Which Hurricane 3 version?

[John_]

why you so lazy man
go search

When you give me proof of your claims that DHS makes hurricane 3 rubbers that are not really hurricane 3 rubbers for the pros - then maybe I will take you serious

I still remember when someone asked a DHS staff about a purple sponge DHS rubber he saw
The DHS staff replied - you gotta show me, so I can learn something today, I haven't seen one in the office.

Read ping sunday, and other coaches blogs, and use your brain. That's how we learn about dhs since they never say a word about anything, they're not butterfly or donic, they're chinese idiots where secrecy is in their blood.

 

[Jslick89]

People don't want the tack any more, so for a while now, H3 tack is good to use after just warming it up.

Before, when the tack was stronger, one would want to have it 3 to 5 days before a tournament.
Now, you can change 1 day prior, it is okay
The QC has improved too

It is actually very common to glue 1 day prior to tournaments now (or 2 day - depending when you arrive)
since for pros, some rubbers only last 1 week (during competition play)

Hey Tony i just switched to DHS Hurricane NEO3...so ive only known the less tacky version. it still feels pretty grippy to me. i am able to pick up the ball for like a split second with the rubber and lift it up off the table.

why do people want less tack now? because the tackiness slows down the speed of the ball? i'm mostly just curious.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Read ping sunday, and other coaches blogs, and use your brain. That's how we learn about dhs since they never say a word about anything, they're not butterfly or donic, they're chinese idiots where secrecy is in their blood.

ping sunday?? haha
you and michael zhang can become goooood friends

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Hey Tony i just switched to DHS Hurricane NEO3...so ive only known the less tacky version. it still feels pretty grippy to me. i am able to pick up the ball for like a split second with the rubber and lift it up off the table.

why do people want less tack now? because the tackiness slows down the speed of the ball? i'm mostly just curious.

ball is bigger, one needs more power
before the smaller balls are faster
so I don't really understand why so many people in the amateur space wants to stick the ball for a 10 or 30 seconds.

the stick there was because back then, the technology in the sponge wasn't mature enough and relied on the topsheet way more.
Now the sponge is way better (if not the best out there), so there is both a very good top sheet that grips the ball and a very good sponge that can eat into the ball- no brand can match the performance of a H3 #22, and everyone is trying to copy it, both Chinese and non Chinese brands.

so, all I can say is, time has changed and many people still think a super sticky topsheet is the "best" today.... beats me

 

[ben1229]

No one notice the difference of the second jump of the ball land by the os and bs?

 

[John_]

Hey Tony i just switched to DHS Hurricane NEO3...so ive only known the less tacky version. it still feels pretty grippy to me. i am able to pick up the ball for like a split second with the rubber and lift it up off the table.

why do people want less tack now? because the tackiness slows down the speed of the ball? i'm mostly just curious.

From what I understand, tony doesn't understand what a chinese rubber's advantages are. It's absurd to suggest that less tacky rubbers are better for the new ball since the rotation has been killed with the 40+. It's the reason every manufacturer has been making hybrids, even butterfly for fucks sake.

Tacky rubbers are much safer than grip based rubbers in every situation, even Timo uses d09c, TIMO OF ALL PEOPLE. More tackiness allows for more time on the ball resulting in a more consistent and even contact. Comparing a hurricane to a tenergy 7 years ago would be an even match. Nowadays the hurricane is edging above because it doesn't have any disadvantages.

The hurricane doesn't have an extreme catapult that minimizes your time with the ball, that's tenergy. Hurricane doesn't require a quick and crisp contact to make a basic topspin, if you carry the ball with the hurricane, you can make the simplest of topspins. Do the same with the tenergy and the ball will dig a hole in the net.

And another thing, my h3 classic holds the ball for about 10-15 seconds, it was the same with my neo. My teammates hurricanes are all like this, mine is one of the least tacky in the club, I can't see how you guys have such bad luck to where your rubbers can't hold the ball for even a second. Yeah the new ones are less tacky, and the old ones could hold the ball for a literal minute, but a second is just insane!

The h3 should be very tacky, there's no excuse for the neo to have such little tackiness, do you clean it after every practice? Maybe boosting with some national white could do good things for the rubber, hell, I've had some good results with boosting the top sheet with olive oil, it makes the rubber tacky again. Just don't use sunflower or seed oil, for some reason the only that worked was very little olive oil. And after that, expect premature separation of the top sheet and sponge.

 

[Der_Echte]

@Jslick89 should drop what he is doing and immediately report to Sergey the Tsos, who is a national expert on this stuff and just happens to live in his area.

 

[John_]

Brand new prov Hurricane 3 Neo bs could only hold the ball for 2 seconds

Question,
(talking for the commercial versions)

If you buy a brand new classic H3 and a NEO H3 in 2023, will they have the same tackiness?

If you compare them to a classic h3 and a neo from 7 years ago, would they have less tackiness?
(obviously if you could compare them to when they were new)

What I'm trying to say, is the difference in tackiness between the 2 versions (classic and neo), meaning that the classic is more tacky than the NEO?

Or is it that the Hurricane 3 versions nowadays are less tacky in general?

That's what I don't understand...

 

[TensorBackhand]

Nice, I can't handle the 42, too hard, even with 3 layers.

wow, where did you buy the 42d?

Is it the Ma Long signature forehand rubber? Is it slow after 3 layers?

 

[John_]

wow, where did you buy the 42d?

