cautious. I takes time with not falling into old habits to gain that trust back.

Reference: personal experience, to a more serious extent than arch's.


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[Archosaurus]

@ttmonster

What? I'm behaving like I'm the one who's been wronged against now that people are defending me?

Let me quote my last post:

"Holy crap! This is quite a lot more discussion than I expected.

@SchemeSC

I posted the popcorn picture because I've seen these "in defense of archo" posts before, and I think they're silly. I know how people are going to reply, and I know how the person who made the post is going to reply. It's just amusing, because they're defending me more than I am myself. I think they are a little naive too.

I think it's okay that NL has me ignored and doesn't want to "find the positive in what I post" or whatever. We all have 24 hours in our day and it's completely okay if he doesn't want to use any of that time on me. He could use it for something more important to him, and I would not get insulted.

Everything else has already been explained, and I mostly agree. I'm not gonna comment on anything."


I highlighted some parts where I am trying to show how I feel about the quite active defense I'm receiving, and how people deal with me.

Where exactly am I trying to frame myself as a victim or whatever?

 

[ttmonster]

Archo , I don't have the time and inclination to argue with you, I have put your "hidden" important information out there and put my take on you public. Good luck!

 

[Archosaurus]

This whole discussion has left quite a sour impression on this place. I wonder what unregistered members or first-time posters would think if they entered the thread to see this. I will take the blame so we can move on.





Now for something completely different.

There's a decent sale on Skyline 2 at TT11.

I would prefer to try out a soft, modern Euro rubber but for where I am right now, they're a bit too expensive to invest in currently. However I think it's about time I upgraded my sheets: the current ones are getting worn anyway.



I am thinking of either buying two sheets of Skyline 2 and replacing both sides, or buying one sheet of nice Euro rubber like Bluefire or something, which will just be a little bit more expensive than two sheets of Skyline 2, and only replacing my forehand.

Which would be better for my development? I fear that having wildly different rubber on opposite sides will not be good for my game at the moment. At the same time, I would get experience with good, different styled rubber.

EDIT: I nearly forgot, I'm thinking about 729 Focus 3 Snipe as well. Apparently it's a more Euro style rubber. The price is manageable. Would two sheets of that be fine?

 

[SchemeSC]

Well now that's pretty instructive, isn't it?

I could not have played a loop like the 3rd one until very recently. It's a very powerful feeling when you can spin the ball and slow it down whenever you need to.

 

[NextLevel]

Well now that's pretty instructive, isn't it?

I could not have played a loop like the 3rd one until very recently. It's a very powerful feeling when you can spin the ball and slow it down whenever you need to.

Yes. In my head, that is how I open 95% of the time unless the ball has backspin in my optimal range and I can feel it. You need to practice that kind of loop while moving, when the ball is falling off the side of the table, when you are out of position on the forehand side, and even against topspin(!) as a variation. Otherwise, you are stuck at 100% or pushing during matches and that will not get the job done when you play the jungle of opponents.

 

[thekleifheit13]

Just got home from my second lesson and I'm having a blast. Today we worked mostly on my forehand, with typical opening patterns and transitioning from 3rd ball loop to looping topspin. It was great to see the shorter motion applied to looping underspin and by the end of my lesson i was about 90-95% consistent looping underspin. I still need to shorten my swing more for looping a block, but that's gonna come with shadow strokes. Essentially my backhand was a pure brush loop and we worked on me digging a little more into the sponge for some power. We finished up with backhand looping underspin, which (see if you notice a pattern here) involved greatly shortening my stroke and involving more body and forearm. Afterward i hit with a guy that is about 1700-1800 USATT. We played a match and he won 1,7,13. I need to program these strokes I'm learning into muscle memory because in match situations I still freak out and rip on the ball. The few times I did calm down, I was able to play some nice shots. All in due time!

 

[Boogar]

Just got home from my second lesson and I'm having a blast. Today we worked mostly on my forehand, with typical opening patterns and transitioning from 3rd ball loop to looping topspin. It was great to see the shorter motion applied to looping underspin and by the end of my lesson i was about 90-95% consistent looping underspin. I still need to shorten my swing more for looping a block, but that's gonna come with shadow strokes. Essentially my backhand was a pure brush loop and we worked on me digging a little more into the sponge for some power. We finished up with backhand looping underspin, which (see if you notice a pattern here) involved greatly shortening my stroke and involving more body and forearm. Afterward i hit with a guy that is about 1700-1800 USATT. We played a match and he won 1,7,13. I need to program these strokes I'm learning into muscle memory because in match situations I still freak out and rip on the ball. The few times I did calm down, I was able to play some nice shots. All in due time!

