Anyone have a sneak peak of Glayzer yet?

[Zwill]

What is G09c hardness on ESN scale?
My impression was that it is slightly softer than Dignics, which is 55. So is G09c like 53 or 52?

According to actual measurements D09c topsheet is 51deg shore C and the 44 deg spring sponge x is 49deg shore C.

Closest thing to this is Bluegrip C1 with about 50deg on both topsheet and sponge and Omega 7 China Ying at 50-50deg too. So I would rate D09c at 60 deg on ESN scale.

However, if you play with these Dignics 09c feels softer so this is a problem with these scales they measure something but properly you should measure hardness with 40mm radius tool and not with a "ballpoint pen" to get a closer feel how a ball would compress on the sheet.

I think you are right in assuming that G09c will be close to a 53 deg ESN rubber like the Tibhar K3 for example. And boy is ESN in deep shit if it is similar to that. That is their flagship rubber being contested with a mid-tier BTY rubber...?

Ps: according to shore C measurements Dignics 05 topsheet is 50deg and the sponge is 48deg so barely softer than D09c. This is very confusing since according to Butterfly the D05 should be quite a bit softer than D09c.

 

[JediJesseS]

The issue is that they measure the hardness of the sponge (itself an imperfect measurement), but nothing to do with the hardness or the pip structure of the top sheet which is a lot of the "feel" of a rubber. All these variables are interacting with each other in different ways to make up the whole of the subjective feel and performance.

 

[IB66]

So, I’ve played twice with G09C (FH) and Glazer (BH)
Yesterday I played a league match, won 2 and lost 1, so it was straight in at the deep end with a new set up!!! I haven’t been playing particularly well since Xmas, and was pleased to pick up the 2 wins!!
Tonight we had a 2 hour match play session, 2 groups of 6 players. Play games for 15 mins then swap opponent, so you get to play everyone in your group, then ’Mingle’ with players from the other group. I was in the lower standard/level group, local league standard, the higher level group is premier local league players, that also play in tournaments fairly regularly. 1 player recently took the scalp of a guy ranked 15 or 16 in England Vetts. So these players can play a bit!!

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS IS A PERSONAL OPINION. I HAVE POSTED MATCHES ON THE ‘How did I win or lose a match thread’ MY LEVEL OF PLAY IS INTERMEDIATE, AS NL LIKE TO SAY ‘adult learner’!!! REGULARS ON THE FORUM WILL KNOW MY LEVEL

There was not much to get use to really, I don’t mean that in a bad way!!! I’ve played with quite a lot of different rubbers over the last 3 - 4 years, especially during the COVID lockdowns. I got what I was expecting in general terms.

G09C
I haven’t got D09C for a direct comparison, last time I used it was about 2yrs ago.
I would say that G09C is a little slower, slightly less bouncy than D09C, G09C is therefore a tad easier for me to control.
looping / loop drives felt much better with G09C, I remember playing with D09C and thinking “I’m not really feeling that I am looping well”
Spin production is high, as good as D09C.
Short game was good, easy control of low input pushes, the spring sponge x does kick in a bit (but not as much as Glazer) when you put more force into longer pushes, so care is still needed, which is typical of these spring sponges.
Serving was good, spin variation easy.
Didn’t do much blocking with FH!!!
open ups v back spin good

Glazer
Pretty much the same story if compared to T05!!!!!
BH top spin was nice, open ups v backspin spinny. Pushes a little more care is needed, spring sponge x is more noticeable because of the lack of (what little) tackiness G09C has!!!

If you were looking for a more comprehensive write up on these rubbers. Well sorry, but there is no need to.

Higher level players will notice the differences between G09C/D09C Glazer/T05 more than myself. BUT for their bucks, they may opt for the cheaper option ??!!

If you use D09C or T05 (Tenergy series and Dignics series in general) and are an intermediate level, league player, I feel that G09C and Glazer COULD play better than D09C / T05 for you. At a MUCH CHEAPER PRICE POINT.
If the durability is as good as D09C / T05, and knowing Butterfly, it is likely this will be the case.

So, I paid €44,( it’s listed at £44 in UK)
Dignics is €/£ 79.99
Tenergy €/£ 59.99

a sheet of Glazer / G09C is about 55% of the price of Dignics (45% cheaper) and about 73% the price of Tenergy (27% cheaper)
Does G09C / Glazer have a drop in performance of 45% compared to Dignics?? NO, NO NO no f*****g way!!!
Does G09C / Glazer have a drop in performance of 27% compared to Tenergy?? NO NO NO no f*****g way!!!

Glazer series is a Bargain, pure and simple.

 

[ersthwil]

Been playing with G09c for a couple weeks now on my backhand. Feels easier to access than D09c and Dragon Grip. Feels like I get more spin than Vega X, close to DG/D09c (been ~4 months since I've played with DG and ~7-9 months since I've tried D09c). Yeah, it's not particularly fast but I feel like I've got plenty of security. Maybe much better players will have complaints, but it's cheaper than even Tenergy but much more controlled and spin-wise, on par/better over the table.