Is it the Ma Long signature forehand rubber? Is it slow after 3 layers?

I think I've seen them on aliexpress marketed as fan zhendong hurricane 3 national, a marketing trick for sure, most likely fake, but it should be a normal hurricane just harder

 

[TensorBackhand]

I think I've seen them on aliexpress marketed as fan zhendong hurricane 3 national, a marketing trick for sure, most likely fake, but it should be a normal hurricane just harder

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805038828365.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.17.743d215dU2MYtl&algo_pvid=0449272b-107d-4878-8526-04394458024e&algo_exp_id=0449272b-107d-4878-8526-04394458024e-8&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21132.07%2189.81%21%21%21962.63%21%21%402101d8b516992255991348889efc5b%2112000033473391169%21sea%21US%211644340096%21&curPageLogUid=VzuMOVGXp6w9

I see here that both FZD and WCQ fh rubber is listed as 41.5

ML and LJK are listed as 42d. So are these 2 rubbers identical to each other? or is there something else specific to ML or LJK?

 

[Der_Echte]

You do a cleaning with lemon juice/olive oil... then make topsheet moist (like breathing in it heavily), place a protective plastic sheet on it overnight... when you peel that sucka off the next day, it will be pretty damned tacky.

 

[ben1229]

wow, where did you buy the 42d?

Is it the Ma Long signature forehand rubber? Is it slow after 3 layers?

Not ma Long, Lin gao Yuan Korea open version, too hard to hit thru from an inner alc, I have Chen meng one on zlc, pretty easy to hit thru and activate the carbon. 42 not for me.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Not ma Long, Lin gao Yuan Korea open version, too hard to hit thru from an inner alc, I have Chen meng one on zlc, pretty easy to hit thru and activate the carbon. 42 not for me.

How is the LGY version different from ML 42d?

Chen Meng version is 40d?

 

[ben1229]

How is the LGY version different from ML 42d?

Chen Meng version is 40d?

Don't have a chance to try malong one, lgy 42, Chen meng 40.5. and the malong version you said I think you meant the star version, not the player version, they are different.

 

[Fantastic_Muffin_D]

My WCQ rubber sticks the ball for 4-5 seconds after boosting, that's enough I think. A bunch of stickiness only slow the shots down (I also experiences this thing when using D09C both sides, depends on the tackiness of the rubber, which one is less tackier, that's mean older, I will use for the backhand and tackier one for the forehand, since in backhand I need my rubber shoot it faster for the BH-BH exchange and for the FH I need it more carrying so that I could take the ball more later after the bounce).
Someone will think all spinny shot are better but no, after 3 or 4 shots the opponents gonna adjust with your spin and smash or counter the hell out of your slow spinny one. We just need mainly the grippy characteristics of the rubber, tacky will help dealing in the short game and or addition a little bit more into grippiness, and then we vary our shot based on the situation. Tackiness in the short game is a hack, and it's also help dealing with half-long serves (which you will need a little bit more grippy in thin contact). I agree with the new trend of H3 from DHS, and would love to continue to use it, the game's trend is getting faster and faster. I have used like 5 H3 sheet since I started with chinese rubber, all blue sponge, boosting many times and never met a problem about it degrades or bubble (I use Kai-Lin). The only problem is after reboost the 4rd times, I feel like it isn't hard any more and become too much squishy for me and my shot become less power (the kick when you carry the ball and shoot it), that's when I will get a new sheet.

 

[John_]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805038828365.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.17.743d215dU2MYtl&algo_pvid=0449272b-107d-4878-8526-04394458024e&algo_exp_id=0449272b-107d-4878-8526-04394458024e-8&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21132.07%2189.81%21%21%21962.63%21%21%402101d8b516992255991348889efc5b%2112000033473391169%21sea%21US%211644340096%21&curPageLogUid=VzuMOVGXp6w9

I see here that both FZD and WCQ fh rubber is listed as 41.5

ML and LJK are listed as 42d. So are these 2 rubbers identical to each other? or is there something else specific to ML or LJK?

I don't know, I suppose it's only for marketing, but it could have different tuning.

40 degrees is pretty hard to use, 42 would be impossible. If you want to play well, then the best choice is getting a blue sponge provincial and boosting it yourself.

Personally I find myself going between 39 and 40 without booster. If you want to build a replica or you just really want to buy it because they are your favourite players, go for it, go wild, have fun!

 

[TensorBackhand]

I don't know, I suppose it's only for marketing, but it could have different tuning.

40 degrees is pretty hard to use, 42 would be impossible. If you want to play well, then the best choice is getting a blue sponge provincial and boosting it yourself.

Personally I find myself going between 39 and 40 without booster. If you want to build a replica or you just really want to buy it because they are your favourite players, go for it, go wild, have fun!

I just wonder if there is any difference between the CNT 40d blue sponge and the regular national 40d bs.

Is there anything specifically different about the player version?

 

[SFF_lib]

Not ma Long, Lin gao Yuan Korea open version, too hard to hit thru from an inner alc, I have Chen meng one on zlc, pretty easy to hit thru and activate the carbon. 42 not for me.

Have you used regular or provincial H3? Is your LGY H3 much tackier?

 

[ben1229]

Have you used regular or provincial H3? Is your LGY H3 much tackier?

Not really, same as the h3 N version, rubber and sponge a little different, tackiness I think they are just very similar neo version. Not like the old H3 .