Great to hear that you are improving and having a blast! Would love to see some video footage

I have exactly the other problem with my backhand loop. I hit too much into the ball and if i try to brush it I can not get a good timing. It works against slow backspin shots but against topspins i can only counter hit.

 

[SchemeSC]

Yes. In my head, that is how I open 95% of the time unless the ball has backspin in my optimal range and I can feel it. You need to practice that kind of loop while moving, when the ball is falling off the side of the table, when you are out of position on the forehand side, and even against topspin(!) as a variation. Otherwise, you are stuck at 100% or pushing during matches and that will not get the job done when you play the jungle of opponents.

You'll be happy to know that I attempted to do some looping off the side of the table today. Unfortunately, my camera died for most of it. After I watched the video, I realized I wasn't really looping the ball below the height of the table, though, so I was still ripping the ball. Probably didn't do too much good. I'll try again next time.

 

[NextLevel]

Great to hear that you are improving and having a blast! Would love to see some video footage

I have exactly the other problem with my backhand loop. I hit too much into the ball and if i try to brush it I can not get a good timing. It works against slow backspin shots but against topspins i can only counter hit.

Nothing wrong with this, backhand looping against topspin consistently is one of the most difficult shots in table tennis. Most people do a short counter/kick topspin, and it really isn't a brush stroke as topspin is not easy to brush unless you are something thick on the contact.

 

[NextLevel]

You'll be happy to know that I attempted to do some looping off the side of the table today. Unfortunately, my camera died for most of it. After I watched the video, I realized I wasn't really looping the ball below the height of the table, though, so I was still ripping the ball. Probably didn't do too much good. I'll try again next time.

Good stuff. The real issue is that you didn't reset after every feed, so you got closer to the ball and could take it earlier. Also, AS should mess around with your brain a little more. He should dink the ball softly with little spin, do a hook sidespin serve or a backhand serve that barely comes off the table, use heavy pushes etc. The point is to challenge your ability to both move to and loop the ball. All these clean topspin balls do not force you to learn anything. And the challenge for you is to enjoy the experience despite missing a good number of balls. AS should be trying to make you miss!

 

[thekleifheit13]

Great to hear that you are improving and having a blast! Would love to see some video footage

I have exactly the other problem with my backhand loop. I hit too much into the ball and if i try to brush it I can not get a good timing. It works against slow backspin shots but against topspins i can only counter hit.

Thanks, Boog! I will get video of drills soon, gameplay is still a shiteshow and not worth taping right now trust me though, you're better off countering. I would rather hit 9 nice shots out of 10 than hit 1 brilliant backhand and miss the next 100!

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I am a bit confused about some things. Perhaps they can be cleared up for me.

What caused Archo to realize he needed a racket with rubbers that could grab the ball instead of that recreational thing with rubbers with grip like ice? Was what I did really bullying? Or did I help him out in the long run?

Way back when Archo was telling slimjimmi that his spaghetti legs footwork was terrible and he needed to work on it so he could be more like Ma Long, was it really bullying that some people like me felt the need to let Archo know just how darn good slimjimmi actually is? Or was that something that helped him out in the long run?

Let me think, was getting Archo to understand that DrPaco was higher level than him rather than lower level than him really a bad thing? Was it a bad thing to help Archo know that he was not the same level as StrangeLoop but that StrangeLoop was actually was at a pretty decently higher level?

When you walk into a REAL club, see everyone playing and think you are better than all of them, only to have a dose of reality handed to you, the experience of feeling the ball quality of a higher level player ultimately is a first step in improving: to know you've never felt that before and definitely have not produced it, even if you thought you LOOKED better than the guy who is spinning the hell out of the ball--that CAN actually, in point of fact, help someone learn that there are things that are real that they can work on and improve.

Was helping Archo realize he was not brushing the ball and was instead flat hitting bad for Archo? Was that bullying? Or did it help him realize a few things he could work on and improve?