 

[Jackcerry_]

I played glayzer09c for 2 days and today I’m recording a video review. I love this rubber, slow on slow shots and accelerate a lot if you play hard the ball (more than a mxp or a tenergy05). Beast at counterloop, awesome spin on services, great to keep the ball short in service receive. It’s very slow at blocking so I have to adapt a lot, but you won’t make unforced errors at blocking.
A downside I noticed is that I think it’s very sensitive to spin during the service receive, but it’s possibile to keep the ball very short so I need to adapt to this, it’s just different than using an Mxp. I need to adapt too when I serve, the ball stays very short so I need to adapt the right length of my services.
Feeling is way softer than dignics09c, and way easier to engage the sponge (I think engaging the sponge of dignics09c is very hard, I usually play evolution mxp)

 

[thomas.pong]

I bought Glzr in red and G09C in black 2 or so weeks ago, both in 1.9mm, haven't had a chance to glue them yet, but I think I'm going to exchange both for each in 2.1mm red. I have a feeling 1.9 won't be enough for me, also that G09C wouldn't replace H3 as my FH rubber anyway so I might as well get it in red and try it for my BH.

I'll likely boost both with 1 layer of FTL before gluing.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I bought Glzr in red and G09C in black 2 or so weeks ago, both in 1.9mm, haven't had a chance to glue them yet, but I think I'm going to exchange both for each in 2.1mm red. I have a feeling 1.9 won't be enough for me, also that G09C wouldn't replace H3 as my FH rubber anyway so I might as well get it in red and try it for my BH.

I'll likely boost both with 1 layer of FTL before gluing.

Why not the stronger seamoon?

 

[thomas.pong]

Why not the stronger seamoon?

Too harsh on porous sponges.

I use Seamoon for Chinese sponges.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Too harsh on porous sponges.

I use Seamoon for cake sponges.

Whats cake sponge? I thought cake sponge meant porous like a cake

 

[Jackcerry_]

Anyone know exactly what is the hardness of Dignics09c,Glayzer09c,Dignics05 and Glayzer05 on ESN scale?

 

[jk1980]

Iirc it was like d09c 54°, g09c 52°

 

[Mionixxd]

It's really funny but around here Glayzer got a lower price than Rozena and Aibiss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

in sweden glayzer and aibiss is the same price, and rozena is cheaper. 39 euro for rozena and 55 euro for aibiss and glayzer.

 

[Jackcerry_]

Been playing with G09c for a couple weeks now on my backhand. Feels easier to access than D09c and Dragon Grip. Feels like I get more spin than Vega X, close to DG/D09c (been ~4 months since I've played with DG and ~7-9 months since I've tried D09c). Yeah, it's not particularly fast but I feel like I've got plenty of security. Maybe much better players will have complaints, but it's cheaper than even Tenergy but much more controlled and spin-wise, on par/better over the table.

How is the tackiness after 2-3 weeks?

 

[thomas.pong]

Whats cake sponge? I thought cake sponge meant porous like a cake

Typed too quickly, porous = cake sponge indeed

 

[TensorBackhand]

Typed too quickly, porous = cake sponge indeed

Does the Falco booster make the ESN rubbers perform better?

I tried Seamoon on ESN sponges a few times, and I don't see any damage or benefit.

 

[thomas.pong]

Does the Falco booster make the ESN rubbers perform better?

I tried Seamoon on ESN sponges a few times, and I don't see any damage or benefit.

I haven't tried it on German ESN's but 1 layer of FTL on Fastarc G-1 or Rakza 7 is quite nice, you get a nicer feel and they perform a bit better.

 

[ersthwil]

How is the tackiness after 2-3 weeks?

Mmm, might feel just a teeny bit tacky if you clean the rubber well? Won't pick up a ball for any meaningful amount of time though.

After 3ish weeks, I'm pretty happy with G09c. It's cheaper than D09c, does what I need it to, feels pretty darn grippy/spinny, packs a punch if I accelerate. My coach noted that my backhand (where I have it) has more pace and power, and it's quite confidence-inspiring the more power you put in. Let my coach try it out and he seemed to really like it as well.

We still need to wait and see how durability holds up, but if it lasts as long as Tenergy, I don't see myself moving on to something else until I feel I can actually utilize D05/D09c.

 

[Jackcerry_]

I finally made a video about the Glayzer series, please activate the English subtitles!
In the video you can find:
- a Glayzer09c and Glayzer05 test and review,
- a comparison between Glayzer05 and Rozena,
- a comparison between Dignics09c and Glayzer09c,
- a comparison between boosted and unboosted Glayzer09c

I hope you will enjoy the video!
From now on I’m using officially the Glayzer09c on my forehand, my previous rubber was Tibhar MXP Evolution

 

[Creek]

Great review and skills ☺️

 

[Wrighty67]

Just a quick check in as I have now had a first hit with Glayzer on my Korbel SK7. I played about 3h including some singles club matches and doubles. I am primarily comparing to my regular setup of Xiom off s (a bit softer than the SK7) and Rozena (also 2 deg softer)

I liked the Glayzer a lot - in short I would say it felt somewhere around halfway between Rozena and Dignics 05 in speed and ease of generating power. It certainly requires a little more effort to generate power, but it rewards with more penetration and speed. Spin was very good and it felt closer to D05 in spin than to Rozena, which was great as that is the one area I feel Rozena could offer more. It feels somewhere between med and hard but nothing like D05 to me (which I struggle to play well with in matches)

I would also add that it felt like it had a slightly lower and more direct throw than Rozena.

I didn't feel any less controlled and the transition was not difficult - my BH was more consistent and my FH slightly less so for some reason.

Early days so take this with a pinch of salt, but for my level this seems like a good rubber.