Would the forum be a better place if nobody had actually gotten Archo in check and helped him realize he could not pull the kind of things he does really like to pull?

Well, now I know. Archo, you can go back to saying anything you want. When it is crazy stuff that is out of line, and you are telling people to swing from the shoulder for extra force, I am not going to bother asking where you got your info from.

And the goon squad, the Philly Mob, the NYC Mafia....it is funny....I didn't know those were bad names other people used to characterize my behavior.

I thought Der_Echte and I came up with those and used them for a whole host of reasons including trying to get people to be cautious about trying to buy expensive counterfeit products parading themselves around as Jun Mizutani's personal Tenergy 05 (oh wait, JM doesn't use T05) or Ma Long's Personal Skyline 3 National Blue Sponge (oh, wait ML uses H3 not TG3).

I thought we used the goon squad in various ways pretending we fought and captured them. Set traps for them or, actually were them when we went to cause trouble at a TT club.

But I guess I'm wrong. I wasn't part of making up the goon squad and never realized it was about me being a bully. Oh well. Darn it. Foiled again. I'll have to go back to the secret hideout and find new people to bully.

By the way, a piece of info: when Archo posted that he had done the hook serve spaz thingy shown in the WHenzel video, Shuki and I both posted almost identical perspectives in reaction to Archo. I didn't see Shuki's post till after I posted. He couldn't have seen mine because mine was posted a few minutes after his. So it was not actually that we were ganging up. But independently, we both had the same reaction. I wonder why that may have been. Hmmmm.....Food for thought....


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[NextLevel]

A story for you, SchemeSC. There is a guy who I played a lot who is now in college. He plays a lot of players there. One of his opponents is a really powerful 2000+ (probably over 2100 but rating not fully caught up yet) looper. When the college guy pushes or spins a straight ball to the power looper, he doesn't see the return. When he pushes with sidespin or dinks weird balls, the powerlooper does not know how to adjust his stroke and misses the ball repeatedly.

Moral of the story: beware of thinking you can loop if you are only looping one kind of spin all the time, this game is played at light speed, and you need backup technique for all kinds of balls.

 

[Der_Echte]

There is a growing crowd ready to take away Carl's Spy Phone... and replace it with that lame COMMUNICATOR from Star Trek. Carl wouldn't leave NYC... UNLESS... he got paid, well, I might make a separate return to NYC if there are enough sales in it or there is a tourney I never did that lines up with the right holiday, or there are enough sales of blades/rubbers in it. Maybe we could get the CEO to fight the Goon Squad with us.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I did not leave out "important" parts , I just don't consider it important enough to remember because I know very well what you do and why you do what you do ... here is what you said in the PM ...


"I don't want to start a ruckus on the chit chat thread over something stupid, but why do you seriously need to shitpost like you just did?


You know you're gonna get likes and replies from everyone and derail the discussion with your post, and you know you're just doing it so people respond to you. It makes me upset to see this kind of posting from the people who tell me to stop this kind of posting.


I hope you understand my view. If you think I'm wrong, you can reply to me here and explain."

and here was my reply

"I called it as I saw it"

since , you are publicly calling me out , let me say publicly what I feel about you ... you are dishonest and you are a liar and you have too much time on your hand to construct your lies conveniently to frame others and try to paint yourself as the innocent deer caught in headlights. Here since you see a couple of folks are trying to defend you, you are conveniently behaving like the one who has been wronged against.

In this particular case you were upto your tricks, trying to get into the discussion by first asking why it happens and then saying oh I have done it several times and I did not know it happens because of this but knowing this I am sure I am on the right track. When I called out your attention seeking behavior you decided to pile your lies on me.

Okay. Just making sure people get what monster is actually saying. Because I think he is making a good point. I believe part of what monster is saying is that Archo does stuff like the PM he sent monster and lots of other stuff that he does is because Archo wants attention. And based on what monster's post said, Archo's PM sounds a bit out there.

By the way, since I didn't bring up what Archo did to monster, I am wondering if anyone has any memory of any of the stuff Archo said about monster's stroke when monster posted video footage? Well, anyone aside from NextLevel, monster and me.

And the footage of monster looked pretty impressive to me. The technique is darn good, feet, stroke, movement, hips.